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Episode 8 - Dr John Juedes Part 2 Transcript |
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Dr. Juedes: You know, they looked at themselves as being radically different from The Way, but anyone from the outside would look at them and say, Fraternal twins, you know. (Laughs)
Pawtucket: (Laughs)
Dr. Juedes: So there needs to be some real careful re-evaluating there and maybe being a little more distant from it. Some people are a little more distant from it maybe able to do that more easily. Outside of that, you know, the mechanisms you see on the surface, I mean, the accountability concept is probably also really a theology or a belief that’s underneath some things, but the things you most get upset about are really just mechanisms, you know, letters written to fellowships, you know, things like written prophecies, isolating people, threatening jobs, those kinds of things are just mechanisms or tactics, but it’s the underlying assumptions or beliefs that are going to crop up again unless they’re cut out of there.
And I don’t know if you’d call it a belief, but you see phrases in certain of the documents or certain people who’ve been in things like, ‘protecting the ministry’, or –
Pawtucket: (Laughs) I was just thinking of that.
Dr. Juedes: You’ve heard it before, right?
Pawtucket: Oh yeah.
Dr. Juedes: Or ‘prophetic council’ or the ‘multitude of counselors’, which is really just a few board of directors. These things really alert you to a basic assumption is that this hierarchy for lack of a better term, this ministry, is more important than the people that they serve and you kind of eluded to that before too. You know, that’s a basic assumption or belief and you can replace the president of CES, you know, The Way did right, and what happened? Well, if you replace the president and have the same structures or beliefs underneath it, you’re not likely to get much improvement.
Pawtucket: Right.
Dr. Juedes: So there is some serious thinking to be done in the aftermath of this and some close evaluation that goes beneath the surface and beneath the personalities and beneath the actions to really the assumptions that underlie that.
Pawtucket: Thank you. I appreciate your time. I really do.
Dr. Juedes: It’s been nice visiting with you.
Pawtucket: Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Juedes: My tendency is always towards writing, but you know, conversations like this are real helpful, aren’t they?
Pawtucket: Yes. Yeah.
Dr. Juedes: Get your thought processes running and little insights here and there that wouldn’t come up in other ways.
Pawtucket: Right. Right. Well good.
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