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Nor I.  

Congratulations and best wishes to them for their future success (which is assured now that they are out).     
You're right - - we do know the feeling all to well.   Traumatic at first - - but the freedom quickly grows on you.  

He was one of a kind.  May he R.I.P.

The Beat Goes On

On 7/22/2017 at 7:07 PM, rrobs said:

1 Cor 13:13,

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Faith heals (Matt 9:22, Acts 3:16, Acts 14:9, et. al.), sins forgiven (Matt 9:2), hearts purified (Acts 15:9),  moves mountains (Matt 17:20), it justifies (Rom 3:26), and much, much more. Bottom line; faith is a wonderful thing to have. It enables all born again believers to receive into manifestation all the  things God has made available to them.

Hope is pretty good too. Let’s face it, things don’t always go the way we’d like them to go. Life can be cruel indeed, despite our best efforts to believe God. But if you have the hope of Christ’s return and his setting up the new heavens and new earth, then those days are fewer and less intense. This world is not fair, nor will it ever be fair. Sometimes, terrible things happen that you don’t deserve. The reality; it can’t be helped in this world. So looking ahead gives comfort and peace. So hope, along with faith, is a very good thing God gave us in his word.

But as good as faith and hope are, according to 1 Cor 13:13, charity (agape) is the greatest. What makes is it that is greater than faith and hope? That is the subject of the first 12 verses of 1 Corinthians 13, and is worth a read.

Here is the crux of the matter;

1 Jn 4:10-11: "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another."

Does this mean you should love even those brothers who disagree with your doctrine? Absolutely. “One another” is pretty simple. That is who God exhorts you to love. There are no conditions attached in these verses.

The standard for that?

Col 3:13: "Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye."

What did Christ forgive you of? Anything less than the next guy? Have you, who have been wronged, never wrong somebody else? We all do the same things in the flesh (Rom 2:1). 

It’s hard to do with some believers, but God clearly wants his children to love and forgive each other. No point in trying to come up with reasons to not love this brother or that brother. It’s patently against God’s will. Better to not ask questions, just love and forgive.

 

All right.  That there is the original post/ and I've read purt near every response to it and about it in this entire thread.  I might've missed one or two, but suffice it to say - - I have the "jist" of what  this all talking about.

rrobs  -- you're quoting scripture.  Nothing wrong with that - - but then (imo) you add your own  "commentary/ preaching/ etc." mandating that we (and supposedly all of human kind) have to think like you do.  I could go to any Baptist/ Catholic/ Pentecostal/ Mormon/ Presbyterian/ JW congregation/  etc./ etc./ etc./ church and gotten the exact same message from "the pulpit" saying "GO THOU AND BELIEVE LIKE US ".   In my job, I have to deal with a LOT OF detrimental things that happen, both physically and mentally.  Some can be forgiven outright, and others have consequences that need to be dealt with forcefully.  I Am of the opinion that you are failing to see the "forceful" side  of forgiveness, such as is mandated by scripture.

Mike -- - It's good to "see" you again. 
It's starting to be like the old times here on the GSC.  

- - - - > > >  I wanted to delete this post, but it looks like I can't.   

On 11/6/2017 at 9:37 AM, Infoabsorption said:

Could someone elaborate on this? I had no idea there was an attempt to re-film PFAL.

 Yes - - it was originally advertised and promoted as a re-filming for a "new and improved with a modern look to it" class for us to peddle to the masses.  I also was there (I almost put the word "also" after the word "there" instead of "I", but caught myself in time in order to be correct according to Bullinger and the proper placement of the word "also"), and it was evident after just the first few minutes of session 1 - -  that things were not going as planned.  Docvic tried to recite all the lines verbatim from the original class, and he failed completely.

The folks who were all attending PFAL 77, were staying in student dorms there on campus.  We were all put into twigs according to our housing assignments and   once the disaster of Day 1/ Session 1 of the event took place, it didn't take long at all for our twig leader to tell us that "things had changed" and that this class was no longer a re-filming to make over the class for all to see - - but that it was "just for us".  I look back on that nowadays and think B as in B and S as in S - - but back then I bought the story hook, line, and sinker, even after seeing Docvic's PAINFUL attempt trying to "teach" that first day.  My memory isn't as good as it was 30 years ago, but that there is what I remember of the "re-making" of PFAL in '77.

P.S. - -  In each of our dorm rooms there was a Jade plant for us to take home, along with a 35th anniversary commemorative plate.  The Jade plant supposedly signifies longevity.  Well -- I brought mine home after the class, and it died long ago (just like my affiliation with twi).  But I do still have the 35th anniversary plate. 
Does anyone want it??    
 

34 minutes ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Excuse me??  David, I don't have an ax to grind; F-off! 

My - my - my - - Anything you say  Ms. B****.   I aim to please!!        

On 8/19/2017 at 1:31 AM, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Mike, if others want to listen to it, that's fine.  I'm not going to waste my time listening to it.

Grace - - what are you trying to do here???  This thread was started 15 years ago, and the last post to it was 7 years ago until you decided to "stir the pot". After 30+ pages of opinion - - yours is hardly needed (these days) to add to what has already been said.  If you are so ....ed off at docvic and his teachings and the class (as many of us are) - - start your own thread and see how many pages you generate from it.  Mike has his opinion that many of us here accept as being HIS OPINION, and even though we disagree - - we respect him for his opinion.  You (on the other hand) sound like you don't, and have an ax to grind as well.

excathedra has a copy of Jim Doop's book.  Back many years ago here on GSC - - she told me how he gave it to her and she hung onto it,  She always thought she should share it with the GSC community, but wasn't willing to let go of it.  I offered to pay her for it being photo-copied so I (and others) could read it too. She thought that a good idea, but she never got back to me about it, and since then she has disappeared from the GSC and I haven't heard from her since..  The last time I had contact with her was 2009.

http://www.startribune.com/inmate-charged-with-severely-beating-victor-barnard/417697833/

T-Bone.  You just absolutely floored me with that video showcasing something I thought i would never see.  I have Never/ Never/ (NOT ONCE EVER) seen Sam wearing a suit and tie until this video tonight.  He shows up at my home town of Bloomington Indiana occasionally to do shows/ concerts at the IU Music Auditorium with folks like Edgar Meyer and  Mark O'Connor, and Mom sends pictures from the local paper to me because she knows I'm interested..  In those pictures of the concerts, Sam actually has tucked his shirt into his pants, and I joke with her "It must be a formal concert, eh?  He has his shirt tucked in."  I never thought I'd see the day where he was wearing a suit and tie.  Wow!

I just LOVE listening to Sam Bush "kicking @ss and taking names" with his fiddle or mandolin

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1 hour ago, krys said:

Thanks, David. How did you do that?

When you're looking at the youtube video you want to share, look below the video to where it says 

"Share/ Embed/ Email".  Click on Share, and then copy the code that pops up.

In the case of this video - - I clicked on share, and htt ps//:youtu.be/8nldGugymY showed up.

I copied that and pasted it here, and it shows up as a video.  

27 minutes ago, krys said:

This going to be a huge change of pace.  For.a long time this was my all time favorite song.  In some ways, it still is.  (sorry - - couldn't get the picture to load)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nIdGutgymY

speaking of no "whammy bars" - - - -
 

In memory of your bass playing friends, DWBH.

Am sorry to read this. I only knew him from here at the GSC.

May he R.I.P. My condolences to family and friends.

Docvic talked about Jonestown at AC 79. If I recollect correct, he made veiled references about it being "more than what the media is telling us" (or something along those lines with guns being involved as well as the kool-aid). He insinuated that he was able to find this out when the rest of the world was left in the dark. How ?? - - I don't know. Maybe he got Word of Knowledge, and the Word of Wisdom following was to share that tidbit with all of us there. After all - - it WAS the Advanced Class 1979. Don't quote me on any of this here, because this all took place 36 years ago and my memory isn't the best. But when shortfuse mentioned this topic - - these thoughts immediately came to mind (Hmmmm - - perhaps "First thought???)

Refiner was a good guy. He somehow found us here/ ruffled a few feathers with his posts during his tenure at GSC/ and introduced a bunch of us to the ex-JW community as well as them to us. He was one of a kind and he and I kept in contact after he left here for several more years up to the end. May he R.I.P, and my condolences to his wife and family.

It's been 15 years now, and good ride.

Thanks for everything, Paw.

Your advice is appreciated. I have juiciey TWI stuff but that ain't why I am here, I am looking for some intercourse on Biblical stuff. It seems that if I don't crap on TWI or the STF than nobody cares. It's just pretty much a bitch site and folks are not really focused on the word. I think that I made a mistake coming here for discussion on the things that matter.

You don't have to "crap on TWI or STF" to get your questions answered here.

Posted 23 March 2015 - 03:28 AM

Posted 23 March 2015 - 03:28 AM

Dan Gallagher. just informed me via email from STF that John Lynn is no longer with STF (Dan G. and I are not old aquantenances), this was because I was asking a question and the information was inadvertant. I responded back asking for some details - anyone out there know anything else. And by the way, I hope this has nothing to do with John A. Lynns' health.

You must've been "out of the loop for a while, eh? I've got letters from DG/ JAL/ MG/ JS/

(and a couple of others from "headquarters" there) dated from way back in 2005 about their "problems".

You're kidding right?? How could old Docvic be "spotlighted"?

Didn't they "trash his class" and replace it with something different?

PFAL was supposed to be "Rev from on High" - - or so I was told.

No, and I won't. Good luck to the campaign though. The husband of a good friend of mine died from ALS and I hope they find a cure. I don't donate to that or Jerry Lewis' MDA thing either because I figure they have enough "high power" givers nationwide. There's a lot of small time charities here in town that don't get the recognition like the "big time" causes do, and they need money and funds too. I do my best to shop local, and donate local.