[chockfull]

What About It, on 01 March 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

I'm utterly disgusted. If everyone who knew that Craig Martindale and Victor Paul Wierwille were whoring around had been put on "probation" or "mark and avoid," then Rosie, Donna, and all the other higher-ups wouldn't even be around today. That's about as hypocritical as it gets.

For that matter if Rosie and Donna with their "whoring around" were put on probation then maybe there would be less clueless idiots in high places today.

But I guess the point being is that you can't store new wine in old wineskins. Neither can you build a new moral ministry out of an old immoral one.

[socks]

"Let's just wait and see what comes out of the river"





Deliverance

[waysider]

Somewhere, someone's calling.

6 o'clock on a Thursday evening
I saw the smoke rise orange in the sky
I watched the fire climb over the hilltops.

Canyon's burning
Canyon's burning down.

Hear the trees crying
All the years dying
Fire has turned the hills into ashes
And as the sun ran down from the sky
The canyon burned.

Canyon's burning
Canyon's burning down.

Ashes, long lying
Memories, slow dying
Fire has gone and the rain has fallen
The winter has passed and the springtime is near
But under the wind someone is calling.

Canyon's burning
Canyon's burning down.

The Great Canyon Fire In General

[So_crates]

Ham, on 01 March 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

but, but but..

he was a BELIEVER..



can't "think evil" you know.

This is one of the reasons I cringe when people tell me to have faith.

Or another pet peeve: think positive.

Usually, both these statements, in their context, mean: let me make a sucker out of you.

W.C. Feilds once said: If your in a card game for five minutes and you still haven't figured out who the patsy is--your the patsy. I find the same thing holds true for most of lifes situations: if you don't know who the patsy is, its probably you.

SoCrates

This post has been edited by So_crates: 02 March 2011 - 11:57 AM

[excathedra]

is he on LEAD in that pic ?

[Ham]

I didn't see any pictures..

[So_crates]

So_crates, on 01 March 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Some more info on Adam Hirschfeld (for those interested)

Public Awareness site (has pic of Hirschfeld)

Victims tell their stories

SoCrates

Both links are from the same source.

SoCrates

This post has been edited by So_crates: 02 March 2011 - 08:14 PM

[Ham]

If you don't mind me asking.. who is Clarity?

must be somebody cool..

there is somebody here cool enough.. who I would edit for..

[So_crates]

Ham, on 02 March 2011 - 08:30 PM, said:

If you don't mind me asking.. who is Clarity?

The little elf--like most nuns she's five foot nothing--that keeps thumping the back of my head with a ruler and says "That makes no sense."

I've tried to tell her "it makes perfect sense, your not keeping up," but all that usually earns me is a whack with her beads.


Sister Clara T.

SoCrates

This post has been edited by So_crates: 02 March 2011 - 08:55 PM

[waysider]

Ham, on 02 March 2011 - 08:30 PM, said:

If you don't mind me asking.. who is Clarity?

must be somebody cool..

there is somebody here cool enough.. who I would edit for..

I wondered the same thing. Who is Clara T.?
Apparently, her editing skills are sub-par, whoever she is.
You know? 'cause So_crates has to come to her aid.

This post has been edited by waysider: 02 March 2011 - 08:36 PM

[Ham]

God bless you friend..

Okay. The squirrel heads for another beer. That might not exactly be a good idea here..



Depends on what "job" needs dispatched.

[Broken Arrow]

This is where I would insert a humorous comment of my own...if I could only think of one.

[skyrider]

Calavicci, on 01 March 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

A whole fellowship closed down, the one he was attending, they decided this was the "straw" so to speak. A now-former Colorado limb coordinator, m4rk w4ll4c3, left last year with little warning. So things have been brewing for some time. For some others, this was a perfect opportunity to sever the ties to twi, those who were apparently doing the "fade out" method of leaving anyway, if I had to guess.
Of course, plenty others there are gonna stay in twi no matter what.....

My oh my.....how the years fly by.

Years ago, a GS-poster gave detailed incidents in Ohio of m4rk w4ll4c3 and l4rry p4n4r3ll0 standing for the twi-doctrine in all its legalism. Now.......both have severed ties with twi.

Seems like sometimes....even the most staunch legalist finds the exit door!

What awakens them?......policy? structural politics? demoted position? less power?
Most are just looking out for themselves.....period.
Who really takes a stand for the "little guy?"

[OldSkool]

skyrider, on 03 March 2011 - 07:40 AM, said:

What awakens them?

Most times than not, the chickens come home to roost.

[geisha779]

Who would have thunk it? Using bible verses in a confidence scam. Where ever did he come up with that?

From a victims story..."He had all of the answers to our questions and the paperwork and numbers and names to back it up and the bible quotes were perfect. We were wined and dined and we gained his trust and friendship."

Love bombing and using bible verses while manipulating someone to get their money....oddly, this has a familiar ring to it.

The irony, to think of someone defrauding people while using scripture to assure them, might just be what causes TWI some serious pain.

Yep...reality bites sometimes.

This post has been edited by geisha779: 06 March 2011 - 10:12 AM

[Ham]

especially when from one of "their own kind".

I'll bet the ADORED him before he got caught.

Next thought, for me..

how much of the marks ("believers") investment went into way coffers, in the form of "abundant sharing"?

Did they receive any of the stolen money?

[So_crates]

Ham, on 06 March 2011 - 10:30 AM, said:

how much of the marks ("believers") investment went into way coffers, in the form of "abundant sharing"?

Did they receive any of the stolen money?

That would be a reasonable safe bet. I mean TWI is losing most of CO for a reason. That suggests to me TWI is involved somehow.

SoCrates

[waysider]

Ham, on 06 March 2011 - 10:30 AM, said:

how much of the marks ("believers") investment went into way coffers, in the form of "abundant sharing"?

Did they receive any of the stolen money?

Was that meant to be rhetorical?
We all know that, to be considered an active member of "the ministry", you have to give them at least 10-15% of your income. What better reason could there be than that to encourage members to involve themselves in an income increasing venture?

[Ham]

Hmm. Well, I will say this is a speculation on my part..

Wouldn't they have to give the money back?



I mean, it's kinda like receiving stolen property, isn't it?

[So_crates]

Ham, on 06 March 2011 - 01:12 PM, said:

I mean, it's kinda like receiving stolen property, isn't it?

Sure blows the "spiritually clean money" concept out of the water.

SoCrates