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Jean Yves de Liar...hmmnnnn...you mean the guy that called me on the phone when my family and I decided to check out of hotel Indiana californication halfway through our family corps training ?? The guy that said to me that twi would pay our airfares back to New Zealand BUT only IF we kept our mouths shut as to the things we had seen going on ?? The guy that ordered Paul Mosquito who was running Indiana campus at the time to throw me out of Stone Halls top window if I dared open my mouth before being escorted off campus ?? Jean yves de Liar who instructed New Zealand country co-ordinator to send goons round to my home once we got back to physically attack me in an attempt to intimidate me into silence ??.....Top pick for the job...lmao

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Rocky, you responded to me with a "WTF"........and alluding to the GSC mission.  Read the mission Rocky, GSC is supposed to help those exiting twi, is it not?




Given that this site is trolled by twi is one thing but that info is not gonna be made known to twits.




I can only foot u me that twi will do its best to maintain membership affilication; my ascertation was directed to the concept of how to reach out to those considering leaving twi.




How to, I don't have a clue., then again, I thinks others do.




Always strike when the "opponent" is most vulnerable.




 




 




 


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2 hours ago, MRAP said:


Rocky, you responded to me with a "WTF"........and alluding to the GSC mission.  Read the mission Rocky, GSC is supposed to help those exiting twi, is it not?

 

That's not what you said, and I quote, " Here I say is a transition point for GSC, send out the life boat and a damage control ship to keep the twi ship afloat but if (and you know what if means), let it sink."

WTF do you mean suggesting GSC is about a "damage control ship to keep the twi ship afloat?"

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I have it from several sources that it's Jean-Yves de Lisle.  Apparently it was announced over a year ago.  People on a Facebook site seem to be aware of that.

I worked with Michelle for a while.  She was "good value" and fun to be around.  I liked JY too though didn't know him as well. 

He's a trustee... he must know what's gone on and is going on... if he doesn't, he's failing in his duties and responsibilities as a trustee.  At the very least, he must know that Rosie and her girlfriend are cohabiting and that runs counter to what TWI teaches - and hasn't confronted the hypocrisy.  Which makes him a tacit approver and also a hypocrite.

Ah well.  The blind leading the blind.  And they all fall into a very big ditch.

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3 hours ago, Twinky said:

I have it from several sources that it's Jean-Yves de Lisle.  Apparently it was announced over a year ago. 

John Rupp was noted about 10 months ago to be linking up with job-search sites.

Now, without question......we know why.  Rosalie gave the big-chair assignment to Jean Yves [the new cult-leader-in-chief].  Jean-Yves has been groomed in the art of deception and spiritual perception (cough, cough) for the last 20+ years by Rosalie herself.  He is the most qualified to be subservient to Rosalie's and Donna's wishes than any of the other men.  Men like Pla-tig showed Rosalie to find someone that could be easily intimidated.  And, if twi's modus operandi continues.....that means that Jean-Yves will be prez for the next 18-20 years.  Imagine how sluggishly-indoctrinated the whole outfit will be by then?  No wonder Rupp is looking elsewhere.

Will there be another mini-mini exodus when Rosalie steps down? 

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After watching the latest KFC commercial (you’ll never guess who the latest celebrity is in the Colonel getup) – I’ve got an idea for how TWI should have handled the changes in the presidency.

Although the original KFC “Colonel” Sanders bore a striking resemblance to Uncle Harry – I think it would be more fitting if all TWI presidents to succeed vpw should also look like him – whether man or woman.

I believe through the “miracle” of showbiz makeup (even if it looks campy or ridiculous - give them a phony eyeball, Drambuie cologne, resounding bible-thumping digit, etc.) an   idol   ideal continuity can be maintained -   so that the ineffable greatness of the founding   predator   president in all his   gory    glory    may continue to be emulsified with “the word”…then of a truth the people will say “same old same old.”

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3 hours ago, T-Bone said:

After watching the latest KFC commercial (you’ll never guess who the latest celebrity is in the Colonel getup) – I’ve got an idea for how TWI should have handled the changes in the presidency.

 

 

Although the original KFC “Colonel” Sanders bore a striking resemblance to Uncle Harry – I think it would be more fitting if all TWI presidents to succeed vpw should also look like him – whether man or woman.

I believe through the “miracle” of showbiz makeup (even if it looks campy or ridiculous - give them a phony eyeball, Drambuie cologne, resounding bible-thumping digit, etc.) an   idol   ideal continuity can be maintained -   so that the ineffable greatness of the founding   predator   president in all his   gory    glory    may continue to be emulsified with “the word”…then of a truth the people will say “same old same old.”

 

 

Norm MacDonald?

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nope - debonair mannered and perpetually tan George Hamilton (or Hamil-TAN)....don't feel bad - i could not figure it out though I've seen the commercial several times and had to resort to the internetia

 

the new Colonel Sanders

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Hi Grace! Welcome to the Spot! Glad to have you here. You'll find out PLENTY as you read along. Enjoy!

As long as Ros-a-lie and Lombardi are alive, they'll have control over de Liar.  Skyrider knows all about de Liar. Only thing you really need to know about the new cult leader is that he was picked by the old one! That says it all. One case of walking amoebic dysentery recognizes the same in the other. Guaranteed he's as much of a putz as dictor paul wierwille was, but nowhere near as "charismatic". And, no matter what, no one will ever be worse than da Forehead! LOL!

Any one picked by TWIt to run TWIt is a guaranteed social moron and "spiritual" idiot. The intellectual prowess of a lava rock, and the compassion of a maggot.

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Thanks!!  Please forgive me for laughing my butt off, but that way that was written, made me laugh!  However, it was also true!!  If I was the new leader of TWI, I would leave at once!  However, because it has taken him years to get "the big chair" he probably will stay and be as corrupt as the other leaders have been.  How money/ power hungry can one man/ woman be?  I am so thankful for the GSC, to learn that I was not the corrupt person I thought I was; it was TWI that was sick!!

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On 10/8/2016 at 11:36 AM, skyrider said:

 

I was the clergyman that officiated Jean-Yves's and Michelle's wedding.

Kinda amazing that he never stepped back to connect the dots -- especially during the lcm-purges and promulgations of twi-doctrine throughout the '80s.  The lies, the cover-ups, the damage control methods, and the character assassinations of any who dissented from mogville.  I guess a man sees what he WANTS to see.....and disregards the rest.

Someday......maybe I'll get around to posting more on GSC.  :wink2:

Hello!!  My name is Grace Claire, and I am new

On 10/8/2016 at 11:36 AM, skyrider said:

 

I was the clergyman that officiated Jean-Yves's and Michelle's wedding.

Kinda amazing that he never stepped back to connect the dots -- especially during the lcm-purges and promulgations of twi-doctrine throughout the '80s.  The lies, the cover-ups, the damage control methods, and the character assassinations of any who dissented from mogville.  I guess a man sees what he WANTS to see.....and disregards the rest.

Someday......maybe I'll get around to posting more on GSC.  :wink2:

to posting on the GSC.  I have never meet RR nor heard any of her teachings.  I notice that not one person has posted any nice about her.  I think that this speaks volumes about her style of leadership. Even LCM and VPW, had supporters.  However, I have yet to read anything that speaks of her kindness, thoughtfulness, or great leadership skills.  I am not judging her, but after all the years that she has been the head of TwI, 

I think that when no one has anything good to say about her, that she probably did not do a very good job as the head wannabe of the organization.  Just a thought!!

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Even though I understood the mission of GSC to be a life boat for exiting TWI folks, Rocky is correct about GSC not being a damage control for TWI.  I only ascerted that because I thought that we could help keep a Christian organization active and INFLUENCE the outcome.  Well, DWBH wrote something that made me realize that is an impossibility: TWI will institute it's sellected new president and as long as the previous controller lives, the TWI president will follow their dictates.  Yes, I should have known but had dreamt of a TWI that was pure and devoid of the corruption - TWI has so much capital to do God's work, but, that's not what will ever happen so long as the leadership follows the direction it has now and in the past.  Like I said, DWBH wrote well in relating how the transition of power works in TWI.  I still ascert, TWI will experience another mass exit and GSC should be prepared to receive.  I don't dream for another TWI, I dream for those assets of TWI being put to a good purpose, what an f'n waste.

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On 10/8/2016 at 3:33 PM, Allan said:

Jean Yves de Liar...hmmnnnn...you mean the guy that called me on the phone when my family and I decided to check out of hotel Indiana californication halfway through our family corps training ?? The guy that said to me that twi would pay our airfares back to New Zealand BUT only IF we kept our mouths shut as to the things we had seen going on ?? The guy that ordered Paul Mosquito who was running Indiana campus at the time to throw me out of Stone Halls top window if I dared open my mouth before being escorted off campus ?? Jean yves de Liar who instructed New Zealand country co-ordinator to send goons round to my home once we got back to physically attack me in an attempt to intimidate me into silence ??.....Top pick for the job...lmao

IMO this is a perfect example of why JY gets the top position over R@pp.  He will follow unethical, non-biblical orders and courses of action without question.  R@ppenstein maybe was a couple steps behind lock-step.  

In other words, foxy loxy chose her successor just like VP did - like was shared in "VP and Me" - he was the one that whenever he was told to jump didn't ask "how high?"

This is why TWI is a cult - the culture survives the personality of leadership.  

Allan, sorry you and your family went through that.  As a good Christian and fine kiwi you certainly did not deserve this.

 

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9 hours ago, MRAP said:

Even though I understood the mission of GSC to be a life boat for exiting TWI folks, Rocky is correct about GSC not being a damage control for TWI.  I only ascerted that because I thought that we could help keep a Christian organization active and INFLUENCE the outcome.  Well, DWBH wrote something that made me realize that is an impossibility: TWI will institute it's sellected new president and as long as the previous controller lives, the TWI president will follow their dictates.  Yes, I should have known but had dreamt of a TWI that was pure and devoid of the corruption - TWI has so much capital to do God's work, but, that's not what will ever happen so long as the leadership follows the direction it has now and in the past.  Like I said, DWBH wrote well in relating how the transition of power works in TWI.  I still ascert, TWI will experience another mass exit and GSC should be prepared to receive.  I don't dream for another TWI, I dream for those assets of TWI being put to a good purpose, what an f'n waste.

MRAP, 

IMO this is how TWI keeps people hooked long after they see the wizard behind the curtain.   Good Christian folks wanting to show loyalty to an organization that taught them the Bible, wanting to change it for the better, wanting to influence the outcome.

They don't realize that with the whole counter-culture that exists behind the scenes in TWI leadership that there is no way any of the top people will ever allow others to influence them or effect organizational change.  One of the main reasons is the culture is set up like a dictatorship.  So even though new people as quoted here "never heard RR teach" she was in control over EVERYTHING.  Just like LCM was before.  Just like VPW was before that.  And just like JY de Loser will be next.  He's worked way too hard over too many years violating principle to kiss foot to give it all up now for a more democratic leadership culture.

I personally stayed in TWI past when I should have in efforts to effect godly change.   Praying for people, speaking up tactfully, etc.  All because I hadn't yet come to the realization of Jesus words - "you can't put new wine into old wineskins".  The corrupt culture and practices of TWI's leadership are an old wineskin.  Giving a face lift to VPW, whitewashing all the history, all of that is old wineskin behavior.  It would not hold the new wine of a genuine movement of God - it would all leak out over the floor, leaving only the old framework and structure.

 

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On ‎10‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 0:42 PM, chockfull said:

IMO this is a perfect example of why JY gets the top position over R@pp.  He will follow unethical, non-biblical orders and courses of action without question.  R@ppenstein maybe was a couple steps behind lock-step.  

In other words, foxy loxy chose her successor just like VP did - like was shared in "VP and Me" - he was the one that whenever he was told to jump didn't ask "how high?"

This is why TWI is a cult - the culture survives the personality of leadership.  

 

Exactly right!

The reason jean-yves was selected.......he will obey orders [from ros-a-lie and donna].  He has been watched, monitored and groomed for 28 years at the hq-compound while serving in the international outreach office and cabinet positions. He is the perfect foil for an "international ministry".......his age, family, and French-Canadian background with U.S. wife.......to be the next twi-figurehead to bilk the followers.  The other candidates in the mix thru the years......pla-tig, mitt-ler, rey-nolds, ru-pp, mag-nelli, hor-ney, etc.....had potential to be prez, but also presented a **risk factor** that they might stray from the cult-orthodoxy and wierwille-idolatry.  Even martindale, in his bold/offensive/klutz ways was moving away from the all-things-wierwille legacy.

Ros-a-lie knows that twi's survival and legacy depend on keeping the wierwille legacy in tact........and jean-yves will obey, or else.

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2 hours ago, skyrider said:

had potential to be prez, but also presented a **risk factor** that they might stray from the cult-orthodoxy and wierwille-idolatry.  Even martindale, in his bold/offensive/klutz ways was moving away from the all-things-wierwille legacy.

Ros-a-lie knows that twi's survival and legacy depend on keeping the wierwille legacy in tact........and jean-yves will obey, or else.

Friends, has your idol worship gone idle? When was the last time you slept   sat   through PFAL ?

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I think you all need more up to date info. I'm a current intermediate class grad and I'm 28. I want to go into the way corps too. there are some really sharp younger leaders making waves and they are great teachers. one of the came and taught at my first fellowship during their relocation. after they taught they ministered to me and I was healed from a incurable disease immediately .  I told him I want to be able to do that for people. he told me Christ made it so I can. now they are corps grads and helping train corps. there is a big movement coming up the ranks to follow these young leaders. they know what the problems are and they are making changes for good. I want to be part of it. I want others to be delivered like I was. Sorry so many were hurt in the past. 

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yeah, right Donald saying I am going to make The Way International great again and I am building a wall to cut off Wierwille Road  from Ohio State highway 29 to keep the authorities off the property. Geshem, it was Jesus Christ who healed you, not The Way. Those sharp leaders who are millenials you talked about, will quickly kicked out. If God is calling you to full time ordained ministry, please seriously, consider leaving TWI and go to a mainline denominational theological seminary. In the long road, you will be much happier and keep your sanity.

 

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2 hours ago, Geshem the Arrabian said:

I think you all need more up to date info. I'm a current intermediate class grad and I'm 28. I want to go into the way corps too. there are some really sharp younger leaders making waves and they are great teachers. one of the came and taught at my first fellowship during their relocation. after they taught they ministered to me and I was healed from a incurable disease immediately .  I told him I want to be able to do that for people. he told me Christ made it so I can. now they are corps grads and helping train corps. there is a big movement coming up the ranks to follow these young leaders. they know what the problems are and they are making changes for good. I want to be part of it. I want others to be delivered like I was. Sorry so many were hurt in the past. 

It took young people to build the ministry.  It will take young people to see if flourish again.  I'm glad you mention the young leaders.  It is important that we pray for them.

Perhaps a lift list of all their names and positions of service posted here would be helpful?  Maybe even their specific plans of action.  It is important to be specific in prayer.

 

I also know people who say they were cured of the incurable in The Way.  The sight of these folks certainly gives one pause.  Doesn't it?

 

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5 hours ago, Geshem the Arrabian said:

... there are some really sharp younger leaders making waves and they are great teachers. one of the came and taught at my first fellowship during their relocation. after they taught they ministered to me and I was healed from a incurable disease immediately .  I told him I want to be able to do that for people. he told me Christ made it so I can. now they are corps grads and helping train corps. ... I want others to be delivered like I was. Sorry so many were hurt in the past. 

Geshem, welcome.  Nice to hear from a current "innie."

You may find, as you read in these forums, that many here were impressed by young leaders who genuinely had a heart for God and God's people.  They, and others, ministered healing, taught well, lived well, and had a great lifestyle of living and loving Godliness.  That's what kept TWI afloat.

Unfortunately, when one enters the Way Corps - that's when it all starts going very badly wrong.  Where the legalism really starts to bite.  And where the young leaders' Godliness, spirituality , individuality and enthusiasm gets crushed out.  Many have had good intentions.  Many hearts were broken by the harshness of WC life.  Those in the know at the top were corrupt from the beginning.  They taught that to their inner circle.  Not all were abused and not all were in the inner circle to be corrupted so badly.  Some who did learn of the inner workings tried to change things from within.  So far, none has achieved this.

I am sorry to say that some of those younger leaders who stuck around - are no longer young and are no longer great examples of Godliness.  Rather, they exemplify debauched leadership in the style of the sons of Eli (1 Sam 2:22 in particular).

Take care of your heart, if you decide to stay.  Be wise as a serpent, and do not believe all you see or hear.

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 I'm glad for your deliverance.  I'm kind of sorry for all of you guys because in spite of great healing that happens when people believe and trust God, it doesn't mean organizations are worth your trust.  Thanks for being sorry for all the people that were hurt.  That is empathy you will never find in the upper echelons of the way.

Best of wishes on your journey.  God has different stories unfold for each of us.  I couldn't tell you why mine has taken turns it has, but from my time in the way I found a spouse, got married, had kids, and moved on.   I can't stay quiet about their tiered caste system Christianity, fundamentalist doctrine keeping followers destitute and vagrant, and bully-like behavior towards peers in leadership.  That's not a matter of whether I'm hurt or not, actually not so much as scarred, but the point rather is about ongoing functioning evil and acknowledging and exposing it.

 

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