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Home  Radio Episode 8 - Dr John Juedes Part 2 Transcript
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Episode 8 - Dr John Juedes Part 2 Transcript |
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Dr. Juedes: And I can see why the hopelessness would be there. It’s despair as a result of a deep loss, you know, it’s not just the loss of not wanting to be attached to this organization anymore or not subscribing to these tapes or something like that. It’s a real deep loss.
Pawtucket: Right.
Dr. Juedes: It’s a loss of trust in your leadership and by extension, a loss of trust in God who is supposed to be active in the leadership. It’s a reorientation knowing that there’s something deeply wrong here and it probably is a lot of things, I mean it’s what I’ve been taught, what I’ve absorbed as far as my way of believing and my way of relating or my way of fellowshipping, all this kind of stuff. You know, so there are some real deep losses and I think that feeling of despair or hopelessness is what comes out of that and the more those things had meant something to you, the deeper the feeling of loss and the deeper feeling of despair is going to be there.
Now you know with any kind of loss, you know there are different emotions you go through and kind of a process of dealing with that. Of course, some people never do deal with the loss that they have and they’re just destroyed by it forever. You know, others learn how to deal with that a little better and if you’re able to adapt and reorient it can be a strengthening thing. I don’t think the hurt ever goes away completely, but it certainly is healed to some degree and replaced to some degree. So probably the people who had been most invested and most looked up to in CES and its leadership, are those that are going to have that most deeply. But even peripheral people will, you know, kind of like the controversy in the Catholic church over pedophiles among the priests.
The people who the church means most to probably feel the deepest, but there’s also a whole lot of peripheral Catholics who only show up on you know, Christmas and Easter, who also are affected by that. So there’s a lot of fallout that comes from that. But the good news is that you can deal with that, you know, you can accept the loss and rebuild and find a sense of hope again and a sense of restoration to one degree or another and then build something better to replace the structure that’s been knocked down or seemed to be full of termites or whatever.
So I encourage people to take a step back and to go back to the basics of devotion to the Lord or you might say a simpler, more childlike faith in a sense. In a sense you’re kind of regressing, but it’s often a necessary step to reorient. Kind of like retracing your steps if you’ve been walking in one direction for a while.
Pawtucket: Right. One thing that maybe we can, oh yes, here it is. Accepting God’s grace and this applies as much to CES as it does to TWI, let me read this thing that you wrote. This was actually in ’98. “TWI mouths the importance of God’s grace and forgiveness to salvation. This is good to a point. However, TWI as a system is extremely legalistic and grace and acceptance is hard to find in TWI. Regimentation, not Christian freedom, is the rule. Everyone is expected to fall lockstep in line behind leadership. Do it now or else. Fear, orders, confrontation, punishment are the rule. Leaders are strong on confrontation, but weak in understanding, acceptance and patience. God isn’t like this. God accepts us as we are even when we are weak on believing and when we fail. God won’t spit in our direction. That much is true. God comes with arms of love and hands full of gifts, even when we don’t earn it by our believing and obedience. He is merciful treating us far better than we can deserve, hope, or imagine. God isn’t a Way taskmaster, but a Shepard who takes us up in his arms and is so gentle, who wouldn’t even snuff out a smoldering wick or break off a battered reed. Grace and refreshing freedom awaits you outside of TWI. “ I love that.
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