"You can learn as much hitchhiking as you can from studying the book of Genesis" ????
Okay, "teacher" - let's see, when was the time you hitchhiked? (Except on the shoulders of giants when you pinched their work)?
One of the best times I had was wandering around in the mountains on my own for three weeks. Completely alone. An overnight layover in a little hamlet to re-stock my food. Everything (tent and all) except water carried on my back. Saw a handful of people the first week; "enjoyed" a minor earthquake; hitched a lift with strangers to the hamlet. Saw only one person on the first day the second couple of weeks or 10 days or whatever it was. Lotsa miles, not sure the mileage; distances are measured in days to take, not miles or km.
In a way, in reminds me of what the big tobacco companies did. They knew they had a product that was killing people but, they continued to romanticize it for the sake of increasing sales .
I'm with Old Skool -- creepy indeed. Still as irresponsible as ever to send people hitchhiking and then mountain climbing with very little training. My time on LEAD was 10 of the worst days of my life. I guess in an odd way it did teach me an "I can do" attitude, because I figured in years later that if I had survived that insanity, none of the rest of the insanity the world would throw at me could defeat me. HOWEVER, as far as making me a better Christian or helping develop compassion or leadership in some of the ....heads in charge, I think not. If it was so wonderful, why didn't VPW do it, and why did Moneyhands and others wimp out on doing it, too?
The book of Genesis has one sex scandal after another in it. You can't read the book of Genesis to your children without having to explain what sex is to them. We bought a children's bible for our oldest child. It referred to OK sex as "making love", but sinful sex, like in Sodom, was called "have sex". Cute.
I hitched a lot as a young person. Got robbed once, never got roughed up. You had to be flexible. One ride might be people you can relate to for maybe 10 miles and the next ride might be rednecks who take you 100 miles. Wondered why the rednecks even picked me up.
I sponsored a family corps couple who went on lead. The woman told me it was challenging; said she "left a lot of 'little girl' back on those rocks".
There is a believer from WA who regularly does lead type excursions to WA, and New Mexico. Some of our young folks went on one. They were geeked; loved it. Mostly guys.
A way corps guy wrote a poem while on lead called 'love is brown'. We had it read aloud during our wedding ceremony. Not by the guy who wrote it. I can't even remember the word of prophecy done at our wedding, but I occasionally reread 'love is brown'.
Hearing sound bytes from Wierwille, with my non-wayfer mindset, the man sounds full of it. I used to idolize his old teachings lamenting that no one like him had risen up in the way international. The man was a crack pot.
Does anyone know who the older bald-headed guy is? I haven't seen Donnie Smith since 1985 or maybe 1986 when he was head LEAD staff in Tinney...please tell me he isn't involved in this!
Moneyhands did go on LEAD, when it was run by Wierwille's Son in Law, John Somerville. Apparently Wierwille met with Somerville and devised a scenario where all the leaders would be taken captive and interrogated until they broke. None of the leaders made it through. I know that Moneyhands was one of them.
Moneyhands did go on LEAD, when it was run by Wierwille's Son in Law, John Somerville. Apparently Wierwille met with Somerville and devised a scenario where all the leaders would be taken captive and interrogated until they broke. None of the leaders made it through. I know that Moneyhands was one of them.
It was called Total Fitness Institute then. The former numbnuts limb leader from WVA I knew was also a participant once, best I remember.
I always wondered how it worked out for John Somerville.. a Google search with his name in quotes yield practically nothing..
Moneyhands did go on LEAD, when it was run by Wierwille's Son in Law, John Somerville. Apparently Wierwille met with Somerville and devised a scenario where all the leaders would be taken captive and interrogated until they broke. None of the leaders made it through. I know that Moneyhands was one of them.
He also went LEAD when all the Corps Coordinators did in Christmas of '80. So did Lynn, Jenkinson, Bedard and some others.
Moneyhands did go on LEAD, when it was run by Wierwille's Son in Law, John Somerville. Apparently Wierwille met with Somerville and devised a scenario where all the leaders would be taken captive and interrogated until they broke. None of the leaders made it through. I know that Moneyhands was one of them.
Oh, yeah... I remember Cli*f Ad*elm@n telling me about that once in 1983 ... I just didn't know Moneyhands was with the group.
Same here. It's called Free Life by Dan Wilson. The artist deserves credit and I am sorry that SOWERS used w/o crediting the artist. Sound familiar anyone? Oh well, hopefully Dan can get publicity.
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GT
I assumed this was from years ago. But given the Smart Car in one of the photos, this must be recent. So they've taken up hitchhiking again? Until another girl gets raped and beaten to the poin
tonto
Thanks for the info taxicab. I'm relieved it's not Donnie but am sorry it has to be anybody. Hearing that voice creeped me out as well. They could have a fine time just hiking in the wilderness,
waysider
When I see them smiling in those pix, it's like they're saying, "Hey! Look at Me!, I'm slapping common sense in the face!" Better watch yourself, Jr...... Common sense has a limit to how many times i
Twinky
"You can learn as much hitchhiking as you can from studying the book of Genesis" ????
Okay, "teacher" - let's see, when was the time you hitchhiked? (Except on the shoulders of giants when you pinched their work)?
One of the best times I had was wandering around in the mountains on my own for three weeks. Completely alone. An overnight layover in a little hamlet to re-stock my food. Everything (tent and all) except water carried on my back. Saw a handful of people the first week; "enjoyed" a minor earthquake; hitched a lift with strangers to the hamlet. Saw only one person on the first day the second couple of weeks or 10 days or whatever it was. Lotsa miles, not sure the mileage; distances are measured in days to take, not miles or km.
I enjoyed "just being."
How can you replicate that on LEAD?
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It felt contrived, almost like they are trying too hard to recreate the early days of TWI.
Engineering spontaneity?
My impression anyway.
I liked the song though.....
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In a way, in reminds me of what the big tobacco companies did. They knew they had a product that was killing people but, they continued to romanticize it for the sake of increasing sales .
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We do things???
:biglaugh: 
Who doesnt?
what the heck is that supposed to mean anyway?
I hitchiked across the country from coast to coast 9 times when I was that age I guess I must know the entire bible--
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Nah-----just Genesis.
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I'm with Old Skool -- creepy indeed. Still as irresponsible as ever to send people hitchhiking and then mountain climbing with very little training. My time on LEAD was 10 of the worst days of my life. I guess in an odd way it did teach me an "I can do" attitude, because I figured in years later that if I had survived that insanity, none of the rest of the insanity the world would throw at me could defeat me. HOWEVER, as far as making me a better Christian or helping develop compassion or leadership in some of the ....heads in charge, I think not. If it was so wonderful, why didn't VPW do it, and why did Moneyhands and others wimp out on doing it, too?
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That's a great point. I mean, afterall, "There's as much learning in hitchhiking as there is in studying Genesis."
Look at all the learning they missed. <_<
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The book of Genesis has one sex scandal after another in it. You can't read the book of Genesis to your children without having to explain what sex is to them. We bought a children's bible for our oldest child. It referred to OK sex as "making love", but sinful sex, like in Sodom, was called "have sex". Cute.
I hitched a lot as a young person. Got robbed once, never got roughed up. You had to be flexible. One ride might be people you can relate to for maybe 10 miles and the next ride might be rednecks who take you 100 miles. Wondered why the rednecks even picked me up.
I sponsored a family corps couple who went on lead. The woman told me it was challenging; said she "left a lot of 'little girl' back on those rocks".
There is a believer from WA who regularly does lead type excursions to WA, and New Mexico. Some of our young folks went on one. They were geeked; loved it. Mostly guys.
A way corps guy wrote a poem while on lead called 'love is brown'. We had it read aloud during our wedding ceremony. Not by the guy who wrote it. I can't even remember the word of prophecy done at our wedding, but I occasionally reread 'love is brown'.
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Hearing sound bytes from Wierwille, with my non-wayfer mindset, the man sounds full of it. I used to idolize his old teachings lamenting that no one like him had risen up in the way international. The man was a crack pot.
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Does anyone know who the older bald-headed guy is? I haven't seen Donnie Smith since 1985 or maybe 1986 when he was head LEAD staff in Tinney...please tell me he isn't involved in this!
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It is creepy.The ole boy is dead.To say he "speaks"to this generation is only to add credibility to junior.What?can't make it on your own?
Moses my servant is dead,arise and go.Not that herr vic was Moses.
Follow in Jesus's footsteps for a change.Did twi sell Tinnie?
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Welcome to the Saint Vic cliche festival.
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We've all heard this tune a million time before.
Rather than aging like fine wine, it sours like vingear and sets out teeth on edge.
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but, but.. it's a gold mine, doncha know..
why consume the whole Loaf of Life, when one can pick at and sell the crumbs of st(?) vic..
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In the woman of God soundbite:
Repeating the phrase "YOU GOT IT BABY!"
Talk about a phrase that carries a vomitous irony.
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Moneyhands did go on LEAD, when it was run by Wierwille's Son in Law, John Somerville. Apparently Wierwille met with Somerville and devised a scenario where all the leaders would be taken captive and interrogated until they broke. None of the leaders made it through. I know that Moneyhands was one of them.
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I assumed this was from years ago.
But given the Smart Car in one of the photos, this must be recent.
So they've taken up hitchhiking again?
Until another girl gets raped and beaten to the point of death?
Again?
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It's like a bad penny that keeps coming back.
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It was called Total Fitness Institute then. The former numbnuts limb leader from WVA I knew was also a participant once, best I remember.
I always wondered how it worked out for John Somerville.. a Google search with his name in quotes yield practically nothing..
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He also went LEAD when all the Corps Coordinators did in Christmas of '80. So did Lynn, Jenkinson, Bedard and some others.
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See, as far as TWI involvement goes that is a blessing. Heh, just ask Hayes Gahagan.
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Oh, yeah... I remember Cli*f Ad*elm@n telling me about that once in 1983 ... I just didn't know Moneyhands was with the group.
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Actually, rapes and DEATHS didn't stop the last program.
When vpw himself was addressed about the dangers of participants being RAPED
as the direct consequence of dangers he was REQUIRING that were not necessary
except for his arbitrary rules,
he went on the record, telling the Way Corps that they COULD get raped ANYWHERE,
so-despite him INCREASING the risk, he was going to keep insisting on putting them
deliberately in danger.
Obviously, he considered his program and his whims to be more important than
human lives, the lives of those for whom Christ died- since he chose to assign a
higher priority to his whims and program than to HUMAN LIVES.
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Same here. It's called Free Life by Dan Wilson. The artist deserves credit and I am sorry that SOWERS used w/o crediting the artist. Sound familiar anyone? Oh well, hopefully Dan can get publicity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mi3CTN3Ufg&feature=related
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