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  1. Required of whom? Required by whom? In the context of Judeo-Christian ethics and traditions, Taxidev provides a succinct an accurate answer. In the context of TWI, which is a swirling sea of bull$hit and error, Twinky and Bolshevik also delivered with concision and accuracy.
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  2. Fine. Total Recall? George
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  3. I don't blame you or T-Bone. I actually got through about 7 minutes of the first linked video. It's ALL bull$hit. In that 7 minutes he says, actually, nothing other than nonsense that can only now be reasonably interpreted as working to hypnotize his audience. He's aiming a firehouse of BS at the audience to mesmerize all viewers/listeners. "I am SOOOO grateful to Almighty Gawd for the privilege..." blah blah blah.
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  4. I don’t know about the videos Nathan_Jr posted a link to – I watched less than 1 minute of it and couldn’t take anymore – but if you (Rocky) are talking about Adam and Eve and the Serpent and the trees part of CF&S class – I do remember a section of that class which in my opinion was wierwille’s piece de resistance of promiscuity…in one of his most bizarre and twisted interpretations of Genesis 3 saying the original sin was masturbation. wierwille elaborated on the imagery of fruit in the midst of the garden and tree of knowledge of good and evil as being an allusion to genitalia and especially the penis – and I vaguely remember him referring to a healing in the gospels where as the person’s sight was being restored the person said they see men walking as trees. I'm embarrassed to admit in my cult-daze it all made sense to me …funny - if you believe the original sin was Adam and Eve masturbating – it puts Genesis 3:22 in a whole new light: And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” ...also makes me think of that old phrase 'one hand doesn't know what the other one is doing'. And now it’s all coming together - wierwille did teach us to be jerks It is noteworthy just how malleable the Bible can be in the deceitful hands of someone leading a harmful and controlling cult…and talk about hiding a sexual predator in plain sight… What qualified wierwille to teach about the Bible, the Christian Family and sex? It’s about like asking Jeffrey Dahmer to teach a class on humanitarianism . Btw, Nathan, I don’t know if you’ve read this whole thread – but if not - let me point out 2 relevant posts on this point - there is a Dec. 3rd, 2017, post by Don’t Worry Be Happy that mentions wierwille showing that bestiality video in a live CF&S Camp in 1973…a few posts before Don’t Worry’s – I mentioned wierwille showing the porno to our family corps – there were teens present !… here > Family corps with teens + video porn .
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  5. Not sure God will heal with just a tithe. Might not start until abundantly sharing or plurality giving. Less than abundant sharing is the tithe, and for that God won't send you his spit, if I remember correctly. I'm assuming God's spit is what heals. Just rub it in. So short answer is no.
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  6. I was intrigued by this same issue, and so did some research on it. Some of my work is based on research by Ernest L. Martin (his work here), and some is from what I worked on my own. Following is a summary of what I found. The Mosaic Law was very specific, the aspect of the tithe being no different. The tithe was instituted so that the tribe of Levi would be supported because they owned no property and could not raise crops or livestock. If you read the details of the tithe you'll see it specifies crops and animals. These tithes were to be brought to the Temple in Jerusalem and put into the storehouse. This was modified slightly, but basically that was it. In Malachi there is a description of them NOT doing this. There is no mention of contributing money even though there was money then; some people did work for money. The only time money is involved is if the person lives so far away from the Temple that it would be impractical to bring the animal or crop tithe. In that case, they were to sell their tithe, travel to the Temple, and then purchase the proper tithe. That was what the money changers, the ones Jesus drove out and threw down their tables, were there for. An important detail that is often missed or ignored was that this was for the nation of Israel only, not for the gentiles. In the new testament Paul never mentions the tithe. The monetary sharing among the believers was on a local level, to those that had need. At one point Paul does help gather a large sharing for Jerusalem from among the believers in Corinth and the surrounding area, because there was a famine in Israel. This is done only once, and it is not referred to as a tithe. There is actually less validity today for the tithe than there is for honoring the Passover. That's because the Passover meal isn't dependent on any conditions, so for a person still following the law honoring the Passover is okay. But the tithe is dependent on conditions. There is no longer a tribe of Levi conducting religious work at the Temple - there is no Temple. So to tithe as described in the Mosaic law is actually illegal today because there is no way to send it to the Temple. I hope this helps.
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  7. Look around you. Do you see people who have been healed? Yes, you do. How many of those "tithe" to TWI? Vanishingly few, if not to say, none. Tithing is another issue and healing is not dependent upon it (even if TWI claimed it was). I'm reminded that Jesus told us to love the lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, not with just 10% of our being. We are to acknowledge him in all our ways, not just some of them. Even so, we have fallible bodies: people (including great Christians) still get sick; all die, eventually. What we do have, as Christians, is the peace of God in our hearts, that will strengthen us through all perils, dangers, evils, sicknesses.
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