[TrustAndObey]

Tzaia, on 04 January 2011 - 08:06 AM, said:

I don't know what other plans JB had for STFI other than he wanted JAL gone and MG gone.

I never knew JB enough to know... Did he have that much influence on the whole organization? I mean, he wasn't part of the prophetic council or anything I don't recall.. Maybe he felt left out!

But then again, I think many have/had high hopes for the ministry. I mean, how many ministries have their own Bible translation, sure some cults. Oh wait, is that was STFI is? lol.. I mean, really, do we need another ASV/RSV spin off that tells us about another MOGFODAT. Yes, I know it doesn't add that, but it really doesn't change much either.

[Tzaia]

JB preferred to work in the "background" as did I (no one ever heard of me outside the home office). He was never part of the "prophetic council" and he didn't claim prophetic abilities, but he was very much involved in getting EL demonized because he did not like her. He was really ticked off because the J's and M would talk to me whenever I called or came by. He thought I had too much influence, and he didn't like that.

I think it's the height of arrogance to claim that one has the one correct translation, when it's really nothing more than a rewrite to support one's own doctrine. At least they admit that (in so many words).

[Thomas Loy Bumgarner]

yeah S&TFI and Christian Research and Fellowship are both separately working on new translations to include Figores of Speech and Orientalisms within the translation(s) instead of being footnotes.

[Ham]

and what I wonder..

why do they think the rest of "Christendom" is so helpless?

I mean.. they've expounded for if not decades, centuries on the said topics.

maybe they don't want any subtleties left in translation..

ah! that's it. they want us to think what THEY think about the bible..

[TrustAndObey]

Ham, on 09 January 2011 - 06:28 PM, said:

ah! that's it. they want us to think what THEY think about the bible..

And not only do they want us to think what they think.. They want us to think what they think is 100% accurate instead of something they have arrived at over time with changes along the way.. And of course they want us to NOT think any further..

Not only have they NOT figured anything new out. Everything they have arrived at, since they are still selling TWI wares, tells me they haven't really gone far in their journey, at least not in a positive Christian perspective. They have gone far in the opposing direction.. With such things as we now have an imperfect God and Christ that makes mistakes, and personal prophecies that come out of.. a nose maybe?!

[Tzaia]

I can remember (vaguely) how the JW's were put down because they tweaked the KJV to fit their doctrine - of course the KJV was tweaked to fit trinitarian doctrine - and so on (ad nauseam).

My point is that it drove me crazy to be a literalist. The book practically demands a rewrite if one wants to remain one.

[Ham]

Sooo. What happened to the crisis here? Has it been quietly (as possible) resoundedly struck over the head with a shovel, and buried?



any official pronouncements?

and more importantly.. are hard working people STILL sending a significant portion of their income to this outfit?

I looked at the first post.. it has been almost.. FOUR YEARS. Any questions answered yet?

Maybe they are still working on it..



so much for transparency..

[Ham]

OldSkool, on 01 October 2011 - 11:31 AM, said:

From fruit of d'vine:

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please PRAY that God can bring us some wealthy people who will be thrilled to use their money to make known the Truth of God’s Word.

You have got to be kidding me.

It appears that the "crisis" is not over yet..

This post has been edited by Ham: 10 October 2011 - 04:59 PM

[Ham]

It's been a while.. just wondering how the crisis is doing tonight..

[Rejoice]

Can't ask Jeff Blackburn or John Lynn...both were let go a while ago... STFI has become a Youtube ministry...

This post has been edited by Rejoice: 29 January 2012 - 11:39 AM

[Ham]

sooooo. It is now a... YouTube crisis..

[Ham]

I wonder, what is the current state of the crisis? Anybody get newsletters or anything?

[Naten00]

Tzaia, on 10 January 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

I can remember (vaguely) how the JW's were put down because they tweaked the KJV to fit their doctrine - of course the KJV was tweaked to fit trinitarian doctrine - and so on (ad nauseam).

My point is that it drove me crazy to be a literalist. The book practically demands a rewrite if one wants to remain one.

KJV is not the best translation knowing they added a few words and some of the way they translated it seems to be wrong. but it still does not change anything doctrinally as most Trinitarian apologetics do not rely only the common joe uses those verses. In the debates I have heard/watched they don't use those references on those passages altered in the KJV. It is odd how most cults will ONLY use the KJV. ESV is my preferred translation but to be literal learn Koine Greek... I have learned many Greek concepts and ideas do not translate well into English as even the usage of the words have changed. If only these groups learned it on their own it would not be an issue...

[Tzaia]

Ham, on 24 February 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

I wonder, what is the current state of the crisis? Anybody get newsletters or anything?

Main website is seriously out of date. It's March and no first quarter magazine. "Network" newsletter - none since last May.
No BOD annual meeting minutes for this year.
Biblical Unitarian site - new design
Truth or Tradition site - same one I did in 2002-2003

[Rejoice]

Tzaia; they do seem to be getting quite stale...focusing mostly on audio and video teachings done in their studio. Teachings are same old, same old...nothing new or timely. No getting out amongst the people; electronic media is quite sterile and hands off if that is the only way you 'connect'. How many people can you reach talking about why you have tattoos, or questions asked by toddlers? No sharing about victory in believers' lives. Y-A-W-N...

I hear that JAL and now STF are sending email alerts for 'live' teachings from their living rooms.

[OldSkool]

Rejoice, on 21 March 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

I hear that JAL and now STF are sending email alerts for 'live' teachings from their living rooms.

I know for sure TLTF is doing just that, I think the call them Worldwide Webinars Fellowships, and they happen monthly.

[excathedra]

what the he ll is TLTF - you don't have to answer since i really don't care

[Tzaia]

Rejoice, on 21 March 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Tzaia; they do seem to be getting quite stale...focusing mostly on audio and video teachings done in their studio. Teachings are same old, same old...nothing new or timely. No getting out amongst the people; electronic media is quite sterile and hands off if that is the only way you 'connect'. How many people can you reach talking about why you have tattoos, or questions asked by toddlers? No sharing about victory in believers' lives. Y-A-W-N...

I hear that JAL and now STF are sending email alerts for 'live' teachings from their living rooms.

Chuckle

Exie - TLFL is The Living Truth (according to JAL) Fellowship

Gosh, it's almost been a couple of years since there was a good old fashioned upheaval.

[Ham]

almost two years?!!

maybe.

maybe they could email us an alert when a live upheaval is about to transpire in their living room..

[waysider]

Ham, on 21 March 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

almost two years?!!

maybe.

maybe they could email us an alert when a live upheaval is about to transpire in their living room..

They could do a snail mail "blast". (as long as they don't use ABS to pay the postage.)