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  1. Hi Greasespotters! Dr. Rawlings birthed all 3 of our babies at St. Margaret's Hospital in Hammond, IN. 1979, 1982, and 1984. Our first was the first baby delivered in the pre-runner to what was to become the Birthing Center named after her at St. Margaret's. We never left the labor room for the delivery room. We did it all right there in the bed in the labor room. Doc was there the whole time for each of our births. We were immediately discharged when Lori and babies were rested, and spent a week at Dr. Rawlins' House after each birth. Seymour and Gloria Leven went up to Hammond when they graduated from the family corpse to run a "Medical WOW" twig. There were several corpse grads who worked with her as RNs, Nursing Assistants, a Nurse Midwife, receptionists, secretaries, etc. Mark and Ann Carli (6th corpse grads) were also a part of that medical thang, as Mark was at La Salle Univ in Valparaiso, IN, finishing up his PhD in Clinical Psychology. He was working closely with Seymour in the pre-cursor of what eventually became Couselling Services of OH, in Troy, OH from 1983-1985. They were doing "covert" professional psychiatric and psychological counseling for mostly the wives of "top leadership" in TWIt, many of whom were suffering from Clinical Depression, Bipolar Disorders, and a lot of Anxiety/Panic Attack associated with Major Depressive disorders. I began referring corpse spouses from the Midwest Region first, and then from all over the US Twunk. The support for this whole medical outreach and counseling thing was Don Wierwille, the ONLY genuinely EDUCATED member ever on the TWIt BOT until Rose-a-lie became VP as part of the settlement of the Allen Lawsuit. When they shitcanned da Forehead, Rosie became prez, and Don died of lung cancer in 2001, I think. That's how Rosie became the big Kahuna of TWIt. The "secularization" of TWIt's "spiritual counseling" by "a Jew shrink", approved and supported by Don, and the reliance upon "sense knowledge degrees and certificates" instead of Da woid and da corpse principles dictor taught us(sic!), "contributed greatly" to the "entire US Twunk" being seduced by the dark side, according to Crazy Chris and POP. But, what really happened was that, the epidemic of mental illness and acute depressive disorders widespread amongst the way corpse worldwide, was exposed AND documented. More importantly it was PROTECTED from TWIt interference because it was founded and run by REAL Doctors, and legally protected patient privacy, and privileged information from being communicated back to the BOTs. But, counseling services of OH digresses from the topic here. Doc Rawlins was a beloved "hero" in the Natural Childbirth "movement" as well as one of the most influential folks in the formation and expansion of the La Leche League. When she retired, she received the third of three large jars, each filled with 10,000 beebees representing the just over 30,000 childbirths she had attended in her career! That's a fairly good-sized city! She was well-known Nationally and Internationally for her pioneering work in natural childbirth and breastfeeding, and her birthing center. She was a titan in her field. She was a friend. As to why she was so dedicated to TWIt'n'Vic: Her firstborn child, Craig, was very much like his mother. Extremely bright, personable, and dedicated. His plan was to go to Medical School for OB/GYN and join his Mom in her very busy practice. But, he decided to go WOW first. He was the first in the Rawlins family to take piffle and he was the "star" of the family, as well as the apple of his mother's eye. Everybody loved him. Craig received special permission from dictor to visit his mom while he was on the WOW field. I forget what the occasion was, but on that drive back to Hammond, IN, Craig was killed in a car crash. Carolyn was devastated, as was her entire family, and everyone who had known Craig. Carolyn almost lost it, but dictor brought her to HQ, helped with the memorial and funeral (all at TWIt expense) and hooked her up with Seymour and Gloria who were in-Rez at Rome City. She spent lots of time there at Kneipp Springs, and her closeness to Seymour/Gloria as well as with Dr. Chris and Mary Boulange, who were also in-residence family corpse, was a critical support for her. This was where the Medical Outreach Area in Hammond idea was birthed and staffed. Carolyn was extremely indebted to dictor for all he did for her and her family during the biggest crisis and hurt of her life. And, she loved the Levens as "equals". She so loved Rome City, that when she retired, she bought a cabin on Sylvan Lake in RC, where she fished and ministered to wayfers from all over the world. She loved her cigarettes and her scotch-and-milk, and she was usually humming a tune all day. She loved life. And, since dictor was so integral in helping her accept and survive the traumatic death of her son, and TWIt gave her the perfect place to teach and continue her pioneering work, she was faithful to TWIt until Dotsie was institutionalized by her son Don, in St.Mary's. Regarding her "New Life" class, she was totally qualified, one of the tops in her field, to teach that. She was so very knowledgable and her personable engaging teaching style made her an entertaining lecturer. She, like everyone else in TWIt, was a shiny, valuable, reputable distraction from dic's con. She was worth special attention and patronization because she had $$, great reputation and acknowledgement in her profession, and she loved her Lord Jesus Christ. I am so glad I can tell my kids that a genuine legend attended each of their births. Their very first external touch was from a truly great lady. She will be long-remembered and sorely missed. Thanks for reading.
    4 points
  2. Thanks chockfull. You did not offend me at all, bro! I'm just a real picky fella when it comes to TWIt'n'Vic history. I know you meant no offense. POP was first read by the BOTs at WIBAP in Nashville, last weekend in March, 1986. Geer's instructions to them were to read it, then sign it to acknowledge they had read the entire thing. Then, they were to show it to me, as a "witness"'that they had indeed read it. I had no plans to attend WIBAP that year. However, I received a phone call from Howard the Tuesday before, telling me that they had booked my flights and a room in Nashville, and gave me a teaching slot. Little did I know what the real reason was! On the Saturday evening of WIBAP, da Forehead came to my door and handed me the only copy of POP there was in the USA, asked me to read it, and then get back to them immediately. Do not show it to, or discuss it with ANYONE. The original copy had the signatures of all 3 BOTS on the cover page with a short note from each. I remember them vividly because they were in 3 different colors of ink. Da Forehead blue, Don black, and Howard red. On Sunday as I was leaving, Howard told me that I'd be receiving further instructions from Geer, and plan on being at HQ in April, probably for at least 3 weeks! In April, 1986, Geer read POP at a specially called leaders' meeting which included all the limp and region coords, all the Campus coordinators and staff from every root locale, and all the corpse and staff at HQ. Immediately after reading it, Geer announced the addition of Townsend and Caballero to the BOTs, and then revealed who was to be in the yuk twig and why. He said that the members of that twig and their reason for being in it, were dictated to him by dictor himself. From that day on, I was at HQ, while my family was in MA. I went back to MA in late July, 1986 to make the move to HQ. Then I was at HQ until 12/14/1986, when we left. During that time, the yuk twig met 2-3 hours a day, EVERY single day. Some times the meetings lasted 12-14 hours! They often featured telexes from geer in Scotland with "instructions by revelation" on what we were supposed to be doing. During that time my "assignment" was Corpse Director (replacing da Forehead), In-Rez corpse coord at HQ, and "oversight" of the US Trunk as "necessary". Duke Clarke was the trunk coord at the time. The Fog Years began in April, 1985, and "ended" with the November 1988 or 89 letter from geer to the BOTs separating himself from the BOTs because of their "refusal to do the word and live the corpse principles", and refusing to change. That's here in the archives too. That preceded the "loyalty oath letter" in the beginning of the following March, either 1989 or 90. That's also here in the archives so we can check the dates. I was not booted. I resigned from everything after 10 days under "house arrest" in my trailer at HQ. All our belongings were stored and locked in the warehouse part of the OSC, to be shipped to us at a later date. Robert Belt resigned from the Southwest Region and TX limb at the end of December 1986.Tom Reahard came to my house from AZ on the weekend of 2/7-9/1987, because he was the Area Coord in Phoenix, AZ, and heard his limp and region coord, Dave Standage, announce that I was "born again of the wrong seed" and that's why I left the minus-try. Tom and I had become close friends in NY while he was at Cornell. He married Lori's best friend from Elmont, NY (Long Island), Barbara Paciano, and took the AC in Rye, NY, in March, 1972 with us. Lori and I went into the 4th corpse, and Tom and Barbara went into the 5th corpse after he graduated from Cornell. Tom grilled me all weekend and I showed him everything I had.....B.G.'s syllabus, Stiles' book side by side with RTHST, copies of the letters from the E&R church elders firing him with the reasons for it, notes and tapes from the yuk twig, etc. Tom also bought us furniture for the house since we had none. LOL! Tom returned to AZ & he resigned immediately. He called Pat Lynn (The Lynn's were limp coords in D.C.) and told her all about our weekend and told her she had to go to my house ASAP to hear what I had to say. Pat came the very next weekend, Valentine's Day weekend, and we had quite the time. That is when I had the joy of watching true, authentic repentance on her part, tearful, painful acceptance of the truth and the facts. She ended that weekend telling me, "You HAVE to get to John! If not, I'm leaving!" So arrangements were made by Rob Shipley (5th corpse) in MD, who got a large limp meeting with D.C. together, at which Pat, and Sue Pierce were in attendance. That was on Feb 21, 1987. John and Pat were still "full-time". So, I stayed at the D.C. limp home with Sue Pierce and that's when Sue and Pat came up with the idea of the letter. Pat called Tom, and he arranged and paid for the travel, rooms, and food at the local Holiday Inn in Alexandria, VA, where we spent a total of 5 days together, 3 of them writing the letter. That was 2/27/1987. After the Geer tape of 3/26/87, Howard went to the D.C. limp home on April Fool's Day, 1987, and fired John and Pat and everyone else who worked there. John and Pat were the only ones in the group who were fired. The rest of us resigned our positions, in December, '86, and February, '87. So, that's the chronology of the fawg years. The only things we need to lock in, are the dates of the Geer November letter which preceded the following March's loyalty oath letter. As I said, they're both in the archives here at GSC, so we'll be able to find them fairly easily. Thanks for reading, and.................peace.
    3 points
  3. Thanks DWBH....... Once again, I am amazed to see that ONE CRISIS in a person's life totally cements that person to a cult. Every dynamic of her life and her son's life was changed, because of his decision to go WOW first......rather than sticking to his plan to go to medical school for OB/GYN. Life happens right before our eyes. Each decision alters the next decision......and none of us have foresight. Even in reading this account, I am saddened to hear that Carolyn had to endure this pain of the death of her son, Craig. There it is again........the dynamic intricacies of "why someone stays in a cult".... Tragedy / Crisis / Death / Transition .......and a cult ensnares your allegiance a lifetime Emotion.......one of the biggest drivers of forming one's allegiance to another Now it makes more sense...........why she stayed in twi. Thanks.
    3 points
  4. Thanks for that YouTube by Bruce Gore, InfoAbsoprtion – I loved his fascinating little history lesson on how dispensationalism came to be such a dominating theological viewpoint in our culture…from Darby to Brooks to Scofield to Chafer and then with Hal Lindsey’s book “The Late Great Planet Earth” in 1970 which was so popular even folks who never showed much interest in the Bible latched onto the idea…Gore made some comment about Lindsey’s book – something like that’s when dispensationalism got out of the evangelical ghetto and into the bloodstream of Americans across the board. Pretty funny way of putting it – I got a kick out of that. His closing comments – though brief – were very powerful, in my humble opinion. In being a former dispensationalist, he talked about how that frame of thought can become a huge distraction – that there is nothing wrong with speculation but when it becomes an obsession it can overshadow the importance of Christ. With me being a big fan of the Gospels I tend to think he’s right. Skimming through “Introduction to Biblical Interpretation” by Klein, Blomberg, and Hubbard while I was listening to Gore (I was looking for the references to dispensationalism I had highlighted from previous readings) I found on page 335 something that may indeed show a dismissive mindset: Dispensationalists have traditionally reserved Jesus’ Kingdom ethic for the millennial age and have not found it directly relevant for Christians now. ‘nuff said.
    2 points
  5. Cool - I figured you'd fill in more facts. Not so sure about misstated when many details have a ? in back of them. So yes, the timeline on this I have straight now. Geer's Poop paper was 1986 Corpse Fellowship. Everyone was kind of staggering around after that. By 9 months later, you guys had already assimilated that letter, sent it out, then Geer responded with his assessment tape and since loyboy and coward were pretty much under his spell then, you guys all got booted. After that, the BOT's were still under his spell for another year, then they separated from Geer in 1988, and after that loyboy went on the attack. The loyalty letter was sent out 1988 summer and others who may have even quoted your letter saying "I stand with God and on the Word, not for or against anyone" got booted too. I didn't mean to offend you criticizing the writing of the paper. I never was a fan of the jallyroll writing style. His books always got on my nerves too. Like a too happy clown or something. That timeframe everyone was under what is termed "the Fog Years". Plenty of threads on that here at GS. Everyone was depressed, didn't know what to do or where to go or what was true. That's why it was termed "the Fog Years". So in the midst of all that fog is where this letter arose. You guys were confronting the BOT on being "off the Word". But here's the rub. Myself and most of everyone else had ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE that there was a perverted sexual swinger's club that was running the ministry at the time. So when the language was toned down perhaps from your original thoughts and intent, we didn't know about dictor's perversions. I honestly never knew about any of them until Waydale and GSC, other than what I was told by the party line in the Way after you guys left. Like I say, I was a young mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed bull.... Anyhoo, that's what the Who says "Talkin' Bout My Generation". I think accurately the fact that you guys sent out 7000 copies of that letter probably was a major contributor to the 4/5 Exodus from the Way that happened during that timeframe. I was the frigging remnant.
    2 points
  6. She's doing quite well, Grace. She has a fabulous relationship with her daughter and her family. She's still speaking out and she's an activist. She's a terrific lady imho.
    1 point
  7. I’ve been trying to find link between Darby and Bullinger as far as who came up with Dispensationalism first - so far all I found was this article Bullinger and Hyperdispensationalist however Wikipedia suggests it goes as far back as some Jewish circles / Dead Sea Scrolls Wikipedia on Dispensationalism
    1 point
  8. But, I thought we save people first? Give them The Word FIRST. We take care of their hearts, LATER.
    1 point
  9. I think you’re right DWBH. I never was a big fan of dispensationalism because for me it complicated scripture to the point where Jesus Christ’s ministry was “pigeonholed” into a specific timeframe and I shouldn’t think of him outside that. The whole “OT and gospels were for our learning thing” I guess I may be “oversimplifying” scripture nowadays by just thinking about it in terms of old covenant and new covenant. Nobody in the bible ever said anything more important than what Jesus Christ said/says. Beyond that my eyeballs start rolling around and I scratch my head a lot.
    1 point
  10. My first WOW year in Syracuse, NY.......we signed up Mark Leven for pfal. After that class, it wasn't long before his parents, Seymour and Gloria, saw the remarkable changes in his life and got involved in twi. What a chain of events............. What an intricate weaving we all added to this cult.........
    1 point
  11. DWBH, thanks for your post; I didn't know that she was so influential in the Medical Field.
    1 point
  12. Yes I'm sure we could - especially the part about the hardship imposed by the Way and leaving it.
    1 point
  13. A leisure suit and a neckerchief or something similar. Honestly, el barfo, even then.
    1 point
  14. D@mn. Perverting even the good on video with their twisted perspective.
    1 point
  15. The obituary states she retired and moved to NC with Chris and family in 1993. He is a WC grad, but not active WC, still involved with the Way who knows may still be. Thus evidence indicates she still maintained a connection with the Way throughout her life. It is possible she never knew of the things posted on here. Or didn't have enough first hand exposure to give them credence. I do not know Chris history and involvement. But this is what whitewashing does. It makes a new generation of people that don't know the truth.
    1 point
  16. DWBH, well shucks!! I hate being lied to; if people make mistakes, that is understandable. I have made a few myself. But, for years, and years, we ordinarily believers were told that everything in Way World, was all Moonlight and Roses, and it wasn't!! It was really S--t City! I knew when YOU left TWI at the end of 1986, something was really wrong, or else you would have stayed! I was devastated, because no one would say why you left; I knew that something in Denmark stunk. Years later, I happened upon the GSC, and started reading the posts. OMG!! I was so upset, that I cried. But then, I started writing posts myself; I just wanted others not to waste their time, and money on a sleazy cult!! DWBH, I find it interesting that of all the people in the inner circle of TWI, you are one of the very few that kept to Godly standards. In all my reading of TWI and it's leaders, I have yet to read where you f-over anyone, nor did you lie, cheat, or steal from anyone. It my opinion, you have been honest with us here at the GSC, and have shared with us information that many of us did not know. At times perhaps, it has been painful to do that, but I think we former TWI members need to know what you personally dealt with!! I can't .... believe what you personally had to deal with; it seems like something from a horror book!! DWBH, I don't drink, but sometimes I think if I knew what you knew about TWI, and VPW, I would get dang faced just to deal with it. God bless you Ralph, and I can never, never thank you enough for what you do here at the GSC!! Please continue with your posts; I love reading them. Bless you, and thank you!!
    1 point
  17. ....... ....... In what I observed and remember........Dr. Rawlins became involved in twi around 1976. Yes, she was an early supporter of wierwille/twi and her son, Chris, went into the corps program (if I recall correctly). But even then......Dr. Rawlins was heavily involved in her medical career and on the backside of a long, professional, reputable career wherein she'd impacted thousands of lives. She stood head-and-shoulders above the cult's agenda and drivel. Her distinguished career would have filled a wall of plaques and awards. She had ALREADY established a foundation, lifestyle and reputation before the cult..............yet, she got indoctrinated as well. From her perch and experiences, I would have thought that she'd see thru the deception and façade and exploitation of this cult before us young-bloods. Yet, she stayed.......thru the 90s, right? Even into the rivenbark era? Her example was so powerful that she led credibility to the cult........kinda like a Tom Cruise for Scientology.
    1 point
  18. Retired from that shizzle my brotha.....
    1 point
  19. OS, yes!! I think DWBH, Penworks, Sky, and some others would be great teachers for this "class."
    1 point
  20. Im pretty sure i could teach a segment or two. Id call it "Recovering From TWI: What and What Not To Do."
    1 point
  21. Amen JayDee!! Amen! And remember, HE WAS ALWAYS ABSENT IN TWIt, and remains so to this day! He is The Boss! il capo de capi tutti! The Boss of ALL bosses! To him EVERY knee shall bow one day. Even so, cone quickly Lord Jesus.
    1 point
  22. Howdy Grace Valerie Claire! Garth has passed away. FYI. I know you were most likely not aware of that. BTW, I am soooo glad that you dig through this site! The benefits to you personally, are quite obvious. I love your curiosity and determination to know the true FACTS! Thanks for your input and enthusiasm.
    1 point
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