grasshopper

thanks guys. i saw so much heart in the way they do things and this is the most conservative branch of the lutheran church (missouri synod) i just sort of zone out when the rituals kick in and my daughter and i sing some of the more religious hymns with pseudo opera voices especially when we sit underneath the choir (but not too loud cause we don't want to offend). i'll tell you though. you can't beat "a mighty fortress is our god" for 14th century kick foot. luther had guts. unlike some others i've known anyone coming to the burning at the stake tonight? we've got heretic jerky 2 for a buck. but i better not go there because i'll start cursing and swearing and....

i've returned to my lutheran roots. i hated church as a kid however, having custody of my children every other weekend i take them, ages 11, 6 and 4 whether wethey like it or not. my 11 year old admitted recently that she is "sort of starting to like it". the church is very friendly and they don't seem to mind too much when my 4 year old turns to jelly and slimes his way under the pews or when my six year old walks up front for the childrens sermon with his pants on backwards or with missing shoes and tie askew. i intially started attending these services to bless my aging parents but this form of worship has grown on me. afterwards, we all go out to a greek diner for lunch. my soon-to-be ex wife roundly, derisivly and with much condescending laughter criticizes this church attendance, an attitude which will not serve her well when we settle our divorce. she attends a wierwillist/geerite fellowship with the kids which is fine with me. no harm yet as far as i can see. i will be having my youngest boy baptized at this lutheran church. it's all good. as long as it is truly good. and i will be the one to judge. luther vs wierwillw? no contest. i'll take luther.

good jesus, mary and joseph abuse children? and there are those who want to sort of defend themselves and others?(child molesters) i knew nabershnig when i was a wow in wisconsin holy crap holy ****

i'm happy for you belle. unconditional love, what a wonderful concept! hopper

glasshopper is so solly. he loses it sometimes and says bad things.

here's to all you foolish fools who continue to fool with the way. wake up up all you warm and fuzzy believers the way is dangerous and has damaged many men women and children. stand by it you fools. you gotta a problem with me calling you fool? .....and i hope you go down with the ship. and take your rock of ages memories and shove them where the sun don't shine. luvya grasshopper

hey satori: it's about time you said something funny. i'm laughing. thanks, hopper

oh ye of little faith? it's easy to buy a house with cash. you just need to have .... loads of money. i'm saving up myself right now.... but excuse me for a moment, i need to wipe the blood and scabs off my bony, arthritic, carpal tunneled hands so i can send another 10% to rosie munchmybark. could somebody pass the hydrogen peroxide? thanx hopper

soltolly: you one boo koo clazy G.I.

ahhh the memories sweet sweet memories. about 1997 or so i had been witnessing to a guy who was a real smart dude. he called me at my office and started asking me questions garnered from a website that had real long names with lots of hash marks, dot dot's and semi colons with ascii characters. very astute questions that i had no answers for. of course being the good little hitler youth that i was i brought it up with my "oberfuhrer" who said to ignore it, move on and have no further contact with this person. but i liked this guy, we had many common interests such as shooting innocent bowling pins with shotgun slugs and 306 rifles and..... well i did obey my leader until 'bout a year later i became hfc foot- istant and happened to accidentally google or alta vista the name craig martindale. uh oh spagettios! all kinds of anti way stuff came up and after a brief perusal i ran screaming into the night then the marty martindale thing came down and we were told to stay off the internet. i have always believed in the right to keep and bear arms, and the first ammendment and by now i had a blazing fast 56K modem and did a 'nother search on martindale which linked me to the shut down waydale and i found the very lovely greasespot cafe. i started posting as ryan cawdor a character from some (what i thought were) very obscure male oriented action adventure novels. I got a bit of grilling and drilling from a few of you (sudo, satori) and then i started getting some concrete answers to the living hell that i had called home for over 20 years also known as twi. hope r and excathy and many others were so kind to me even talked with me on the phone etc 2 months after that i resigned as an hfc, stayed in for while with sporadic attendance and many confrontations and arguments with the local dick head leadership. i told my hfc that i was no longer intersted in being involved because i felt twi was a dishonest and dangerous outfit. after citing many other concerns he turned me over to his way corpse overseer who could not handle what i had to say. about a day later i gathered with 5 of my closest way friends and told them what i had found out and urged them to join the rebellion. well, i lost those friends and haven't spoken with them since. they all rejected me despite years of trust and friendship i am a happy man now, i own a house, play in an all originals band and have made friends with some of the most honest people on the face of the earth. i have a best friend and have been adopted by the most loving family north of the us/canadian border thank you paw. none of us could have been here without your ballsy stand for the truth. hopper

oak the lightbulb went off i get what you you are saying sorry love, hopper

what are you saying lingo? oak what/who are you talking about? they "seemed" to get worse? huh? seemed to get worse? they were gutless pieces of crap because they didn't have the balls to do what was right but they did have the balls to torture the good people. in my narrow book the only ones that were good were the ones who left and made full restitution to the poor bastards they .... over and i haven't seen too much of that

i believe that the nastiest and most dangerous corps nazis were spawned in the early and mid 1990's. i can think of many who were heavily influenced by "leaders" such as "rev a. licked" who is just "so wonderful" now that he has left twi. i haven't forgotten you reverend. some of these punk couples went into the corps after very little experience in real life and we were "so blessed" to have them come back and confront us during ho ho relo and such. it's a vivid, hellish memory of my mind when we invited G&T G. to our house for a friendly ho ho meal and they "taught us" that we were not administering the rod of correction with enough severity to our bald headed little 6 month old girl. g & t? i will never forget you either. please feel free to send me a check to reimburse us for the money we gave you thinking that you were actually going to minister love to god's people. these twi nazis of the 1990's were willing mental and physical slaves to every sociopathic whim of lcm and other pussies such as "dregs ball shack", "bereft could kareless"(and his amazonian wife) and many others who have shrunken into anonymous silence lest somebody actually hunt them down and confront their sorry asses. grasshopper never forgets

you know something? here's a total derailment. why in the f**k don't i hardly ever hear anybody laying into a- holes like balls mos**eda and his spiritually inbred band of native american stepford punk sons and daughter in laws? not to mention every gutless way corps offshoot of his "ministry" who carried out the bot's idiotic foolishness from 1991 till he (balls mosquito)left. and then they all "went underground" 7 year old cyber apologies aren't enough. savvy cochese?" i'll tell you why because sh**loads of you are registered and post here. get away from the stupid doctrinal issues and focus in on how the advice, counseling , pressure and "spiritual insight we received from these gutless wonders scarred (not scared) the dang out of the less intelligent such as i. by the f*cking way, twi is still alive and well in 99.9 percent of these offshoots that grace pretty much every state of america. the only difference is they are much more subtle with their legalism, greed for money and blind allegiance to vpw, .... gear, dale wide mouth, vinny begin again and others. golly gosh i sound bitter sorry 'bout that hopper

jew slave? hey bob, [fill in the blanks]

I left fairly recently- and tried to do it decently - in order... and all of that crap. ......but soon came to the realization that twi people are a carmelization of sweetness and falsehood and pap. you can't get a way from the fact that those that are true friends should not flee when you open your mouth. not so with the way- when you share your heart everyday, it's as though they never knew you at all. it's the same with ex-way geerites, wierwillites, lynittes. you hear the same platitudes, attitudes and anecdotes. there are no answers in them. i'm convinced at this point, that the answers must be found within each one of us yes, this goes against everything i was taught from the age of nineteen. however- when i look up at the sky each night i see infinite beauty. i see solid immutabiltiy. i see truth that can never be moved. kissmyasstwi!

probably the most gritty galling thing was getting reproved for carrying out the orders of the reprover.

igotout: martindale and his ilk crapped on people like you to no end. i apologize for ever being in that band of mother's ( F'ers) i'll tell you one thing. i've learned; as you all well know twi is alive and living to one extent or another in the off shoot groups. wierwille is still worshipped. praised. exemplified. mummified? if i ever take a mans teachings seriously again 'tis going to be emerson or bullinger or twain, and perhaps poe. definitely poe.

i got tired of them doing the funky monkey on my heart. .....and everything abigail says. i realized i had become part of the problem so i got out. it took a year from initial realization to making the break. I'm still scared of them and god at this point but getting over it. ...just a side note cult fans: i was ready to floss my forehead and grow a goatee. just a martindale wannabe-wannabe. what happened to your mommy and daddy little girl? it was them!

it was sheer hatred (of the devil) that motivated me to leave twi. sheer unadulterated hatred.... the devil= twi now that i'm out i'm learning how to love the right way. all you innie lurkers that that think you are doing the "LOVE THANG" by staying in despite your knowledge of twi's evil are gutless fools. unless you are really speaking up. i doubt you are speaking up. hope i'm wrong by the way i was a gutless fool for quite a while. NOW QUIT BEING SO NICE!!! HEY TWI: KISSMYASS i feel better now grasshopper ((((((((((excathedra))))))))))) god bless and protect all pint sized goaltenders

bob: all that stuff is in marty martindale's WOP class. I believed it. god, did I believe it thanks for giving me a bit of true light it certainly helps. love to you all, grasshopper oh yeah, hey you innie lurkers!!! waygb and such. do you still feel good?

thank you for the kind words steve.

it's been over 2 years since i walked away from that blood sucking marrow munching amalgamation of mealy mouthed double talking spoon wielding proponents of evil logic. yes innie lurkers you are part of an evil mini society that uses fear and intimidation to help you reap the benefits of insanity. ahhh sweet insanity. the physical buzz of fear still reverberates through my body as i remember the comforting words of my way corps overseers: "you are going to die if you don't go into the way corps." "abundantly share or your wife will have a greatly increased chance of miscarriage." "you have eternal life and will spend a significant amount of it answering for every moment of broken fellowship" "you didn't follow my direction. now suffer the consequences" i look to the heavens, not for god but for the 2 ton steinway that is most surely hurtling from the clouds to smash my vile unbelieving believer body into a small insignificant puddle of fossil fuel. i drive down a beautiful country road careful to watch out for oncoming hazards. surely drunken emmissaries of the devil are about to swerve into my path. surely they will follow me all the days of my life. yes faithful innies, you are part of this little chunk of hell. how does it feel? i remember how it felt. it felt good.

was just wondering if there is anyone who knew vpw during his princeton days. i'll bet he was a real "cut up" mike?, any input on that?

i've been out for almost a coup'la years but officially only a few months a strange new phenonmenon: dreams about twi gaaaaack it's all bad, every one involves my local waycorps overseers does anyone else have waymares? oh yeah, i never had a single dream about twi until about 2 weeks ago. i was in for 23 years love, grasshopper