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Posted 28 February 2011 - 07:09 PM

I have taken that thread offline while I go through some of the information. I hope to interview one of the people that invested with him. I'll have further information up later this week.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:03 PM

Hopefully soon. You have at least the majority of one whole state leaving TWI based upon their handling of this.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:32 PM

View Postchockfull, on 28 February 2011 - 08:03 PM, said:

Hopefully soon. You have at least the majority of one whole state leaving TWI based upon their handling of this.


Good, maybe they will handle other states the same :rolleyes:
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 09:13 PM

View Postchockfull, on 28 February 2011 - 08:03 PM, said:

You have at least the majority of one whole state leaving TWI based upon their handling of this.


Oh, if only.....the majority would see the FRAUD and DECEPTION that twi's directors have been dishing out for decades. Money and investments are one thing......worshipping in vain is quite another.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 09:15 PM

I know about that. What I am currently looking for is court docs where Hirschfeld pled guilty. His sentencing hearing is in two weeks.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 11:32 AM

Some more info on Adam Hirschfeld (for those interested)

Linked In info

Public Awareness site (has pic of Hirschfeld)

Info About Company Hirschfeld Owned

(unverified links removed by Modgellan)

Victims tell their stories

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Reason for edit: links appeared to be for another person with a similar name.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 12:21 PM

OK. This guy is a scammer. What does that have to do with TWI?

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 12:23 PM

View PostGeorgeStGeorge, on 01 March 2011 - 12:21 PM, said:

OK. This guy is a scammer. What does that have to do with TWI?

George


My thoughts exactly. What's the ministry's stake in this?

It must be something as most of the believers in CO are abandoning the ministry.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 12:29 PM

View PostSo_crates, on 01 March 2011 - 12:23 PM, said:

My thoughts exactly. What's the ministry's stake in this?

It must be something as most of the believers in CO are abandoning the ministry.

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In a nutshell, he and his wife are ministry kids from long standing families. His wife parents are way corps and his parents have been in New Bremen for a long time and with the TWI a long time. I understand the young man knew he was ripping people off and involved TWI followers on purpose. That's the broad strokes, I will wait for clarification from Pawtucket before posting anymore details - I am hearing all sorts of rumors.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 12:30 PM

View PostGeorgeStGeorge, on 01 March 2011 - 12:21 PM, said:

OK. This guy is a scammer. What does that have to do with TWI?

George


To a reasonably intelligent group of leadership, nothing. It is a legal matter.

However, to your friendly neighborhood egotistical control freak BOD and butt-smooching local leadership, it represents a highly unique opportunity to be able to pretend to see through their blindness to be spiritually vigilant by issuing "mark and avoid" edicts out over anybody that had any semblance of remote connection to this. Did you know them? Know they were scamming? BAM. Did you babysit their dog? BAM. Are you their parents and did they lie to you? BAM.

In a group of low intelligence and high paranoia, a scapegoat is needed.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 01:21 PM

I think this quote from one of the scammed investors explains a lot:

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The paperwork and dollar signs were all there. He told and showed us charts and more dollar signs on how the forex would grow our money so fast, that I could not even imagine it to be true. I was very leary about giving up our retirement money and second mortageing our house.

But the idiots went ahead and handed over their retirement fund to Hirschfield anyway.
Hadn't they heard - if it sounds too good to be true - it probably isn't true.

I'm not excusing Hirschfeld. But his victims were drawn into it by their own lust (greed) which opened the door to Hirschfeld taking the opportunity.


If any remaining innies had any sense - they'd see the discrepancy between smokin' out all those horrendous spiritual suspects early on (the homo and debt purges) - few if any of whom were guilty as alleged - and the failure to smoke out the real suspects - the Hirschfeld fraudster(s).

Perhaps you just have to say TWI can't see their "own" type of filth - they can't spot a scammer - and they can't spot practicing homosexuals either.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 01:24 PM

View PostTwinky, on 01 March 2011 - 01:21 PM, said:


Perhaps you just have to say TWI can't see their "own" type of filth


Think of the present Way people as being like fish: a fish isn't aware of the medium its swimming in.

And in all the purges why didn't they get rid of the real dangers like scammers? The same reason sharks don't eat lawyers: professional courtesy.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 01:41 PM

View PostSo_crates, on 01 March 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

Think of the present Way people as being like fish: a fish isn't aware of the medium its swimming in.

And in all the purges why didn't they get rid of the real dangers like scammers? The same reason sharks don't eat lawyers: professional courtesy.

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You know this is a side thought, but speaking of sharks and lawyers, I wonder how much money the right honorable Louis Columbo makes every year off of all of the TWI follower's ABS? Between Rosalie, her paranoia, and the ridiculously stupid blunders that occur in that type of oppressive Machiavellian leadership culture, I bet that it costs your common sheeple in TWI a pretty penny every year. Care to guess? $250/hr x how many billable hours average in a year?
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:18 PM

What does it have to do with TWI?

Wayfers in Colorado have been interviewed and put on probation (Mark and Avoid), if they knew anything about this investment scheme. Now why would twi do that?
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 04:19 PM

I'm utterly disgusted. If everyone who knew that Craig Martindale and Victor Paul Wierwille were whoring around had been put on "probation" or "mark and avoid," then Rosie, Donna, and all the other higher-ups wouldn't even be around today. That's about as hypocritical as it gets.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 05:32 PM

Pawtucket - why indeed?

You don't suppose the BC was a part of it in some way? Or condoned it by not speaking out earlier?

It seems a very strange response on the part of TWI.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 06:02 PM

View PostWhat About It, on 01 March 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

I'm utterly disgusted. If everyone who knew that Craig Martindale and Victor Paul Wierwille were whoring around had been put on "probation" or "mark and avoid," then Rosie, Donna, and all the other higher-ups wouldn't even be around today. That's about as hypocritical as it gets.


They didn't need to do anything about someone's behaviour. This is about money.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 06:31 PM

I am speechless.


Knew them.


He creeped me out. He was always parading around as if he was God's gift to the world.


So it's not surprising.


His wife,however, is a shock. She must of been innocent in the business part of it. She was duped as well. Fell for his charms, and stayed ignorant......I am sure.


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Posted 01 March 2011 - 06:47 PM

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Hadn't they heard - if it sounds too good to be true - it probably isn't true.


but, but but..

he was a BELIEVER..

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 08:29 PM

A whole fellowship closed down, the one he was attending, they decided this was the "straw" so to speak. A now-former Colorado limb coordinator, m4rk w4ll4c3, left last year with little warning. So things have been brewing for some time. For some others, this was a perfect opportunity to sever the ties to twi, those who were apparently doing the "fade out" method of leaving anyway, if I had to guess.
Of course, plenty others there are gonna stay in twi no matter what.....

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