T-Bone

Hi Grease Spotters !

This is my last post. The Grease Spot Café is extremely helpful for anyone who wants to be free of the harmful and controlling cult, The Way International. And not just to be clear of their physical influence but also unencumbered by their twisted ideology. One must also unravel the insidious nature of their doctrine and practice that becomes embedded in the mind. I was unaware of the intellectual and emotional baggage that had festered – even after I had left the cult - - until  I came to The Grease Spot Café.

By my own estimate, I think I overstayed my welcome here by about 16 years.

I’ve come to realize I have not always kept my wits about me - and often   my  participation here has brought out the worst in me.

For me – and I can’t emphasize this enough – for me -  The Grease Spot Café became a rabbit hole. For me it developed into an intricate and convoluted labyrinth of assorted feedback and I let it take up way too much of my time trying to sort through options and possible resolutions.

I wish everyone well.

Sincerely

T-Bone

145. Alien civilizations could use the “principles” of PFAL against us.

On board the Totally Weird Intergalactic Gig:

TWIG coordinator Phake Dawctor So Unt So says to his / hers / its pseudo-science officer, Pee Awful Grad Left-Bak,

“Pee Awful, progress report on checklist, please.”

Pee Awful Grad Left-Bak, who always did everything with a mathematical exactness and scientific precision - licked his / hers / its thin green-card-ish alien lips and acting real otherworldly says, while at the same time and simultaneously genuflecting and saluting with the official gesture of respect and acknowledgment - - making the sign of the cross five times – once in the middle of his / hers /its  alien being and then four more times – once on each of his / hers / its  four extraterrestrial shoulders,

“Most honorable TWIG coordinator Phake Dawctor So Unt So sir / ma’am / object of worship,

Phase 1. Find out what is available has been completed!

Phase 2. How to retrieve it is in progress – tractor beam has the earth creature almost fifty percent uploaded.

I am accessing The Greatest Secret in the Cosmos Today Textbook to see details of

Phase 3. What to do with it after you’ve got it.”

1 hour ago, Charity said:

Hmm - let me see, I get to

- lack nothing

- lie down in green pastures

- be lead beside the still waters

- have my soul restored

- be lead in the paths of righteousness

- walk through the valley of the shadow of death without having fear of evil

- be comforted by his rod and his staff

- sit at a table prepared for me in the presence of mine enemies

- have my head anointed with oil

- have my cup running over

- assuredly have goodness and mercy follow me all the days of my life

- (last but not least) dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

I think you're right T-Bone - this does describe the more abundant life .  Hand me the green card where I can sign up for all this .

Funny you should put it that way, Charity.

One time this wonderful ‘revelation’ hit me when a Grease Spotter quoted that Psalm. And that’s all they did – no commentary –  no  tie-in  to some point they were trying to make…they just quoted the entire Psalm…Now, how many times has Psalm 23 been quoted or referred to on Grease Spot Café? Hundreds if not thousands.

At the time, I was having one of those cult-survivor spells of feeling overwhelmed with the task of unpacking more of that mental and emotional baggage from my TWI experience and wishing I could have a professional therapist present every time I go through this tedious task. And that’s when  Psalm 23:1  hit me like a Saul-on-his-high-horse-bound-for-Damascus-moment. (FYI – I like to go to the movies when I describe my internal issues – I am like Stephen Spielberg in my own  right   mind    ). The Lord is MY shepherd – He is  ALAWAYS WITH  ME – I lack nothing in terms of needing a qualified therapist – who knows me better than I know myself.

Your quip of signing up for that with the green card made me laugh and reminded me of the the Absent Christ? thread  , a discussion on how wierwille’s insidious maxim the Word takes the place of the absent Christ had eclipsed…or maybe  sabotaged a Christian’s efforts to pursue a genuine and transformative relationship with our living Lord and ever present Savior Jesus Christ.

from PFAL one could  ‘reason’  the Bible interprets itself – I wonder if pseudo-science interprets itself.

8 hours ago, chockfull said:

Ah yes the Mystery!  This is that concept where Jews and Gentiles are together with one Lord and Savior and together in one body of Christ.

Except - 

1. Did they take “the class” yet?  If not they need to to really really be a part

There are two kinds of people in this world.

People who take the PFAL class and there's people who don't.

I have lost the will to read the collaterals

3 hours ago, chockfull said:

Ah yes the Mystery!  This is that concept where Jews and Gentiles are together with one Lord and Savior and together in one body of Christ.

Except - 

1. Did they take “the class” yet?  If not they need to to really really be a part

2. All the heads of denominations are seed of the serpent and devil spirit influenced so don’t go to any of their churches, collaborate with them, have joint ministries with them, give them any money, or do anything other than witness to them the greatness of this “class”

3. If you are in debt you aren’t really really ready to fully fellowship with them

4. Any of their “causes” are second rate causes where the first rate cause is giving to TWI to support Craig’s pension, insurance payoffs from misconduct, Rosalie’s housekeepers, molten metal statues of VP for desks and lobbies, and keeping Gunnison open for like 100 people a year to visit but make sure “bless patrol “ is fully staffed to keep others including Christians out.

5.  The Ways investment arm - like the Mormon church they make money from your money.

6. Militant inspired leadership training - the “Way Corps”

7. Weekly phone hookups where you dress up and play audience

8.  Highly controlled “manifestations” where they are the only people who do them accurately.

9. The law of believing that works for saint and sinner alike except the saints get more blame for “not believing” enough.

10. Conspiracy theory at the Advanced Class

11. A top leadership body that listens to and is accountable to nobody on earth.

Isn’t it great that we now have the Great Mystery revealed in our day and time?

/s  (sarcasm flag)

The biggest mystery to me is why I put up with all that bullshonta for multiple decades of my life.  Experience a release from that mystery and vote with your feet.  Then the mystery of the scriptures with all nations and former persuasions being united in one body of Christ will become actually alive to you.

 

Great post, Chockfull !!!!!!

Gnosticism-like ideas were a distinct element in wierwille’s ideology - it seems rather obvious to me now that anything in the Bible that spoke of a mystery, or verses that could be misinterpreted to teach there was some secret knowledge available only to the fully initiated , afforded wierwille a great springboard to add impetus to promote his delusions, and exercise control over followers.

Yeah obvious to me NOW. But from 1974 to 1986 I bought into his delusions- hook, line and sinker. 

144.  following the "principles" of PFAL leads to a life of discontentment.

wierwille uses this proof-text to give reason for chasing after material abundance:

New King James Version
The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly… John 10:10

HOWEVER

The author of Ecclesiastes said one who pursues abundance will never be satisfied.

New King James Version
He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver; Nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity…. Ecclesiastes 5:10

Perhaps David in the OT already clarified the abundance Jesus would bring:

The LORD is my shepherd, I lack nothing… Psalm 23:1 NIV

3 hours ago, Mike said:

 

Late EDIT:

 

 

So sorry WW.  I was wrong on many points below.  Both my reading and writing were distorted. I’m glad I caught it after a rest.

 

 

Poetic License Excuse: I was lost in the jungle of nuances and memory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please tell me how I can call this a terrible distortion?

I see it as a diabolical lie.

Please go back to that thread and see it was not what is characterized above at all!   How could you get it so incorrect?

First of all I was comparing every day life's miracle density per unit time to be far less than we see in the Gospels, and asking why is that? 

Then it was a general discussion of a POSSIBLE answer to that question that I admitted up front and often that I was unsure of, and I was exploring the topic.

WordWolf, did you really miss my many comments to that effect at the beginning of the thread, as well as often popping up in the pages ???

Did you really miss that?

Surprise!   You may discover a lot more by re-visiting that thread:

https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/25457-god’s-budget-and-double-doors-on-the-scarcity-of-miracles/

Enjoy. 

 

You participating in a general discussion of possible answers about anything - is NOT how I would characterize your posts on the God’s Budget thread.

It seems to me you are consistently combative and argumentative with any Grease Spotter who challenges your myopic views and confirmation bias.

Here is Mike disputing with another poster, Mike claiming wierwille did not usurp the Jesus Movement in early days of Rye NY > Mike's post on God's Budget April 27th 2023, 7:46 PM 

And on same thread here is  Mike's claim there's excellor's sessions in the gospels_God's Budget April 29th 2023, 9:05 PM

Which I challenged him to show where in the gospels are the Scripture to support his claim > here  ,  here  ,  here   ,    here  and Mike did not provide Scripture to support his claim.

5 minutes ago, chockfull said:

The reality of the situation is that TWI has 3 fingers pointing back at themselves because the true “doctrine of devils” lies right within PFAL re defining family faith and the body of Christ as terms that are correlated to active involvement in “the ministry”.  The ministry is the Word and the Word is the ministry doncha know.

That is why when I am accusing others I do it Magneto style. All fingers pointing outward in the direction of my target – less chance of self-inflicted wounds 

15 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Well, of course. Why would you expect my posts to NOT be about my ideas? 

Does that offend you?

nope

8 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

TRANSITIVE PROPERTY!!!

 

(Not really a question. Sorry for yelling. Wasn’t sure if you could hear me.) 

Transitive Property my ask!

To the best of my recollection, it’s yellin’ in the front and brownin’ in the back for those unaware of underwear orientation

25 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

How would you know? My daddy owns this bar. Be I decide what my daddy says.  He has cookies. Hold on… I know they are around here somewhere…

I have it on pretty good authority…well…actually according to the Great Principal (the person with the highest authority and most important position – who is also  in charge of the bathroom on the bus )  Drambuie is a spirit , which leeches off the brain cells in you, which is now your problem and your problem becomes Manischewitz on the top shelf as you…uhm... what was the question again?

8 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

How (H-O-W) will the bartender know what to serve you unless you call the spirit by its name?

I beleeeeeve this is one of those dive bars....owner has a tight budget and the double doors are in disrepair.

12 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

How will I know your will, if I can't read your words? Simple math, baby. Take a break. Take a nap. Do it all while standing, of course. That way no one gets missed.

See? Fresh salad is always being served. Just a tremendous kernel!

Hey, I didn't write the book, so I know how you feel, and I can't do this alone.

Some call it parallel. Some call it balanced. I call it a kaiser blade. SIMPLE!

 

I think you went way over passed prophecy and into distilling of spirits

On 5/7/2023 at 7:10 PM, T-Bone said:

 

Hi Mike – perhaps someday you’ll understand how one’s perception of wierwille was shaped by how much of a composite image is formed from seeing his different sides.

It is not just his public persona but how he behaved in unguarded moments and further if one has had the unfortunate experience of being sexually molested by him.

 

I’ve learned in life we are initially known by our words, but over time our deeds either support our words - or they nullify our words and sabotage our efforts to influence others.

Identifying folks by their deeds takes some practice Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (biblehub.com). Of course, Matthew 7:16 is in reference to spotting false prophets – but getting a general idea of whether someone is good or bad is a practical principle one can abstract from that verse as well.

 

Just wanted to explain this to you over the times you go on and on how we’re all sinners - and I agree! 

but you also talk about folks on Grease Spot being too harsh on wierwille- maybe without realizing there's a whole other side - a darker side of wierwille that you were not aware of.

I think you use absolute thinking – or black and white thinking. That myopic view does not take into account the biblical data that suggests some sins are worse than others and the consequences of some sins are more destructive than others.

 

That being said – since you have not been through the corps program you have never witnessed wierwille in unguarded moments – instances of wierwille doing and saying stuff that would indicate bad judgement on his part – stuff that, to the uninitiated would surely offend , horrify, or even shock them that the teacher of PFAL would behave this way .

 

For example, the pajama party with wierwille at Rome City showing a porn video to the corps under the pretext of preparing us to counsel anyone even those who work in the porn industry or are into watching porn...

...Or the time he was in the Rome City Coachman Suite, sexually molesting Kristen – as mentioned in her book…

These incidents present a different side of him that you have not witnessed or experienced. You can read about the horrifying stories of wierwille’s depraved behavior – but if you’ve never been there to experience them – it can seem like exaggerated or fabricated stories – because it doesn’t agree with how you’ve experienced the nice, warm and fuzzy prim and proper wierwille.  

I don’t expect you to flat out believe the accounts of wierwille’s depravity shared on Grease Spot.

But I wish you would have some respect for what former corps have shared here – realizing that they may have a more complete picture of the    real    wierwille  even though it disagrees with your romanticized and sanitized version that was presented to the general TWI public.

But that doesn’t let you off the hook.

I  know    you   know   in your heart there’s some dark and ominous underpinnings to wierwille’s ministry. But love and admiration can blind someone to another’s faults.

People usually find what they’re looking for.

I know you’ve been around TWI from a long time ago. Surely in all that time – I can’t imagine you’ve never met a woman who had been sexually molested by wierwille and may have tried to relate to you something so horrible that happened to her - but she couldn't find the words or courage to make herself vulnerable ...people would attack her for starting rumors or attacking wierwille's ministry...wierwille would say stuff to cause people to doubt any negative words about him ---for instance I know you've heard him say about those who have criticized him or complain about some horrible thing he did , that's how the adversary always works to cause division - - they did it to Jesus, did it to Paul...or maybe you heard about that happening to someone you knew.

You should dust off those old memories and ignored red flags. Seek and you will find.

6 hours ago, Rocky said:

Then again, perhaps someday YOU will understand there's NFW you're going to get through Mike's impenetrable confirmation bias.

IF you want to address the imagined lurkers,     you might consider a different strategy than just being tossed about with every wind of Mike's bull shonta.

6 hours ago, T-Bone said:

What makes you think my intent is to get through Mike’s impenetrable confirmation bias?

Oh, maybe you’re using the “to whom is it addressed?” nonsense of PFAL/Bullinger. I have my reasons for the way I say things – and I’m not really interested in hearing about your rules and preferences for my voice. If you’re the self-designated thread monitor, I hope you don’t get frustrated or feel insulted that I ignore your silly - - comments.

If you are a moderator, please do something official like cite the GSC rules I am violating or ban me, or do something that will appease your ire. I’m easy – I’ll move on – I've got better things to do than argue with someone over my voice. This isn’t the way corps program, and you are not my superior.

Perhaps what you imagine is different from what I think.

 

4 hours ago, Rocky said:

I am not a moderator. What makes you think my "ire" needs to be appeased? 

3 hours ago, T-Bone said:

oh, I don't know...maybe the fact that I can count on you to express your displeasure over my posts that speak to Mike's nonsense. 

10 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Freedom of speech, dude. 

5 minutes ago, Rocky said:

It's not (ever) about you. It's about ideas. Always. 

obviously...it's about your ideas

4 hours ago, Rocky said:

I am not a moderator. What makes you think my "ire" needs to be appeased? 

3 hours ago, T-Bone said:

oh, I don't know...maybe the fact that I can count on you to express your displeasure over my posts that speak to Mike's nonsense. 

4 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Freedom of speech, dude. 

great way to smooth things over

I have lost the will to post

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

I am not a moderator. What makes you think my "ire" needs to be appeased? 

oh, I don't know...maybe the fact that I can count on you to express your displeasure over my posts that speak to Mike's nonsense. 

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

Then again, perhaps someday YOU will understand there's NFW you're going to get through Mike's impenetrable confirmation bias.

IF you want to address the imagined lurkers, you might consider a different strategy than just being tossed about with every wind of Mike's bull shonta.

What makes you think my intent is to get through Mike’s impenetrable confirmation bias?

Oh, maybe you’re using the “to whom is it addressed?” nonsense of PFAL/Bullinger. I have my reasons for the way I say things – and I’m not really interested in hearing about your rules and preferences for my voice. If you’re the self-designated thread monitor, I hope you don’t get frustrated or feel insulted that I ignore your silly - - comments.

If you are a moderator, please do something official like cite the GSC rules I am violating or ban me, or do something that will appease your ire. I’m easy – I’ll move on – I've got better things to do than argue with someone over my voice. This isn’t the way corps program, and you are not my superior.

Perhaps what you imagine is different from what I think.

10 hours ago, Mike said:

I do try to say so, but sometimes it gets lost in the race to post.

What is at the heart of my criticisms of the Corps is very similar to the bulk of your post here.   Yes, I believe the program had fundamental flaws and it hamstrung some of the troops in various ways.  Though I was not in the program, I was very able to witness their behavior on the field and how it deteriorated as the the 1980s progressed.

The program had major flaws, the top leadership were overwhelmed by the adversary, and the loud leadership on the field spread the misery. 

It is interesting that IN SPITE of all that, many Corps people learned extremely good things of the Word, and applied them well on the field.   The reason for this is the extremely rich amount of the accurate Word that saturated TWI. 

The reason so many bad ideas and spirits were attracted to TWI is because they had to damp down that rich amount of the Word that was there.  Why would the devil persistently attack the weak believers and churches of Churchianity?  He went after those places that threatened his kingdoms the most, and TWI-1 was a major challenge.   

 

Hi Mike – perhaps someday you’ll understand how one’s perception of wierwille was shaped by how much of a composite image is formed from seeing his different sides.

It is not just his public persona but how he behaved in unguarded moments and further if one has had the unfortunate experience of being sexually molested by him.

I’ve learned in life we are initially known by our words, but over time our deeds either support our words - or they nullify our words and sabotage our efforts to influence others.

Identifying folks by their deeds takes some practice Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (biblehub.com). Of course, Matthew 7:16 is in reference to spotting false prophets – but getting a general idea of whether someone is good or bad is a practical principle one can abstract from that verse as well.

Just wanted to explain this to you over the times you go on and on how we’re all sinners - and I agree! 

but you also talk about folks on Grease Spot being too harsh on wierwille- maybe without realizing there's a whole other side - a darker side of wierwille that you were not aware of.

I think you use absolute thinking – or black and white thinking. That myopic view does not take into account the biblical data that suggests some sins are worse than others and the consequences of some sins are more destructive than others.

That being said – since you have not been through the corps program you have never witnessed wierwille in unguarded moments – instances of wierwille doing and saying stuff that would indicate bad judgement on his part – stuff that, to the uninitiated would surely offend , horrify, or even shock them that the teacher of PFAL would behave this way .

For example, the pajama party with wierwille at Rome City showing a porn video to the corps under the pretext of preparing us to counsel anyone even those who work in the porn industry or are into watching porn...

...Or the time he was in the Rome City Coachman Suite, sexually molesting Kristen – as mentioned in her book…

These incidents present a different side of him that you have not witnessed or experienced. You can read about the horrifying stories of wierwille’s depraved behavior – but if you’ve never been there to experience them – it can seem like exaggerated or fabricated stories – because it doesn’t agree with how you’ve experienced the nice, warm and fuzzy prim and proper wierwille.  

I don’t expect you to flat out believe the accounts of wierwille’s depravity shared on Grease Spot.

But I wish you would have some respect for what former corps have shared here – realizing that they may have a more complete picture of the    real    wierwille  even though it disagrees with your romanticized and sanitized version that was presented to the general TWI public.

But that doesn’t let you off the hook.

I  know    you   know   in your heart there’s some dark and ominous underpinnings to wierwille’s ministry. But love and admiration can blind someone to another’s faults.

People usually find what they’re looking for.

I know you’ve been around TWI from a long time ago. Surely in all that time – I can’t imagine you’ve never met a woman who had been sexually molested by wierwille and may have tried to relate to you something so horrible that happened to her - but she couldn't find the words or courage to make herself vulnerable ...people would attack her for starting rumors or attacking wierwille's ministry...wierwille would say stuff to cause people to doubt any negative words about him ---for instance I know you've heard him say about those who have criticized him or complain about some horrible thing he did , that's how the adversary always works to cause division - - they did it to Jesus, did it to Paul...or maybe you heard about that happening to someone you knew.

You should dust off those old memories and ignored red flags. Seek and you will find.

1 hour ago, OldSkool said:

The Teacher

 

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-1991-dr-victor-paul-1985873592

If you ask me - it looks like wierwille has gone to his happy place - looking at his porn video catalog collection in one hand (hmmm symbolic?) and with a dirty old man grin on face raising his mug of Drambuie in toast to the dirty deities of depravity. 
 

mug of Drambuie sold separately - call now - operators of all 9 demons all the time are being held in abeyance waiting on your order…or rather your submission 

6 hours ago, Rocky said:

Do I need to post another YouTube video of Professor Irwin Corey here?

Do you have any idea how freakin' outrageous it is to continue engaging with him at all?

If you want to address something to the great unwashed masses (or even if they wash regularly and just get an inkling to question the "greatness" of a certain cult), why not synthesize and summarize the essence of his arguments and claims in a succinct document and get it posted to GSC and ask the mods to make it not subject to inane ramblings? IOW, develop a document, post it or get it posted and not have it be subject to discussion... at least on the post or new thread on which it's initially posted.

For ANYONE to continue to pose the kind of question (even if not in the form of a question) you posed in what I quoted herein, is tantamount to continuing to do the same thing repeatedly and expect a different outcome.

Don't continue to criticize him. Criticize his bottom-line ideas. 

Affording me an excellent opportunity to enlighten folks who have just turned on the TV midstream of another exciting episode of absurdities and rebuffs, so thanks Rocky!

That’s why I’ll continue doing what I’ve been doing.

Just like I do with analyzing wierwille – and Rocky please take note so I don’t have to haggle with you – yet again - over my critical examination differing from yours or not meeting your approval or standards.

I am surprised the close parallels of wierwille’s, and Mike’s  deceptive tactics   AND   dubious ideas are not obvious to you – especially in light of Mike’s recent challenge over my Moody letter. I’ve found the two (deceptive tactics and dubious ideas) often go hand in hand to pull off the con.

Why do I call out Mike lambasting the corps and corps program?

Why do I show the jury a letter from Moody registrar’s office?

Do you think showing the jury that the accused is NOT an expert witness ( one who has special knowledge, expertise, experience, proficiency in a particular field that is relevant to the case) might dissuade them to give any credence to the fantastic claims and dubious ideas the accused has made?

Once again, I thank you for giving me this opportunity - and so I award your post with one upvote 

44 minutes ago, Mike said:

I saw how, especially certain members of the Corps started behaving towards us non-Corps.  Plus I read a lot about the Corps abuses, especially in TWI-1, and TWI-2 here at GreaseSpot from people who were in, and even some who participated in the abuses.

You forgot to include that.

I don’t understand why you consider yourself an authority on something you’ve never participated in.

You criticize that which you know not.

I probably sat through more PFAL than you could shake a Vic at.

One thing I did not forget is that you don’t like to admit you’re ever wrong.

Besides being a slowpoke reading Undertow ( even my cat reads faster than you - - and he likes to dog-ear the pages) how much have you read on your bad boy wierwille abusing and exploiting the way corps - men and women - both sexual and mental cruelty?

do you know why your perspective sucks?

you stand atop wierwille’s high pedestal and look down on all the cult-survivors who no longer worship your master.

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, cult-leaders, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

twice as helluva creep that wierwille was 

42 minutes ago, Mike said:

You evidently do not read my posts to others, or maybe you have some kind of strong distraction going.

Have you ever noticed how often I have said the Corps was a big mistake?

Have you ever noticed how often I have used the phrase "Wierwille's Folly" to describe the Corps?

Where you been, man?

Get up to speed, a little bit at least, by doing a simple word search on "folly" and please get back to me with your apology.

 

Well as usual I ignored your misdirect. I did a better search to prove my point!

I did  a search of your comments containing the word  “corps” just on this thread , and stopped at 4 since there were a bunch more on this very thread - of you talking $hit about stuff you know nothing about (which has never stopped you before) to shift the blame off of your precious lord and savior wierwille.

For yeah verily he is the prince of pieces of $hit that you call pearls. Let him that rightly-divideth understand. Mike will never deny his lord and savior wierwille the gore due to his bloody butchering of The Bible. It’s wierwille in you the hope of gory.

Mike projecting his own Nazi fears onto corps 5/5/2023 8:35 PM

Mike's uninformed observations of corps 11/30/2022 11:20 AM

Mike mentions corps Nazi element_Mike never been corps - geesh- what a pontificating idiot 11/16/2022 10:58 AM

 Mike on corps Nazi rampage again - what a stupid ba$tard - 11/13/2022 12:31 PM

I guess I do owe you an apology Mike – I am sorry I underestimated your stupidity.