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Hi!

In CFF web site they have a video: "A call to India, Marcho 2005" http://www.cffm.org/doc/2005india_presentation.shtml, is like the old VPW trip to India. In it appears John Shroyer. In the internet just exist TWI splinters web sites but no TWI International Outreach countries.

I found this link to the Way in India, it said that it is from Joseph Vedras –Way Corps 1986-1991. In TWM of sep/October 1981 TWI coordinator for India was Sangat Bains but in the May/June magazine of 2001 They Just recognize work in this countries Angola, Argentina; Australia, Belgium, Benin, Canada, Cile, Colombia, Congo, Cote dÍvoire, Democratic Republic of the Congo (Zaire), Dominican Republic, El Salvador, France, -Gabon, Germany, Guam, Italy, Mexico, New Zeland, Niger, Peru, Philipines, Portugal, Saint Lucia, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, United Kingdom, U.S. Virgin Islands, Venezuela. But not India. http://wayindia.org

Lint to vpw free teachings by Eduardo Di noto (9 Corps) http://www.palabrasobreelmundo.com.ar/Dr.html http://www.palabrasobreelmundo.com.ar/Dr.html

I found a "Christian forum" in Spanish in which they talk about TWI, some said that they are very blessed for the doctrine taught by VPW and RC and that RC is the man of god, the same as LCM but in south America, they use the mark and about thing to maintain control, and promote sex for the poor man of God can be concentrated. Is really weird because the do not know what had happened with TWI during the last 25 years. Maybe they think that VPW is alive running the ministry up until today. Also they do not know who is LCM. Hi, and happy new year for all.

There is a guy in Argentina that said that RC continue to promote sex outside marriage, that they have big parties, like VPW told him, what do you think about that. The geer´s splinters continue to do that?

This is sad and is the real never ending story. But is a free world. Happy new year for all.

Ah, okey. thank you.

Hi... Did the really dismiss him (JL)? Do to that old revelation and about his second wife?

I am with you oldiesman, one thing is one thing, and the other is the other.

Matthew 13:24-30 (New International Version) The Parable of the Weeds 24Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. 27"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' 28" 'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?' 29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "

I agree with oldiesman the main problem was not the administrations but VPW. Also Jesus Christ made us free (Romans 10:9 and 10) and nothing changes that, and TWI teaches us to live the Word, to not sin. Also sex out marriage was confronted in many categories, also from LCM, he confronted the teens that had sex during the Rock of Ages 94 and during the Rock 95 every body was watching to avoid this sin. Many way followers did not know about what really happened with Chris Geer, why they were confronting the board of trusties of that time. For example we in Mexico Just know that the ministry has divided because the Board was not living the word. Just that, no more explanations. What opens the problem was the Internet and LCM sues. WayDayle, Greasespot and also John Lynn Letter. John Schoenheit paper. VPW thought that you can have rightly dividing of the word in one category and be wrong in other. The baby and the bath water of John Lynn. We can not dismiss all TWI theology just because VPW was devil spirit possessed, or Bullinger and Leonard and the other were also sexual predators? No. Rosie Riverbark was just as close to VPW as LCM. But we do not know if she has sex with him or with LCM or with other, or if she promotes these things. We know that she confront LCM about that. Or maybe she does and thats why she has now more guy in the board to meet theír sexual needs and live TWI sex doctrine.

Very good Doctor, I like it. Very direct, but also very hard for us. Because you do not give an opportunity to the Way theology. Is bad a very bad theology.

The books by John Lynn, John Schoenheit & Mark G. http://stfonlinestore.com/index.asp?PageAc...&Category=3 The Book by Larry Panarello. The True Justice of a Just God: Discovering God's Redemptive Plan for Mankind The book by Chris Geer Walking in God's Power at amazon.co.uk The Advanced Class on Power for Abundant Living (Paperback)

The main problem is the doctrine the rightly dividing of God´s Word, the commitment to It is written! And that you help the people giving them the Word the they have to believe. In my first foundational class one of the other students was a diabetic homeless woman who ask for money at the door of the catholic church of the neigbourghood a very poor one. She has no legs. She really was in bad conditions, dirty, the class did not change her life she dies a few months later. But she born again. And now she is waiting the return of Jesus Christ.

You are not alone, we are with you Tzaia. And we understand. God bless you.

"CFF consists mostly of persons who were ousted or left during the presidency of L. Craig Martindale who employed very vigorous and copious "mark and avoidings." Many were ousted due to confronting the sexual immorality of LCM and others. Some say that CFF consists of evil and/or misguided people who were unfaithful to the Word and the ministry that taught them the Word. Others say these were the brave souls who stood up and spoke up and got persecuted WITHIN the Church and that the adversary systematically influenced LCM to rid the ministry of those who could have done it the most good". But not just CFF all the splinters are the same in some for or other.

I think that all the grads should be moving the Word together. Maybe in a Confederation or National or International Convention of Unitarian churches or ministries. What ever with a counsel were the mini mans of god may rotate the presidency. The two guys that caused the division LCM and the other stupid Chris Geer are very out of every thing by now. So I think that is time that the positions and the egos find a way to be closer among brothers. 1 Corinthians 3 (King James Version) 1 Corinthians 3 1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. 10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

No, the way has not changed. LCM follows the steps of VPW, but he just modernizes the teachings. After he draw the line in 1989 and dismiss the leadership that did not want to obey him, he changed all the classes, for example the class of dealing with the Adversary was changed for Defeating the Adversary by LCM. Later in 1995 he started filming the Way of Abundance and Power foundational, Intermediate and Advanced classes. But the teachings are the same, Jesus Christ is not God, the dead are dead, abundantly sharing 10% minimum, fellowship and teaching three time a week. The Law of Believing. Speaking in Tongues. http://www.pfo.org/waypurge.htm http://empirenet.com/~messiah7/rsr_newWap.htm

From the thousands of PFAL grads how may are Way Corps? I found a link that said: "The Way College of Biblical Research was used for 20 years to teach The Way International's leadership program, with nearly 6,000 students and staff being housed there between 1977 and 1997". http://www.kpcnews.net/special-sections/re...lections36.html but how many do you think finished the program?

Well Mark, after LCM drew the line, Ricardo returns to Argentina and started to coordinate all the latin American Countries, from Mexico to Argentina. I took my first PFAL class in 1990, the tape class by Gary Curtis (1st Way Corps) and until 1993 Ricardo Caballero send teaching tapes from Argentina. Later they modified the intermediate class and add teachings from Ricardo to the class. Around that time he got divorced and Su his wife returned to TWI and she was assigned as the country coordinator of Argentina. In latin America two countries have Way Corps training program Venezuela and Argentina. In both the Word grew a lot. This link is of the right hand of Ricardo, Eduardo Di Noto. http://www.palabrasobreelmundo.com.ar

Somebady now about him or he is the popular Dr. John Towsend? http://www.cloudtownsend.com/

Hi, Ham. God Bless you and thank you.

Every day all this is more weird!

Does the Craigers follow the steps of Vince Finnegan, John Lynn, Chris Geer?