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Hmmmm, I dunno, ex. What does it say about spoons? ;)--> I try to use a large, heavy baseball bat myself. Gets the job done quickly and then you can go out and play baseball. Okay, not so funny joke. Uh oh! Stalkers! With spoons! :D--> (what's not to like...!) :D--> :D--> In general, I'm not in favor of using implements of wood, leather, steel or brick for discipling children. Adults are big people. Children are little people. Teenagers are big, little people. My son knows who I am, I'm the Dad, the Man, the One. Pop. If I slugged him, it would break his heart and rip his life in two. He'd never expect it and I'd never do it. We're lovers not fighters! :D--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

All kids are so different. Our own have been wonderful, I love them both very much, but they're very different. Both are sensitive and thoughtful but my son is more easy going, and he lets go of things easy. My daughter is more sensitive. I've had to learn to deal with them in different ways. I still remember very vividly when my daughter was about 3 or so, and she was a bundle of happy joyful energy, always bright and happy. I never spanked her, ever. Her mom did, lightly at times, very quick attention getter kind of correction. Never "hard" as in THIS IS GONNA HURT ME MORE THAN IT DOES YOU. She was with her all day, and I wasn't. Anyway, one day she was being disobedient about something and I knelt down and took her hand and said "NO!" and she started to take off. I held her hand and gave it a light smack and repeated "No sweetie!" She looked at me and turned 5 shades of red and her eyes got huge and for a second I thought she was going to wail. But she just teared up and the corners of her mouth went down and she said okay and stood there and quietly cried looking at me like..."You...hit me....". I very nearly cried myself. That's all it took and for her it was lot. Kids. Children are like windows of glass, panes of clear clean glass that the light shines through. Handled carefully the glass ages well. Handled roughly, it gets smudged and dirty and even cracked or broken. I so looked forward to the birth of my son first and then my daughter I was very aware of how I wanted to handle them. But, like all parents, I've made my mistakes. Every child deserves the best for no other reason than they just do. We all do. Discipline and correction are necessary things for children of course. They're all little balls of foolish undirected energy. My part would be to say "gently, be gentle with the glass" and learn how that one special piece needs to be handled and do what's best for it. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Yikes! As for wooden spoons, to be honest, never used them and refused to support that approach. No one ever argued with us about it. My wife was involved with Way Children's fellowship for several years, and we never had any problems in our fellowhips with that. She tried to keep a close eye on how parents dealt with their kids. It's hard being a parent. Frustrating at times, and confusing at others. We found it best to try and be there for the parents and talk about stuff if they were at wits ends. I understood the logic of using an object rather than your hand, but I also saw it the other way. Hitting a child with an object just seemed medieval to me. Everyone going around with their wooden spoons sticking out of their back pockets. It just seemed rediculous. If that offends anyone who's found it successful and useful, sorry. Just my opinion. I know what the bible says about the rod of correction, and I'd use "it" very carefully if I was going to. Being prepped with something to whack a kid's hand or butt with just seems like you're to be expecting to use it. Wooden spoons work GREAT for stir frying vegatables though. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Love ya back. And actually, I've been good. I lied. ;)--> Honest. I've got a cool little book by George Mackie, a Scottish minister who lived in the middle east as a missionary, for many years. He has some exquisite things about shepherds. One is the close relationship that develops between sheep and shepherd. A flock learns to respond to him. Shepherds aren't weinies. They have to stand up to everything from wild animals to bandits who want to steal the flock and they often travel solo. When the rubber meets the road, the only thing between an attacker and the sheep is the shepherd and it doesn't sit well with the owner of the flock if he comes up short and loses any. The rod is used to guide the sheep and it's also a weapon against their enemies. If the shepherd dies on the field, it's usually alone and defending the flock. No shepherd who stays employed runs out on his flock. It's not an easy job, but they do it even to this day. Interestin'. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

I've been a bad boy! ;)--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

So true. Galen, TWI may have been a fledgling at abuse. My wife says we left before they had a chance to be really mean to us. (she's a very forgiving woman) I say, we left before I had a chance to be really mean to them. But that's just me. It was better to walk away. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

I'm sure that any praying for people to die, be "turned over to satan" or otherwise made in to unusable pork-product is done in private. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Aww, ex, you're a Good Mom. :)--> Kids need that. Adults too. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

IMF, :D--> :D--> :D--> The devil IS in the details! and I do remember that OJ skit, johniam. classic. Look where it got HIM!!! Garth, anything I can do to get that monitor clean is my pleasure! Exxee, I bet you're right. I agree in general, IMF. I firmly believe there's a difference between the trust and faith taught about in the bible and the Magic of Believing. Believing is obviously the base level tool we use to do anything, be it eat Ho-Ho's or use the right amount of toilet paper at the right time. It's when we mix it up with "unleashing the power of GAWD" in our lives that honest sweat equity turns into Weird Science and we start to sound like the screen test for Dumb and Dumber that got turned down because it was too real. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

This brings up an interesting question and it's serious, although it sounds not. Serious. When someone prays about a sports event, for the team of their choice to win, and the other to lose, does that fall under the same category as IMF is describing? Like the World Series. For someone to lose, it probably means their team is going to make some errors. Some pitcher's going to have his balls knocked out of the park. The seamed ones I mean. so somebody's got to lose. Really - then the pitcher gets dropped, loses his contract, heads for the minors 3 years later, turns into an abusive putz, wife leaves him, kids hate him, he becomes a drunk, and ends up in a flop house and one day gets hit by an Ice Cream Truck driven by a guy wearing a t-shirt bearing the name of the team he lost too in the Series and all of this happens before he can recover, write a book and have a talk show. Which adds serious insult to injury. If we pray that both teams play their 'best' but the bestest play be done by the team I support, is that right? Losing coach rants in locker room interview after the game, hits photographer, gets sued and ends up driving an Ice Cream truck, which he enjoys but the owner of the company has investments in the team he lost to and has all his vendors wear their T-Shirts. --> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

The 3 Stooges Go to the Moon...a film classic!!! Humor, social commentary (man's greatest technological achievement in his own hands, run amok)...chaos, food fights, eye poking, ear pulling. Aaaaah. It had it all! :)--> What can I say? I like "Abba" too. What's not to like? Euro-babes in knee boots. Oh yeah, the guys, I think there were some guys doing something too, maybe. :P--> Nyuk nyuk nyuk! In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Thanks backatya, Roy! ex10, he didn't do many of his better known songs. Some new stuff, other stuff. I don't know all his music that well. Opened with the Pretender. I like a lot of his rock-ier stuff, "Somebody's Baby", Running on Empty, World in Change. He didn't do much of that. His sound is so well developed with his style. It's like a combination of folk, rock and country. He had a couple great guitarists, one who really did some nice work that echoes David Lindley's lap steel stuff and a couple tunes where it sounded like he was referencing Roy Buchanan, sound for sound. Great player. Plus a backup female singer that was GREAT. She had one little solo spot at the end, my wife wanted to hear more of her. She really blended well with his voice. Overall, he was definitely doing a country-rock-alt sound that made me remember he was one of the guys who developed that whole sound and gathered musicians around him that made "it". :)--> He's aged well, although he looks like he could use a good night's sleep. :)--> Oh! The topic! I'm been trying to get going on 3 things in my personal study, this topic, the Return/End Times/Whatchacallit and morals and ethics in the bible. I've been reading Henri Bergsen's stuff for a few years and now kind of branching out. No plan, need one. :D--> But this idea of the gentile who does the law by conscience and Paul's comparison to the Jew who has the law but doesn't "do" it has me going on salvation in Jesus Christ. From a sort of mechanical view, salvation "fixes" one "problem", but how does it address others? How we think, act, decide, choose? Is there a natural inclination in the new nature to act and think a certain way? What effect does that have on me, my soul and personality? Is it entirely a matter of me choosing? The whole idea of the renewed mind seems to head that way. Another view I've read is sort of an "anti-renewed mind" (although not against personal choice) view, that the natural progression of a new life that starts with the new birth is to pursue God and Christ and that we actually have to "shut off" that impetus to ignore God. The spirit is constraining and compelling us one direction in other words and it's a deliberate and forced choice to NOT do that. But if we...go with the flow for want of a better phrase, we are led towards that "mind of Christ". Sounds vague, maybe on the topic. Dunno. I'm just thinking out loud. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Aaaaah. A CLASSIC! Is it a guy thing? Like the 3 Stooges? I love that movie. We're watching Austin City Limits here in an hour or so. Our local PBS is re-showing a Jackson Browne concert. LOVE ACL. Down your way! :D--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

"I knelt that night. I don't often kneel when I pray but that night I did and..." Well, love you too! :)--> Is this a teaching thread? Sorry, I can't resist beating a dead horse. :D--> Nothing to do with this thread. I'll settle down. Sorta. Not at all. Jump ahead. I'm the middle child. I get it coming and going! :D--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Thanks, sir! I've really been trying to go over the moral ground the bible presents. God so love "the world". Granted He doesn't love the enmity between Himself and mankind, but it's obvious He knew we were at worst an accident waiting to happen. Even if I view the biblical records as a filter, a way of recording things from our perspective only, "God" as written about appears to have offered choices - life is one choice after another. Wouldn't there have to be a means of making that choice between good and evil, right/wrong, Jesus/no Jesus? If we were absolutely empty of any ability to know right from wrong we'd never "learn", we'd only survive, maybe, and there'd be no way to recognize "light" or right. I read a piece that described that part in Romans 2 as the answer to the question "but what about the people in (BumFlock) who never hear about Jesus?" People will be judged at the base level of how they responded to that inner sense of right and wrong and how they lived. "Conscience". Interesting read. Can't find it now, it was in a series of online searches I was doing. It's not a new idea I guess. Don't beat me, ex10! I'll get on topic, promise! :D--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

dubble bubble post! [This message was edited by socks on February 21, 2004 at 21:11.]

Flipped up stuff on this thread! :)--> I hear ya, ex10. One little part of this that hits me when I read the gospels is how much the disciples loved Jesus and He loved them. They had a really close relationship. Almost extraordinary the way they hooked up and lived together, and kept coming back to one another. They struggled with what He taught, asked questions, argued about it all, had high expectations one minute, were scratching their heads the next and through it all there's that loving friendship growing and growing. It must have fried their brains, seeing Him riff with the Pharisees. Here these Starched Ones had hassled everyone all their lives and Jesus deals with them like their chopped liver. You can imagine the way they felt - as long as Jesus was on the case, 'sall good. The disciples seemed so distraught at the idea that he was leaving them, going somewhere. "Where?", "Can we come?", "Which one of us will be Top Dog when we're all together, y'know, later on?" He tells them don't worry, I'm going away but I'll send a Comforter. Why the comfort? A part of it had to be that the one they had loved and followed was leaving, and apparently before all the Big Plans came about. Their friend, leader, teacher, was going away. But the Comforter would come, He wouldn't leave them alone. And remember this............"I'll be BACK!" :)--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor [This message was edited by socks on February 21, 2004 at 3:14.]

Yes he did, corrydj. I was really impressed by Gibson's knowledge, candor and humanity. I normally don't like Sawyer, she always has that pained look like she sat on a pin and she seems to think that asking the same question 5 times is doing a 'tough interview'. But she let him answer his questions and let the answers stand. I think the toughest thing to see about Jesus's death is the fact that the crucifixion wasn't meant to be a bullet to the head and bye-bye. It was intended to be a horrifying and painful death. It's caused quite a stir. I've been curious about how Gibson came to making this movie, and why it became so important to him. Catholicism has always dealt with the graphic depiction of human suffering as a means to salvation. I was raised Catholic and in a way it doesn't surprise me that he'd focus on this given his religion. It's definitely causing discussion on Jesus and what his death means. I'll be watching how it unfolds closely, like a lot of people I'm sure. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Agreed, care for the age and maturity of the views is important. It might, it might. It always amazes me that people AREN'T shocked at the story of the crucifixion, even many Christians. Maybe some people read it and just flip to the next page. It might do some people good to wake up and think about what it says actually happened. Last year, "Hellraiser" ran on a network station, rerun in normal viewing hours. I wrote the station and told them they should have their licencse revoked. We definitely need to watch out for our kids. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Talkin' to me agin, are ya there Ala? :D--> (duck!) You're right. Mints. Cracked in half for easy consumption. Thanks A la. Tissues, too. Never know when I may need to blow my schnozz, figuratively speaking of course. Little cups of coffee. Sippin' glass. But keep in mind Way Webnad, this stuff doesn't bless me, it blesses you, I "hate" it, I just do it so you can be blessed. In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Here's my quarterly free advice for the Way website. I put it nicely in case it's someone's kid working on it. Can you peepul say "alt tags"? Google it, check it out, use it. Live it, be the alt tag. Never let it fall by the wayside. Don't just speak the alt, DO the alt. What's the benefit, ye ask? Take your mouse and place your cursor over my little dancing Calvin guy. GENTLY! He's a sensitive li'l guy. Hold it still for a sec. See what it says, Way Web Dude/Dudette? "Picture of socks"...!!!! That's not just for everyone who can't figure it out just by looking at it that it's a picture of socks, which might sound whacked but you're in the Way so we won't go there. But think, ponder, consider, the things you could do with that little alt tag thingie. Like for starters make your site COMPLY with accessibility standards for WEB SITES, ya binkie heads, just like everyone else in the known universe. Please...listen to me, web designer person.... You have the site sized for an 800 X 600 screen resolution. Good idea. But once you get out of the main page, every page is indented around the top and left hand side. And depending on how large a person sizes their browser window it's not straight and looks off. Do this: go to the body tag and add this line- leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" The page will fill the whole window then or at least look like it. Unless you like framing the whole thing in white which may be the case, but if you're going to do that then make all the pages including the homepage do that. Please? With cherries on top? Then get back to me via this board. We're just getting started. ;)--> And don't say I never gave you anything! (P.S. I know, I know, I'm being sassy with you and that's not so easily entreated is it Way Webbie Person? But hey, this is free and you're getting valuable training so I get to make fun of you in exchange, make you get my coffee, set up my ashtrays, laugh at my jokes and massage my...........ego. :D-->. Not forever. Just till you graduate....) :P--> In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor [This message was edited by socks on February 17, 2004 at 19:11.] [This message was edited by socks on February 17, 2004 at 19:12.]

Vaguely reminscent of the Saturday Night Live skit, with John Lovitz, where they're all coming out of a theater commenting on a movie and they're hypnotized, big eyes, talking slowly... "I - loved - it. It - was - great. I - liked - it - bet - ter - than - Cats. I'm - go - ing - to - see - it - a - gain - and - a - gain...." It looked like a promo for a retirement home. Doesn't the sun shine in Ohio anymore? I haven't seen so much paste since the glue factory exploded. "The Way...the other white meat". In line, in line, it's all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. They do not change, they do not move. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

Aha! a fiddler in our midst...? ! "We're all dry now".... In a line, in a line, they're all in a line. My ducks are all in a row. The do not change, they do not fall. They have nowhere to go. James Taylor

:)--> Fit as a fiddle. How fit is a fiddle anyway? Couldn't I just tell you the way I feel? I can't keep it bottled up inside. And couldn't we pretend that it's no big deal and there's really nothing left to hide? Todd Rundgren