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  1. going all the way back to febuary 1980 when i first started going to fellowship i never saw any of what you say. hell i had Tom & Barb Lally from 1980-1981 for twig coordinators and again in 1984 as branch coordinators and as big of an &^% hole as Barb was i still never saw what you say about grads vs non grads. btw i wear my advanced class name tag to large meetings at banquet rooms so if someone wants an advanced class grad to pray with them they can find us easy. i'm out to help people, and all i am is a lowly dude that believes GODS word. i dont elevate myself above anyone and that includes unbelievers. when i was new to fellowship and wanted someone to pray with me or for me I "always" looked for the highest leader i could find because i figured they would be the best to pray with. i always looked for Limb coordinator name tags at the rock so i could hang out with them and learn stuff. name tags are great.
  2. practicing my singing , well its kinda sounds like singing !

  3. when You , Me , and Anyone else speaks the rightly divdided WORD of GOD division happens ! Not because I or others want division to happen but because some people dont want to hear IT. The adversary gets ....ed off and starts working in poeple. It is written(i think it in Peter , maybe Timothy) that we who stand for GOD are gonna suffer persecution.
  4. shiftthis

    TAKIT Band

    does anyone know who the drummer was for TAKIT ? iirc his fisrt name was Willie.
  5. old post but if anyone is interested theres a TAKIT album on ebay right now. there were 2 but i bought one. someone posted a TAKIT song on youtube. just type in takit.
  6. i had to pay money to take drum classes. it cost money to go to collage. even public school cost and property owners pay the cost. if someone wants to charge for a biblical class they have a right to. The Word of God says a laborer is worthy of his hire. if TWI or John Lynn or somebody else charges for a class why is it a problem. materials cost money, a venue cost money, electricity cost money, peoples time cost money. if you dont like it you dont have to go.
  7. well it depends on what you mean by "better". a friend of mine is an aircarft mechaninc and works on the air tankers that fly over and drop liquid on forest fires. he took classes so he could be a better mechainc. my landlord is a mechanic for the city and recently had to take classes so he could be a better mechanic. i took drum lessons so i could play drums better. i study the bible so i can live the word of God better. it not that my friends above or myself are taking classes to be better than other people but rather to be better at what we do. i took PFAL in 1980 and as i applied the Word taught in the class i became better at livng Gods Word. i am a better drummer because of the lessons(class) i took. i'm not trying to compare myself to others as a drummer or a christian but rather improve my own life. it is possible for someone to take classes and boast that they are better then others but thats not what TWI promoted. i went to way fellowships and i went to the offshoot indendent fellowships for about 7 years and i never heard anyone in either group say that taking a class will make you a better christian. i took a couple of the independant fellowship classes to. the only thing that will make you a better christian( better able to do the Word because of instruction) is if you apply what your taught in the class. the same applys in classes that pertain to work. if i take a class on drumming and not apply it i will not be a better drummer. i hope this helps. btw my landlord is a better mechanic than other mechanics that have not had the latest automotive repair class.
  8. my reputation is poor ! -11 ! well at least i'm well known ! could be worse , could be -0 !

    1. waysider

      waysider

      I'm not suire what that reputation thing means. I think it's something that came with the software package and just reflects how often you post.

  9. ben so busy doing nothin i forgot all about this place.

  10. THE WORD says that there "shall be" false ministers that shall come in amoung you(us). they tried to do in Jesus but he would escape them. John 10:10 the thief cometh not but for to steal,and to kill,and to destroy. if your in a high profile position and need body gaurds go for it. it all depends on the situation when it comes from tell them twice and what are you telling them twice. i run a construction crew and sometimes i have fired a guy for refusing to wear a hardhat that he was told to wear by the job superintendant. if i didnt fire the guy on the spot the super would call my boss who would fire the guy and warn me to run the job or i will be fired. i told a guy probably 5 or more times to do the job a certain way until he finally did it that way but it was because i could tell the guy was a real slow learner and not seeing what he could get away with. i have had k nown gangbangers,hells angels,other bikers,and riff raff on my crews. if they do the job right,dont cause trouble, dont steal, they have a job and if not they are fired. if i dont do my job i will be fired and if i allow the job to get screwed up the company is fired. we have ben hired to finish a job that another co contractor messed up. people pay money to for a building for their store and it has a deadline and WE work for those people. its no different if someone wants to cause trouble in fellowship. i wouldnt want to be st fellowship or work or a friends house if someone was causing trouble. i could cause some really bad trouble if i wanted to BUT i choose not do that stuff just like i choose not to rob banks or embezzle money or other bad stuff. would you like it if i came to your house and started causing problems ? depending on the situation would determine weather or not i told someone to leave or just gave a warning. the difference with me is that i know better because i know the word. there aint no excuse for me causing problems for anyone and no i am NOT perfect BUT i know better. if you instruct a pilot not to land in thick fog but the pilot decides to land anyway people die as in what happened to the polish president and the rest of those people. its late and i hope i have answered this for you. GOOD NIGHT !!!
  11. its possible but i grew up with a biological male parent<(father) who was a mean violent az hole and became really mean and violent when he turned into a drunk when i was about 10. he resenetd having us 3 boys and used to give my mom hell for it. i went through a lotta verbal tortue and physical abuse while my younger brothers were left alone. i was really messed up mentally and it took a long time of putting THE WORD on and believing GOD to heal me mentally. i had some fellowship coordinators ask me why i come cause they didnt see me growing and that i was kinda strange. a few tried to help BUT ithis was something that only i with GODS help could do. i was invited to move in with a very kind state coordinator and his family about 9 years ago and the man really took the time to help with what he could do and allowed me to time to finish healing mentally. one thing i never did was be unkind and mistreat others like my dad treated me. i NEVER want to be like my dad was. this leader told me that the reason it took me so long to come out of all that was that no one had ever taken the time to help me with what they could help with. i am answering 2 things here one is the time it takes people to overcome and the other is that just casue someone was treated badly at home growing up isnt and excuse or reason to treat others that way. when i was a teenager some of my friends wanted to have my dad arrested for the way they say him treat me and some quit coming over cause they couldnt stand to see me treated badly. a couple said they wanted to beat the hell out of my dad. there wernt any abuse laws on the books back then like we have today. my mom was gonna have my dad arrested one night after he started hitting me for out of a drunken rage but i told her not to cause of what my dad might do after posting bail. my dad appologized to me a while back fo what he did but all he will ever be to me is the biological parent. when my mom died about 10 years ago my dad got remarried to a retired coworker and i thi nk she had some serous talk with him about what she found out about our relationship. i think martindale got a powertrip and thought he could do what he wanted and did. my leadership appologized to me for the way i treated under the m regiem. i have known a few people that grew up in loving families that turned out to be trash. my younger brother never suffered at the hands of my dad but grew up to be a no account druggie and crook. he came to fellowship for a while but said he would rather party and do his own thing. he died in 03 of lung,stomach,panchreas cancer and he mainly smoke lots of dope over the years. he robbed a gas station i managed once and stole stuff from me. he was treated well by my dad. i am a sinner but i choose to live according to what THE WORD says. when i am taught something i do like they did in the book of acts and search the bible to see if what is taught is so. if you dont then your taking somebodys word for it and i dont do that. i hope this answers the questions about time to grow and change and that being abused doesnt mean you will be an abuser. i stated earlier that not everybody wants THE WORD but its not up to me to detrermine that i have seen people come for awhile never to be seen again and if i didnt want to know GOD i wouldnt read the bible or go to fellowship. a go to fellowship to hear THE WORD , manifestations,and we got some really cool people in our fellowship and i am the oddball of the bunch. yeah i am a little strange but i like who i am. GOD BLESS YA
  12. just lots of stuff to do. i stay really buisy. i dont mind you asking me questions,if i did i wouldnt reply or be on this forum.
  13. i never heard anyone teach that way followwers are a superior breed of humans. but IF you believe that the WORD of GOD is true and that 1co. ch12 is true and that WE who are born again of GODS spirit can operate the manifestations then you can do what THE WORD says you can do. but if you dont believe that we have the exceeding greatness of GODS power when we believe then why even talk about GOD. do you believe that GOD raised Jesus from the dead ?
  14. yes but in a case where homosexuals come in to make a show and dont want to change that aint right. most people who dont want THE WORD will qiut coming but others will come in to disrupt and spy out our freedom as is written THE WORD. not everybody grows at the same pace and it takes some people years to overcome something and you cannot put a time limit on them as long as they want deliverence.
  15. i have read post here about sexual abuse but non of that ever went on in the twigs i went to or ran. why didnt these women call the cops if they were raped(sexually abused)? i am also not saying if i did or didnt cause i dont know.
  16. why not call international for that answer. so for i havent encountered any of the aboved in a fellowship since returning in 2002 or was it 2001 ? i do remember that around the early 80's a limb coordinator got wind of a female believer hanging out with a convicted RAPIST the was on parol and didnt want her or any other female around that guy unless another male believer was with them. can you ladies understnd that. i wouldnt want my kids alone with a petterazz.
  17. i never stuck my head in the sand concerning martindale or other leaders i was under BUT when your not the boss there aint nothing you can do and if you speak up your fired. i have spoken up on construction jobs and gotten fired. i have refused to do shoddy and illegal construction work and ben fired & thats happened a few times. there were a couple of times i started to speak up in the ministry and was close to possibly getting kicked out. i dont stick my head in the sand an this is not my grandpas ministry.
  18. yes it has to be done on an individual basis , not one size fits all. people need to be given time to believe THE WORD and grow.
  19. you used a term "looking very gay". exactly what do you mean buy that ? a guy wearing a dress ? back in the south in the 70's i was called a queer in school cause i had hair down over my ears. is that what you mean. i clearly stated that if someone wanted help they would get help. if someone sees that being a homosexual goes against GODS WORD but want to reamin a homosexual then it aint no different from a theif or crimnial who doesnt want to stop stealing and go out and get a job. they are not welcome. i wouldnt want drunks and drug addicts who didnt want to qiut the drugs and booze around. my dad was a violent drunk and that was pure hell growing up in that enviorement and i invited him to fellowship in 1980 and he refused to go , he loved his getting drunk escapades and my youger brother took the pfal class around 1983 but decided to be a theif and drug dealer and i refused to let him in my home cause i caught him trying to steal form me. if you dont want to do the WORD that you learn then whats the reason for coming ? its one thing to grow as you learn more and more of THE WORD but if you dont want to do it your wasting everybodys time when there are people who want help that my time and others could be spent on. you seem to want to take what i typed and twist it around and say the way doesnt want to help anyone. have you ever ben W.O.W. or Way Disciple ? i went wow 2 times > 1981-1982 and 1983-1984 and way discilple in 2003-2004 because i wanted to devote a lot of my time to help people get the deliverence i have gotten. who have you helpled get deliverence lately ? "THE WAY" is made of of people, and we care ! again i ask who have YOU cared about and helped this week ?
  20. well that means you refuse to believe what GOD says in his WORD about homosexaulity. i thought greasespot cafe was a place for believers who were wrongly kicked out of the ministry. i see that unbelievers reside here to. if your not into GOD and HIS word why are you here ? is it to stir up trouble amongst people ? GOD says homosexuality is wrong. and no its not o.k. for homosexuals (male or female) who know THE WORD to stay in the closet and attend fellowship. i never typed that and dont go saying i did. you should read what i typed again. end of story !
  21. i cannot speak for what other fellowships would do but if 2 homosexuals that were former way believers came to fellowship hand in hand i would talk to them outside and ask them if they remember what THE WORD says about homosexuality. if they said yes they know what THE WORD says BUT they want to continue doing their homosexual thing i would politley tell them that anyone who refuses to do as THE WORD instructs will not be welcome in my home. this applies to someone showing up who goes around doing drugs,stealing,etc that doesnt want to live according to THE WORD. i would not yell at them , i would not condemn them i would calmly tell them that if they wanted to change and neede help i would help. i have witnessed to a number of homsexuals since i started going to fellowship in 1980 and all of them wanted to continue their homo lifestyle. if they showed up wanting deliverance i would help them. when it comes to allegations of rev. rivenbark being associated with homosexuals anyone can make allegations. Jesus was accused of all kinds of stuff and eve3n his family said he was nuts. as far as i see it whoever made those allegations are liars. i run construction crews and have ben accused of stuff from other construction workers wanting my good paying job. i could make up stuff to say about other people here but would you believe what i would say without me having actual proff ? there are those who work for the adversary that are out to destroy ANY ministry that teaches GOD's WORD. look what happened to Jesus and Paul , Martin Luther. Paul wrote that all asia turned away from him. i hope i answered you question. standing against the homosexual lifestyle deosnt not mean that you mistreat people. you dont go verbally abusing someone cause they are homo.
  22. obviously i'm not marking and avoiding you. but read the scripture GOD says mark and avoid. what does GOD mean by that ? i didnt write that scripture GOD did. if you have a problem with it go to GOD. i was told by a branch coordinator back in the 90's that the believers were to mark and avoid me cause i had some problems i was dealing with. i was kicked out cause i had some problems and martindale wanted a super clean household and didnt want any weakness. that was the wrong usage of that scripture. if somebody is tearing people down and causing all kinds of problems for people then it should be said to stay away from (namne) cause they are a troublemaker > mark and avoid. hey man i was hurt and screwed over by the martindale regime ! martindale and his cronies have ben long gone and thats in the past in my life. phil 3:13.
  23. obviously you havent ben to a way fellowship sicne martindale was kicked out. how can you write that sorta stuff without even knowing ? thats like me saying something about you when i dont know anything about you. what date did you last attend a way fellowship ? i was at one last sunday. what i said is right on and if you want to call me a liar so be it. btw i never said mark and avoid and i never said new and improved. mark and avoid is written in the word and GOD had it written down for a reason. the ministry has changed but maybe you were one of those trouble markers that caused trouble and hurt others after all some of those people came here. i have seen people get attacked here by others. if the ministry was the same as martindales i wouldnt be going to their felowships !
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