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skyrider    912
2 hours ago, Junior Corps Surviver said:

A few years ago a friend of Brian M’hands told us that he and his family were planning something of a coup. Years later , here it is apparently. I don’t think they wanted to go the splitter route. They wanted to revive and restore as far back as 4 years ago. That’s the exact term they used. Wow. 

So.......admittedly,  this group has been scheming a departure and "power grab" for at least 4 years. 

First of all, this RnR group will SOON REALIZE.......once people break away from the fear-based twit-cult, they will NOT automatically follow another "designated leader."  Once the stranglehold is broken......and IF any venture on over to GSC......they will find whole new vistas of thought and freedom.  Their critical thought processes will engage......AND......many will STOP GOING TO AN RnR-SPLINTER GROUP, as well.

Many who went to CES..........don't anymore.

Many who went to CFF..........don't anymore.

Once people break free from the chains of fear, manipulation and exploitation........they ain't going to regularly attend RnR "fellowships" and give a hunk of their hard-earned money to ANOTHER group that preaches wierwille-adulation.  Plus, add in some corps grad egos who want salaried........and, bang, off to the races they go with more in-fighting, back-biting, and splintering.

Once people exit a cult..........it's a brave, new world out there.  Go for it.

 

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outandabout    85
On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 2:42 PM, OldSkool said:

OmG. I made it six minutes and one second. The panel would not answer specifically what they were asked. I havent heard way speak of that magnitude since i left twi in 2008. I cant watch anymore. Thanks for posting the video it showed me all i need to see.

I couldn't even make it that far.  OMG I've been triggered!!!

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outandabout    85
On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 7:45 PM, Junior Corps Surviver said:

That’s a blast from the past. I remember Michael Fort. 

I remember him too. (same Corpse as me)  He sure has changed. I never would have recognized him.  But then again several decades will do that.

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Twinky    387
8 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

There's no non-corps signatures?

No, you have to confront within the household - the WC household that is - keep it discreet, of course. 

Then, if the trustees won't respond, it has to be taken before the whole church, ie, all of TWI - by doing this video.

 

Bolshy, you must know surely that you can't tell everyone you're planning a coup?? :spy:

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skyrider    912
21 hours ago, chockfull said:

More input after reading the Q & A comments on the live feed.

I'm figuring out what bothers me most about this live feed.  I think it is the lack of authenticity.   What I mean by that is they are all coming off like they are working within the ministry, confronting things with scripture according to the Word, sending in their ABS to HQ and all.  That is 100% a lie.

Behind the scenes they have already planned out a coup.  They have already started a splinter group.  They already have a website up at the link I posted earlier.  Allison Horn3y will give out the password to it if people PM her.  They all pretty much know they are going to be marked and avoided, and have known this from the 7 page letter they sent last year in August.  And they have already planned out a new splinter ministry, with those folks sitting in the circle as the new leadership of the new splinter group.   There were other folks in the audience that signed that letter, like Jason Cart3r's parents.  

What they are planning right now is the exact same thing people leaving have planned for the last 50 years.   Take as many people with you that are conditioned to give 15% of their income as you can.   Try and make it as seamless and transparent to the people moving from the Way to your splinter as you can.

Yes.  Another exodus.

We can even gauge the impact of this one.   Invitations to the Q and A session went out to approximately 1800 people.    There are now about 180 people in the R&R splinter.  So they will probably peel off about maybe 10% of remaining Way followers. Maybe 20%.  The Way probably has about that many on its rolls (1800) in the United States, including a whole bunch of people who are on the list but not really into it.  So you can't really split people off that don't really care - let's put the potential influence at 70% of that - because there really aren't that many new people that have joined over the last 20 years. That puts Way numbers at about 1200 - maybe they will pull 20 - 30% of people left.

So to sum up, the Way with all of its forced outreach, doctrinal error teaching about how the Word moved because people followed a systematic outreach plan, has an overall measurable impact in the country it was founded in that is about parallel in numbers to a medium-large community church in a city.   But in impact it would be measurably less because the momentum a 1200 person church gives you in a community is substantial.  

The Way's retention numbers are abysmal.   On a basic human level, that is completely foreseeable and logical.   It is proportional to how they treat people throughout their time in the Way.  The Way treats people who have given their lives to the cause like dung.  Always has.  

These people have no business founding a ministry.  

If they were genuine and honest about it, rather than doing the power grab run, they would leave, go to a seminary somewhere for a couple years, then graduate and do a church plant with someone not from their background so they could have practical experience with getting over that "household of God" lie.  They can't even see that lie when they are directly affected by it with JYDL declaring the household boundaries as outside their group.

Does this justify the Way in this scenario?   H3ll no.  100% of the stupid one point they are making is correct.  Rosalie is a deluded cult leader who at 77 isn't going to change, and the two John's she has seduced are under her thumb and not leaving because of her Communist Stalin Hitler like tactics of sending dissenters to Siberia.  God, the scriptures, revelation, the body of Christ, none of that functions freely under that kind of oppressive onerous lording over people leadership.

We are witnessing the birth of one more stupid cult.    YASC.  Yet Another Stupid Cult.

Yep.....the birthing of another wierwillite-cult.

I remember one corps meeting or nightowl sharing where wierwille stated that if he had it to do all over again.......he would have TAKEN as many Van Wert Church people with him as he could.  Looks like the cult apple hasn't fallen far from the Way Tree.

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Bolshevik    351

The Rank and File Wayfer is a simple creature that always follows the path of least decision.  That's why they chose PFAL in the first place.

When confronted with videos of leadership babbling nonsense and confirming what everyone has been telling them to their face for years, they likely to go into a hypnotic state.  Information will be collected via the five senses. Vast, overwhelming amounts of it.  But parts of the Wayfer mind will disengage so as to not feel the full impact of the clear, unmistakable meaning of it all.  

This is prime time for leadership to lead.  By speaking the right BS and the right moment, the Wayfer will follow them, feeling gently undersheparded to the tune of Way Plod-ductions.   

In this way, Wayfers will find themselves in new fellowships of spinoffs, or the same TWI-proper fellowships, and simply not recall that any change has taken place.  Why would they?  

So be prepared, "I told you so", will have no meaning to them.  The Wayfer was right all along.

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Allan    49

Password for a (Christian) website ??!! I know some sites do have them for their leadership page/forum BUT not to just try to surf their site lol. How is anyone expected to be blessed or informed with their site ? ;) What are they afraid of ? critics ? mockers ? Dang shame, I had a loose 20k sitting around I wanted to donate to them :rolleyes:

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penguin2    2

I hope that maybe anyone who leaves can actually encounter the living word of God (Jesus) instead of just studying the words on the pages of their Bibles and concordances.  There's a huge difference.   I didn't realize how big of a Pharisee I was and how I was burdening people instead of encouraging them and making their burden lighter.  There is so much MORE available than what the Way and a lot of the offshoots can offer.  I love being in a group that realizes no one has it all together and we all (different ministries and even churches ) need each other. 

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On 5/8/2017 at 3:19 PM, Raf said:

The only thing I learned from this video is that I've been pronouncing "Rivenbark" incorrectly since I first learned her name.

I know RR retired on New Year's Day, but does anyone know where she is these days, and what she is doing?  Did she take Donna with her?  Nosy people want to know.

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BlueCord    19

This is going out to everyone who was involved with TWI roughly around the time of the lawsuits. If you were around during those times, do you remember R@mon@ Bid0n? If you do, please send me a private message. I'd like to send you a picture I've found to determine if the person in the picture is the same as the one that helped LCM abuse women . . . because she seems to be a member of the R&R Facebook page.

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Rocky    727

oops

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to correct a misstatement I made

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11 hours ago, skyrider said:

Rosalie moved over to vice-prez chair.......hahahaha

It's official........Rosalie ain't going anywhere

Wow!!!  I didn't know that!!!  I thought she had retired from TWI. My guess is she likes being in control of people, and the money.  Especially the money.  Thanks Skyrider for the information!

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TLC    28
On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 6:53 PM, Rocky said:

They introduced him as Michael Fort.

Okay, thanks.  Would have never recognized him. Of course, I barely recognized boob and dooty, and probably didn't ever know the others. I only asked about the one promptly stickin' his foot in his mouth. Didn't he split with Cindy some time back?

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chockfull    453
On 5/13/2017 at 10:49 PM, BlueCord said:

This is going out to everyone who was involved with TWI roughly around the time of the lawsuits. If you were around during those times, do you remember R@mon@ Bid0n? If you do, please send me a private message. I'd like to send you a picture I've found to determine if the person in the picture is the same as the one that helped LCM abuse women . . . because she seems to be a member of the R&R Facebook page.

No pictures necessary.  R@mona Bid0n was named in lawsuits and documentation described her as a "procuress".  Meaning to spell it out she would be the one sent out to "recruit" young women for sexual escapade threesomes with Martind@le.   It's the same woman.  She remarried and used her knowledge of all the stuff she did to get her and new husband a fulltime Corpse position on the field - part of RFR's bribery promotion practice - extreme obedience gets rewarded, any inkling of dissent gets you shipped to Siberia.

In fact, although I don't know the later Corpse members of R&R - the 31st Corpse folks, I will say that everyone up there on the stage for that R&R meeting should probably disqualify themselves for leadership due to their own personal escapades and coverup of escapades.

I mean I read an article about that one super-church evangelical guy in Colorado a few years back.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Church_(Colorado_Springs,_Colorado)

10,000 members.  The leader Ted Haggard was busted paying for a male escort for over 3 years and doing methamphetamine.   6 figure settlement with another person this guy was having an inappropriate relationship with.  You would think a person's lifestyle would actually prevent them from certain professions.  But no.  The wife writes a book "Why I Stayed", they take a year off with a 6 figure salary paid for by the founding church, some nice rest and relaxation, then they are off starting up another church.  So I guess that would be the church for you if you are gay, have a meth habit, and all of that is a secret life where you appear as a family man?  

Some people just picked the wrong d@mn profession, and can't come to grips with it.

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Rocky    727
On 5/8/2017 at 6:02 PM, Rocky said:

Oh heavens no, they do NOT intend to start a new splinter cult! HAHAHAHAhahahahaha! :jump:

Methinks they doth protest too much (with their denials when asked about intent to start a new group).

At this point, it seems likely that the intent of this R and R group is a wholesale coup d'etat to gain access to the $50million+ assets that Rosie and Yves now control. They as much as telegraphed that intent when they denied they plan to start a new splinter ministry. Of course, I could say that I received revelation to that effect, but that would be bull dung. It IS a hunch on my part.

What irks me most about the situation is their declaration that they intend to oversee a spiritual revival in TWI. I mean, come on... how freakin' arrogant of them.

Even if they had a humble attitude, wouldn't it still be up to God rather than people to determine whether there was going to be a spiritual revival?

The people seeking the overthrow of the current administration of TWI have LOTS of baggage themselves. Have any of them demonstrated anything even close to resembling repentance for their own wickedness?

Just sayin'.

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WordWolf    376

How soon we forget.

This was the same R@mon@ who was married to T0M M1TCHELL.  Anyone here meet him?  He was married and he and the Mrs were living on-grounds during the lcm era.  Sometime after Tom found out that lcm was doing his wife, he got into an argument about it with her. Witnesses said they overheard him shout that he couldn't compete with Craig, and he stalked off. That was the last anyone saw him alive-he went off and blew his brains out.  He certainly didn't deserve that. (I'd known him- he deserved a beatdown with fists, but not for his wife to cheat on him, nor to be driven to suicide because a group's second leader worshipped his predecessor so much that when the guy said adultery was fine, he agreed and did it. 

She's the same R@mon@.

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WordWolf    376
40 minutes ago, Rocky said:

At this point, it seems likely that the intent of this R and R group is a wholesale coup d'etat to gain access to the $50million+ assets that Rosie and Yves now control. They as much as telegraphed that intent when they denied they plan to start a new splinter ministry. Of course, I could say that I received revelation to that effect, but that would be bull dung. It IS a hunch on my part.

What irks me most about the situation is their declaration that they intend to oversee a spiritual revival in TWI. I mean, come on... how freakin' arrogant of them.

Even if they had a humble attitude, wouldn't it still be up to God rather than people to determine whether there was going to be a spiritual revival?

The group seeking the overthrow of the current administration of TWI have LOTS of baggage themselves. Have any of them demonstrated anything even close to resembling repentance for their own wickedness?

Just sayin'.

They may be thinking that Geer, when he read his paper, could have grabbed the big chair back in the 80s, and they think they can succeed where he didn't try.

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Rocky    727
4 hours ago, WordWolf said:

How soon we forget.

This was the same R@mon@ who was married to T0M M1TCHELL.  Anyone here meet him?  He was married and he and the Mrs were living on-grounds during the lcm era.  Sometime after Tom found out that lcm was doing his wife, he got into an argument about it with her. Witnesses said they overheard him shout that he couldn't compete with Craig, and he stalked off. That was the last anyone saw him alive-he went off and blew his brains out.  He certainly didn't deserve that. (I'd known him- he deserved a beatdown with fists, but not for his wife to cheat on him, nor to be driven to suicide because a group's second leader worshipped his predecessor so much that when the guy said adultery was fine, he agreed and did it. 

She's the same R@mon@.

Yes, that's a subset of the baggage to which I referred.

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skyrider    912
4 hours ago, WordWolf said:

How soon we forget.

This was the same R@mon@ who was married to T0M M1TCHELL.  Anyone here meet him?  He was married and he and the Mrs were living on-grounds during the lcm era.  Sometime after Tom found out that lcm was doing his wife, he got into an argument about it with her. Witnesses said they overheard him shout that he couldn't compete with Craig, and he stalked off. That was the last anyone saw him alive-he went off and blew his brains out.  He certainly didn't deserve that. (I'd known him- he deserved a beatdown with fists, but not for his wife to cheat on him, nor to be driven to suicide because a group's second leader worshipped his predecessor so much that when the guy said adultery was fine, he agreed and did it. 

She's the same R@mon@.

And..........Tom M1tchell was attempting to talk to his wife Ramona so that they'd leave hq-compound together.  Well, Craig was in a meeting and got wind of it.....and he immediately sent messenger-boy Bill Green3 to get Ramona and tell her "....don't leave, Craig wants to meet with you."  [Craig told Bill.....you married them, you therefore have entre into their lives.]

From what I remember.......Craig relayed to Ramona that if she left with Tom, her life was in danger.  Craig convinced her that Tom was irrational and open to devil-spirit possession......thus, staying "at headquarters, with the household" was the right choice.  [And therefore.......their sex romps could continue.]

Ramona stayed.  Tom left hq........and soon thereafter, went out into the backyard and "blew his brains out."

And now..........messenger-boy Bill Gre3ne's son, Chandler is twi's corps coordinator.   

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skyrider    912
51 minutes ago, skyrider said:

And now..........messenger-boy Bill Gre3ne's son, Chandler is twi's corps coordinator.   

Probably another reason why.....

Two sycophants who were NOT on that RnR list........Rev. Bill Green3 and Rev. Marcia (Fau1k) Gre3ne

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Hi All!

Well....I actually finished forcing myself to listen to those lying, sanctimonious, self-deluded fools. I could only take it in 8-10 minute segments, once a day. I felt as if I was watching the defendants at the Nurenberg trials lying their sleazy butts off. Where were they 30 fucking years ago?? These self-serving phonies were the Goehrings, the Eichmanns, the Goebbels, the Speers, the Himmlers of dictor paul's Aryan Nazi cult. I remember some letter writings back in 1986 and1987. I remember these same little Nazi asskissers congratulating themselves over and over for coming to the aid of da forehead throughout the 1990's buying every absurdity he made them believe and thereby carrying out the grand atrocities he devised in his pathologically disturbed mind and corrupt soul. NO ONE HELD A GUN TO ANY OF YOUR HEADS YOU CHICKENSHIT SELF-SERVING PIMPS AND WHORES. I remember old Boob himself so strung out on self-pity and anti-depressants that all the little crybaby could do was sit in meetings with his head on the table crying the crocodile tears of a zombie-wayfer. Horney sounds like a tape of da dancing president. There must not remain a single coherent, non way-brained braincell left in that clanging cranium. And Funnyboy Fort. Get em laughing on the way to the Gulags or push em into the gas chambers, l'il standup wannabe, Mikey the trustee's kid. I won't even get started on their perky, cutesy, smarmy, little slut wives. What a ship of fools. The combined courage of the cowardly lion and a combined IQ of 70.

They ALL KNEW the truth about dictor paul, Rosie, da forehead and Donna, coward, ding dong, townsends, cummins, geer, finnegan, lynn, wrenn, et al, as well as their own filth over these many decades now. I was there you jerks. I KNOW! YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW. BUT, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST KNOWS. And he will surely say to all of you hypocrites and spiritual cadavers, "I never knew you!". And, certainly, and obviously, you have never known Him!           Selah!

 

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Twinky    387

DWBH, I'm picking you don't like my Corps Coords very much... ah, shame. /sarc/

I'll PM you in a few hours when I get back home again.

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Allan    49

Well said DWBH !!!  can I just ask, was that 'inspired utterance' ?? It almost sounds like a 'thus sayeth the Lord' moment lol...man did you hit the nail bang smack on the head....and to everyone here...THAT is why GS is still very important TODAY...so if you haven't donated yet, please give something/ anything !! 

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socks    64

Thanks for the information, Rocky. Interesting reading and listening.

I haven't been on GS for quite awhile. Peace, homies! I was surprised my dancing Calvin dude is gone. I must have missed an upgrade. Not to worry, Calvin is always *here*.

Got a heads up to this topic sent to me by a friend-o. This has been a developing story for several months, first heard about some of this movement a year or so ago. But if they don't land in front of my face I don't hear about this kind of stuff. 

DWBH! Yes, indeed. I see Ed and Jackie Horney there. Knew them back in Miami, they were both coming to our fellowship way back when, when they were dating. I love them, although I haven't really seen them for many years and have only friended Ed on farcebake recently. I'm glad they've separated themselves from the Way, any degree of separation will benefit them. They, as all of us, deserve a lot better than what's being funneled out of The Way Nash these days. 

But true - all of these people were active in the past 30 - 40, 50 years (dang, we're getting old aren't we???). I find it amazing they can suddenly be so critical the last few months, or years, of policies and actions that have been so for decades and that they themselves embraced and participated in. Y'know? Watzupwiddat? 

That business about the Way employee who was scheduled to teach a SNS and was pulled the last minute.....oh, the horror, it wasn't even announced, a new teacher took the podium, no explanation and worst of all, everyone from his domain area that had dialed in didn't know what was going on! Oh, the confusion they must have felt!

As if that's a new scenario in the Way......? That kind of thing has happened and most assuredly continues to happen ALL THE TIME. the Way's byline should be "No, We Don't Answer Questions".....they never tell anyone anything about what they're doing and they're constant press-release communications amount to "You're ALWAYS welcome at the Way!", which is an english translation of a greek phrase that originally meant "Fu ck You". 

So, agreed, they're apparently nuts, damaged goods, dented cans, smiling icons of a lost race of people once thought to dwell in central Ohio. Museum artifacts. 

We be pretty far from any concerns as to what they're "revive and restore" business will be about but I'm sure it will be taking donations soon enough. 

Take care, my friends! Jesus is the way, the truth and the life! He was dead and lives again and God forgives and saves to the uttermost any and all who come to Him through Christ. Reckon yourself dead to sin and alive in Christ and enjoy that "new life" smell all the time!! You deserve it! Peace!!

Well, that's about it. This is my bi-centennial post. And speaking of donations, I know you're probably wondering how to show your gratitude for this enlightening presentation. I get it and rather than complicate things, I've set up a number of ways for you to give back, and all for your convenience.

1. Use the "socks paypal" account to contribute to this important work. It's easy - go to paypal, find the "MoneyIsLikeLoveButCrisper" account and choose an amount. Think big. God doesn't like little thinkers. 

2. Kickstart donations - yep, you can fund my next Big Idea. And I've got some great ones! Get involved! It's not going to fund itself!

3. Send those love dollars directly to me, socks.
    Use my email account: TakeMyMoneyPleaseSocks@ReviveAndRestoreMySockDrawer.com

Peace out!!

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