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Rocky

Being gay is not ok... how TWI indoctrinates children against LGBT people

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"You’ve probably seen them picketing gay pride events and yelling at students on college campuses, but do you ever wonder where anti-gay crusaders come from? They don’t just pop into existence. In many cases, they were indoctrinated with those beliefs since childhood.

"One cult, known as The Way International, has been giving young kids propaganda demonizing the LGBT community since at least 1993. One reader, only identified here as “T.,” told me about her experiences growing up within that group...." (continued)

 

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Not only do I recognize that Heirs 

But the "Way of Holiness Walk Ye in it" song just popped into my head loud and clear

Must be decades since I thought of those

thank you

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3 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

Not only do I recognize that Heirs 

But the "Way of Holiness Walk Ye in it" song just popped into my head loud and clear

Must be decades since I thought of those

thank you

Bondage based on fictive interpretations of the bible. Ugh. I'm confident LGBTQ children weren't the only ones put into inappropriate mental and emotional bondage by that crap.

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3 hours ago, Rocky said:

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"You’ve probably seen them picketing gay pride events and yelling at students on college campuses, but do you ever wonder where anti-gay crusaders come from? They don’t just pop into existence. In many cases, they were indoctrinated with those beliefs since childhood.

"One cult, known as The Way International, has been giving young kids propaganda demonizing the LGBT community since at least 1993. One reader, only identified here as “T.,” told me about her experiences growing up within that group...." (continued)

 

Rocky, what Bullsheet!!  I don't live that lifestyle, but my understanding is that people are born that way.

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15 hours ago, Rocky said:

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"You’ve probably seen them picketing gay pride events and yelling at students on college campuses, but do you ever wonder where anti-gay crusaders come from? They don’t just pop into existence. In many cases, they were indoctrinated with those beliefs since childhood.

"One cult, known as The Way International, has been giving young kids propaganda demonizing the LGBT community since at least 1993. One reader, only identified here as “T.,” told me about her experiences growing up within that group...." (continued)

 

Yeah it looks like a comic book written by the Westboro Baptist Church.

Oh wait.

It's a comic book written by haters worse than the Westboro Baptist Church.

I personally have no issue with homosexual relationships.  I do however, have a problem with someone who is the 3rd President of the Way International and current Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Way International living in this fashion while being the head of an organization that publishes this kind of content.  The hypocrisy and double standards there mean that they don't themselves live what they require of others.  Double standards create circles of Pharisees within Pharisees.

But personally could care less about sexual orientation.  The most interesting couple at dinner last weekend was a lesbian couple, and also recently attended a gay lawyer friend's dedication party with his partner.  None of those people were living a double secret lifestyle.

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5 hours ago, chockfull said:

Yeah it looks like a comic book written by the Westboro Baptist Church.

Oh wait.

It's a comic book written by haters worse than the Westboro Baptist Church.

I personally have no issue with homosexual relationships.  I do however, have a problem with someone who is the 3rd President of the Way International and current Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Way International living in this fashion while being the head of an organization that publishes this kind of content.  The hypocrisy and double standards there mean that they don't themselves live what they require of others.  Double standards create circles of Pharisees within Pharisees.

But personally could care less about sexual orientation.  The most interesting couple at dinner last weekend was a lesbian couple, and also recently attended a gay lawyer friend's dedication party with his partner.  None of those people were living a double secret lifestyle.

Chock, bingo!  Officially TWI is against homosexuality,  but it's Chairman is a practicing lesbian??  I don't care which team people play on, but I think TWI is hypocritical, in saying one thing, but having its Chairman practice something else.

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10 hours ago, chockfull said:

I personally have no issue with homosexual relationships.  I do however, have a problem with someone who is the 3rd President of the Way International and current Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Way International living in this fashion while being the head of an organization that publishes this kind of content.  The hypocrisy and double standards there mean that they don't themselves live what they require of others.  Double standards create circles of Pharisees within Pharisees.

But personally could care less about sexual orientation.  The most interesting couple at dinner last weekend was a lesbian couple, and also recently attended a gay lawyer friend's dedication party with his partner.  None of those people were living a double secret lifestyle.

GSC has plenty of first hand record of the sexual indiscretions of Wierwille and Martindale. But what's the case regarding RFR? Is there anything more than innuendo?

Sometimes the innuendo is accurate, but if people are going to make claims like that about RFR, I'd be more comfortable if there was more tangible evidence to back it up.

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6 hours ago, Rocky said:

GSC has plenty of first hand record of the sexual indiscretions of Wierwille and Martindale. But what's the case regarding RFR? Is there anything more than innuendo?

Sometimes the innuendo is accurate, but if people are going to make claims like that about RFR, I'd be more comfortable if there was more tangible evidence to back it up.

Rocky, good for you.  However, not all of us feel that way.  You are entitled to your opinions, and beliefs, and the rest of us are entitled to ours'.

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52 minutes ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Rocky, good for you.  However, not all of us feel that way.  You are entitled to your opinions, and beliefs, and the rest of us are entitled to ours'.

Well, we already know that RFR tells people that GSC is full of lies about TWI. If she's asked for examples, unless there is tangible evidence, she'll point to claims that she and Donna have been in a long-term lesbian relationship. That doesn't help when people are wanting understanding of the reality of life in TWI.

Evidence isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of facts. I may believe the obvious about RFR and DM, but my belief doesn't make it fact.

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Today TWI and Westboro Baptist Church would not only picket me but would seek to do harm to me. I came out just over a year ago

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Interesting topic as here in Australia debate still rages on about a programme in schools called ' safe schools' programme. It started out as anti bullying in schools against lgbtq etc... but has ended up being caught out as a 'cover' for PROMOTING lgbtq etc...I guess everyone has their own agenda or cause in life. On television only last week two prominent Australian doctors srecialising in gender dysmorphia ( an unhappiness with ones gender ) stated in all their many years of dealing with pre- pubescent children who the parents thought were suffering from gender dysmorphia less than 10 percent still felt that way once they had gone through puberty...these under 10 percent teens went on to become gay. The media as always lead the general public to think it's more like 50/50 !!

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50 minutes ago, Thomas Loy Bumgarner said:

Today TWI and Westboro Baptist Church would not only picket me but would seek to do harm to me. I came out just over a year ago

Thomas, good for you honey!!

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I remember a Rock of Ages early 90s, where there was a parade of folks bearing posters with messages like "Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve" and other anti-homosexual messages.  There were - oh, a dozen or so - different messages.  I'd forgotten, but I reviewed a caseful of old photos and there were some from that Rock, that parade.

And anti homosexual?  Heck, you only had to hear Craig ranting on and on ... and on ... and on ...  My first year in rez, i thought he was never going to let up about this subject.  I know that's not teaching kids, but it is teaching their parents, and it is teaching potential twig coordinators who are going to go out and "oversee" twig members who themselves will have children in their orbits - their own children, their nephews, nieces, kids at school, etc.

I don't think the "trans" community came into it (much) - maybe a passing reference but nothing compared to the full-on histrionics against homosexuals.  Ironic, really.  When his wife lived with the Vice Prez of the ministry.

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2 minutes ago, Twinky said:

I remember a Rock of Ages early 90s, where there was a parade of folks bearing posters with messages like "Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve" and other anti-homosexual messages.  There were - oh, a dozen or so - different messages.  I'd forgotten, but I reviewed a caseful of old photos and there were some from that Rock, that parade.

And anti homosexual?  Heck, you only had to hear Craig ranting on and on ... and on ... and on ...  My first year in rez, i thought he was never going to let up about this subject.  I know that's not teaching kids, but it is teaching their parents, and it is teaching potential twig coordinators who are going to go out and "oversee" twig members who themselves will have children in their orbits - their own children, their nephews, nieces, kids at school, etc.

I don't think the "trans" community came into it (much) - maybe a passing reference but nothing compared to the full-on histrionics against homosexuals.  Ironic, really.  When his wife lived with the Vice Prez of the ministrcry.

Twinky, thanks for the information. I am so glad I left before Craig went off on gays.

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On 14/7/2017 at 11:08 PM, Rocky said:

GSC has plenty of first hand record of the sexual indiscretions of Wierwille and Martindale. But what's the case regarding RFR? Is there anything more than innuendo?

Sometimes the innuendo is accurate, but if people are going to make claims like that about RFR, I'd be more comfortable if there was more tangible evidence to back it up.

Strictly speaking, her renting a room to 2 lesbians who allegedly were "former" lesbians is proof of nothing in that regard.

Strictly speaking, her choosing to travel with Donna on trips and choosing to share a room with exactly 1 bed is proof of nothing- but by itself, it should be enough to raise suspicions.

However, the eyewitness account of one female poster a long time ago who walked in on them immediately "after" pretty much settles it. That completes the picture. If anyone's still questioning the situation after that, it's someone who REFUSES to consider what's before them.

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5 hours ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Twinky, thanks for the information. I am so glad I left before Craig went off on gays.

There's stuff in the Documents section.  I forget if there are both recordings of his as well as letters on the subject. One of the letters, however, mentioned that he'd be "happy" to kill gays in twi. (From the context, I can't clearly tell if that meant ONLY gays that considered themselves twi members, or all gays in general. I have speculation, but that's it.)

Ok, what we had was documents on the subject, not recordings. But the one lcm himself sent out is available on PDF.

Select "War declared on homosexuals with the way corps." You can download the PDF.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20060922182308/http://greasespotcafe.com:80/waydale/pdf-docs/pdf.html

 

Or just look at the excerpt.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20060622123001/http://greasespotcafe.com:80/waydale/html-docs/homo-excerpt.htm

I'll be redacting some of it, so you'll have to click on the link to get the explicit stuff.

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Excerpt from letter in July 1994 to the Way Corps declaring war on homosexuals. The author is Loy Craig Martindale - President of The Way International.

I'd like to say to you "closet" homosexuals in the corps household that you'd better run, because you cannot hide! If I have to personally take on every Corps fellowship in this country and world to smoke this out, then I will. You will be exposed and embarrassed and flushed; so you might as well make up your mind to get out now. Even you who are genuinely convicted of your terrible behavior and finally and genuinely want help, you will probably still be dropped from the Corps household because you have lied to God and me and your Corps brothers and sisters for so many years to justify your insane thinking and sneaky behavior. However, that is not the end of the world if you genuinely want help.....we could still allow you to be a part of Way Ministry fellowships, although not in the Corps household; and perhaps somewhere down the road you could do the Corps again and do it clean and proper and pure in your thinking.

Remember, the Word says that homos are the "lowest of the people," and that is certainly true. You female

[REDACTED]! You [REDACTED] men who still think that somehow you have the right to take the grace of God in vain might as well be [REDACTED]! That's the way I feel about you and your thoughts and your repugnancy. You are an abomination to God and the household of The Way Corps and The Way Ministry. You are detestable and despicable and repugnant and worthy of death. You are so far beyond saltiness that you are the ultimate illustration of being worthless and not even fit for the dunghill. You are liars to God and His Word and a total disgrace to everything God did in Jesus Christ to bring the Corps training to you. I want these

[REDACTED]

out of the Corps household! If you Corps on the field and in leadership responsibilities, starting with the clergy and our Limb coordinators, can't do it, then I will personally have to do it myself; but it will get done down to my last breath if that's what it takes! How dare you take the grace of God in vain, some of you, to think that you can continue to harbor homosexual fantasies and passions in your mind and soul. Do you think you're fooling God? Do you think you can keep fooling me? Eventually your thoughts will lead to your behavior, and have already. Some of us walk by the spirit of God, and if you give us time we will smoke your sorry asses out and bring degradation to your lives so that you can't hurt anybody in The Way Ministry again. You should be thankful you're not in the Old Testament times, because there are some of us who would gladly execute you."

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1 hour ago, WordWolf said:

Strictly speaking, her renting a room to 2 lesbians who allegedly were "former" lesbians is proof of nothing in that regard.

Strictly speaking, her choosing to travel with Donna on trips and choosing to share a room with exactly 1 bed is proof of nothing- but by itself, it should be enough to raise suspicions.

However, the eyewitness account of one female poster a long time ago who walked in on them immediately "after" pretty much settles it. That completes the picture. If anyone's still questioning the situation after that, it's someone who REFUSES to consider what's before them.

I appreciate and agree. It would be great if references to that could have links to those first hand records. Thanks. :)

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And the epistle is MUCH milder than the oral teaching, esp at Corps Nights.

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2 hours ago, WordWolf said:

Strictly speaking, her renting a room to 2 lesbians who allegedly were "former" lesbians is proof of nothing in that regard.

Strictly speaking, her choosing to travel with Donna on trips and choosing to share a room with exactly 1 bed is proof of nothing- but by itself, it should be enough to raise suspicions.

However, the eyewitness account of one female poster a long time ago who walked in on them immediately "after" pretty much settles it. That completes the picture. If anyone's still questioning the situation after that, it's someone who REFUSES to consider what's before them.

WW, thanks for your post!!  You said it so much better than I could have.  Thanks!!

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2 hours ago, WordWolf said:

There's stuff in the Documents section.  I forget if there are both recordings of his as well as letters on the subject. One of the letters, however, mentioned that he'd be "happy" to kill gays in twi. (From the context, I can't clearly tell if that meant ONLY gays that considered themselves twi members, or all gays in general. I have speculation, but that's it.)

Ok, what we had was documents on the subject, not recordings. But the one lcm himself sent out is available on PDF.

Select "War declared on homosexuals with the way corps." You can download the PDF.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20060922182308/http://greasespotcafe.com:80/waydale/pdf-docs/pdf.html

 

Or just look at the excerpt.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20060622123001/http://greasespotcafe.com:80/waydale/html-docs/homo-excerpt.htm

I'll be redacting some of it, so you'll have to click on the link to get the explicit stuff.

=========================================================

Excerpt from letter in July 1994 to the Way Corps declaring war on homosexuals. The author is Loy Craig Martindale - President of The Way International.

I'd like to say to you "closet" homosexuals in the corps household that you'd better run, because you cannot hide! If I have to personally take on every Corps fellowship in this country and world to smoke this out, then I will. You will be exposed and embarrassed and flushed; so you might as well make up your mind to get out now. Even you who are genuinely convicted of your terrible behavior and finally and genuinely want help, you will probably still be dropped from the Corps household because you have lied to God and me and your Corps brothers and sisters for so many years to justify your insane thinking and sneaky behavior. However, that is not the end of the world if you genuinely want help.....we could still allow you to be a part of Way Ministry fellowships, although not in the Corps household; and perhaps somewhere down the road you could do the Corps again and do it clean and proper and pure in your thinking.

Remember, the Word says that homos are the "lowest of the people," and that is certainly true. You female

[REDACTED]! You [REDACTED] men who still think that somehow you have the right to take the grace of God in vain might as well be [REDACTED]! That's the way I feel about you and your thoughts and your repugnancy. You are an abomination to God and the household of The Way Corps and The Way Ministry. You are detestable and despicable and repugnant and worthy of death. You are so far beyond saltiness that you are the ultimate illustration of being worthless and not even fit for the dunghill. You are liars to God and His Word and a total disgrace to everything God did in Jesus Christ to bring the Corps training to you. I want these

[REDACTED]

out of the Corps household! If you Corps on the field and in leadership responsibilities, starting with the clergy and our Limb coordinators, can't do it, then I will personally have to do it myself; but it will get done down to my last breath if that's what it takes! How dare you take the grace of God in vain, some of you, to think that you can continue to harbor homosexual fantasies and passions in your mind and soul. Do you think you're fooling God? Do you think you can keep fooling me? Eventually your thoughts will lead to your behavior, and have already. Some of us walk by the spirit of God, and if you give us time we will smoke your sorry asses out and bring degradation to your lives so that you can't hurt anybody in The Way Ministry again. You should be thankful you're not in the Old Testament times, because there are some of us who would gladly execute you."

WW, I think Craig is a POS.  All the S--t he did with the women in TWI that was illegal, and immortal, and he had the nerve to go after gays??!!  F-him!!

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No , please don't, Grace.  Don't f-him. :evilshades:

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39 minutes ago, Twinky said:

No , please don't, Grace.  Don't f-him. :evilshades:

Twinky, since you are so nice, I won't!!

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any more potty mouth stuff like that again and I'm calling a Grease Spot Moderator  !

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T-Bone, you crack me up!!! :biglaugh:

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