shiftthis

On 10/14/2018 at 5:05 PM, Infoabsorption said:

I don't know when you were involved, but when I was involved they frequently taught that we are currently "in the grace administration" which they taught will end with the "gathering together". They most certainly did align themselves with dispensationalism back in the day.

TWI from 1990 onward I don't know much about. Maybe they don't teach much about dispensationalism these days. I have no clue. Maybe shiftthis or some recent escapees could shed some light on this.

twi teaches that we are in the grace administration.

On 10/14/2018 at 10:14 AM, waysider said:

I'm beginning to think you don't understand what racism means.

I am well aware of what racism means.

20 minutes ago, Rocky said:

 

Of course you don't engage in name calling. You're a highly trained psychiatrist, right? Isn't that why you diagnosed mental illness in someone you claim to have never met?

Shift this also said: "right on ! speak nicely ! dont call people names or put them down." 

and that was after he called me name and put me down and continued to do so.

On 8/31/2018 at 4:47 AM, Taxidev said:

Thank you.  That's been my understanding of it for years.  But the wayers just kept on parroting back what VPW propounded, without even thinking about it.

I read the colatorals many many years ago. my only go to book for the last 20 years has been the Bible. I say and quote what the Bible says. Also i am not a wayer i am a christian.

13 hours ago, WordWolf said:

STANDARD response.  "All of you focus your lives on the evils of twi".  As if we spend all our lives here.   Seriously, someone's feeding all of you the same handful of lines. It happened in twi- which is why your "we look only toward God" post looked rehearsed, and this response is equally standardized.  Until you actually do the thinking for yourself, you're going to pretty much be subject to whoever's writing your scripts.  At least become aware someone's feeding you lines and you're just repeating them here.

what do you mean standard response ? nobody is feeding me lines. i write my own scripts. we dont discuss the past in fellowship. the Word is taught and i leave. I started going to wi fellowships in 1980. been wow and wd. if dwbh had approached me like you he and i could have had a good conversation. but he called me names and stuff and slandered me on a public forum. calling me a racist and aryan is slander. 

18 hours ago, Twinky said:

 

 

 

Speak nicely, people.  Don't "honor" VPW by treating others with the disrespect that he treated all his peepul.

right on ! speak nicely ! dont call people names or put them down.

11 minutes ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:

Hey Canshiftdang!

i was never kicked out. I RESIGNED. The coward brainwashed racist, fascist, Aryan wierwille worshippers like YOU are the “faithful remnant” of way-brained fools still dumb enough to think that ANY THING wierwille said or did was somehow in some way related to the authentic Christianity of Jesus Christ. Well stuck-on-stoopeed can’tshiftdang, again, you have proven magnificently EVERY WORD I said to and about you. Be careful! It could just be another “troublemaker inspired utterance by revelation, or prophecy”!! 32 years and i’m really good at it now!

Bwaaaaaahahahahaha!

i'm not aryan  i told you. i am  part african negro.

3 minutes ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Shift; your post is so poorly-written, I can't read it. Quite frankly, I don't know you, and I don't want too.  

 

sorry about that , i write the best i can. i never  did very good in english class. math, science , mechanics and electric are my strong suits.

1 minute ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:

Hey Canshiftdang!

i was never kicked out. I RESIGNED. The coward brainwashed racist, fascist, Aryan wierwille worshippers like YOU are the “faithful remnant” of way-brained fools still dumb enough to think that ANY THING wierwille said or did was somehow in some way related to the authentic Christianity of Jesus Christ. Well stuck-on-stoopeed can’tshiftdang, again, you have proven magnificently EVERY WORD I said to and about you. Be careful! It could just be another “troublemaker inspired utterance by revelation, or prophecy”!! 32 years and i’m really good at it now!

Bwaaaaaahahahahaha!

there you go again calling me racist. i am part african negro and i  never worshipped were willy.  who are you ? and you really need mental healing. i have never read so much bitterness and hate toward me by someone i dont know. twi might have its faults but one thing is for  sure the word of GOD twi taught me got  me delivered from a lot and i have been getting my prayers answered for many years and am  at peace on the inside. you dont need to come to a twi fellowship to get answers to prayer but you do need to go to the Bible and claim the promises. i hope you do that and get healed.

On 10/9/2018 at 3:21 AM, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Shift, yes I read what he said about you. All of us need help from God-everyday.  I think you may be jealous that DWBH is smarter than you, and had a higher position than you in TWI.  

so dwbh was one of those evil mean leaders that possibly kicked people out for no reason ? and you say i may be jealous ? jealous of what ? you have no idea who i am or what my position is. wow ! try to have a nice civil conversation here and you and whats his name attack me.  I got f'd over by a few evil   mean aye whole leaders that on here on gs. they finally got kicked  out. yeah i got f'd over but i got back in and put all that crap behind me. as long as twi teaches the rightly divided word of GOD i will stick around. I attended several offshoots in the late 80's -90's at various times and it was the same mean arrogant leaders that left or were kicked out running them. and a lot of what  they did was talk sheet about twi. twi is made up of people and WE all have imperfections ,make mistakes and if you can understand that it will make life easier. when there are leaders that are aye wholes is were a problem lies because its your word against theirs and most of the time the leader is believed.

On 10/9/2018 at 5:42 AM, DontWorryBeHappy said:

Hi shift this.

thanks for all your pithy posts! You have faithfully proven everything I said about you in the “p.s.” part of a post to someone else. You ARE FOS, and, you are quite obviously still quite stuck in TWIt cult idiocy. My, my! After all these years YOU choose to remain an ignorant, arrogant, stuck-on-stoopeed Wayfer! Congratulations Pilgrim. Your search has ended. You are now officially a know-that-you-know-that-you-know-it-all moron just like dictor paul and the rest of the lying, thieving, weasels you moron wayfers worship and follow instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. Get a life you TWIt pimp. It’s still not too late for you to “get right with God”, and give up the lifestyle of anti-Christ wierwille worshippers proving you have no functional grey matter of your own.

God bless, you’re the best! See ya at the Rock! Bwaaaahahahaha!

You are one of the troublemakers that was kicked out and good riddance. You call me names and put me down and you never met me. how many other people did you do that to when you were going to a wi fellowship ? you are the type that are not welcome at any fellowship and i wouldnt hire you on my construction crew either. Look in the mirror and you see who one of the troublemakers are. IF you would keep your mouth shut and learn to love yourself and treat others with the love of GOD you will get rid of the spirits hanging around you and you will see how wonderful life can be. 

4 minutes ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Shift, my, my, my!!  Who are you to say that someone has a mental illness, and needs deliverance??  IMO, DWBH has a wonderful life, and he shares it with us here at the GSC. I don't know DWBH personally, nor do I know all that God has done for him, but I know that he was a GREAT MOG.  DWBH was one of the few people who could really, really teach, and reach people with The Word; I know because I was one of them.  You may, or may not like DWBH, but please don't call him mentally ill.  He is many things, but mentally is not one of them.

 

did you read the p.s. that he wrote about me ? he doesnt know me ,i never met him, yet he writes this about me > P.S.....BTW, shiftthis is FOS. If he’s still stuck on waybrain stupid the best thing you can do is ignore the identity confused adolescent stuck in the 1980s of TWIt idiocy and hypocrisy. LOL! < Thats what he wrote about me. A wonderful MOG does not make statements like that about people he never met. As for as i am concerned he is an arrogant jerk for saying i am full of sheet and stuck on waybrain stupid and the rest of what he said. He comes across as a major A to put it nicely and yes he needs mental help and he needs to get that from GOD.

On 8/31/2018 at 9:03 PM, Sugarrush said:

I cannot speak for the whole group, but I know at least one of the people in the panel, and I don't see greed/power or monetary gain being the motivation here.

I think it is more of a mid-life crisis type of situation, knowing they have invested the better part of their lives towards an organization that has given them nothing back. Yes, they may have been previously aware of issues, but you don't question leadership in the Way (and you certainly don't discuss them) you just follow orders.

I think we all can relate to knowing about sites like waydale in the 2000s when still with the Way, and and not wanting to know what was on there. It has always been an us vs. them mentality. 

I think they have just had enough of the BS. I agree they are holding their tongue on many things but it will be interesting to see how it plays out. If they had truly fresh thinking and research they would have a much higher chance of success than trying to go back to a baseline of VPW's plagerized material as their foundation. The rabbit hole just goes way too deep, and this is why I left years ago. 

I have been going to way fellowships since 1980. Those people in that panel are some of the false teachers mentioned in Peter. I know a guy that was F'd over by one of them. Good riddance !

On 8/22/2018 at 10:39 AM, DontWorryBeHappy said:

Hi At A Loss!

i am so sorry for the insane and totally unnecessary havoc wreaked upon your lives by the ignorant bigotry of moron wayfers. Greg Lewis was a loser before he was in the 7th corpse, and as usual, the corpse made him into an even bigger .... and bigot! I knew him back then, and the fact that he was ever a limp coordinator ANYWHERE, let alone CA, proves how utterly and pathetically void of anything near “leadership” TWIt has been since 1986!

The fact that an ignorant, talent-less, dumbass below average schlepp like Lewis would be assigned as anything above chair-stringer is yet more proof of the utter dearth of normal human beings in any nook and cranny of wayworld. LOL!

If you were not so far away in miles, I would suggest you sue the dang out of them for kidnapping your grandson and estranging him from his father and paternal grandparents. That is illegal unless adjudicated by a court of law. Expensive yes! Maybe even prohibitively so. But, you do have the right to do so. Money may be the biggest hindrance.

Whatever happens, DO NOT accept one ounce of .... from these morons. They are insane and immoral. They are a danger to the mental and physical well-being of your grandson. There are numerous effective anti-cult groups that may be able to assist you. But I warn you, anything less than cold-hearted JUSTICE will not help you. You must be tough as nails if you want access to your grandson. This is a child custody and child welfare issue. Don’t quit! You’ll win! Godspeed to you and your family!

 

P.S.....BTW, shiftthis is FOS. If he’s still stuck on waybrain stupid the best thing you can do is ignore the identity confused adolescent stuck in the 1980s of TWIt idiocy and hypocrisy. LOL!

you havent a clue dude. At least I have a wonderful life and all my prayers get answered. At least I make GOD my focus instead of focusing on crap that some people in the ministry did. So if you claim I have a waybrain thats fine with me cause I will just get more answers to prayer. For someone to say i am FOS just shows the mental illness you have and the deliverance you need. If you took all that energy and aimed it toward GOD you might just start having a wonderful life that you can share with others.

On 8/29/2018 at 10:09 AM, T-Bone said:

Perhaps one of the most insidious aspects of TWI’s indoctrination was to instill (by a gradual but firm process) in followers a deep trust in wierwille. This is rather obvious even in PFAL, where wierwille worked so hard to convince students to suspend critical thinking. With his silly notion that the Bible prohibits private interpretation he asserts the Bible actually interprets itself, thus laying the groundwork for students to firmly believe that what wierwille taught was the ONLY CORRECT or AUTHORIZED interpretation of the Bible, the Scriptures, the Word, or whatever you want to call it. Given that even the simplest definition of “interpretation” is explanation, clarification, analysis, and evaluation – for one to claim that the Bible interprets itself is absurd! Folks may not still be in TWI but they may still be held captive in the bizarro-fundamentalist mindset wierwille instilled in them.

It was merely a mental sleight-of-hand via wierwille’s charisma, logical fallacies, cobbled together plagiarism, and the unabashed incompetency of a narcissistic zealot that he got a lot of folks to think he was giving them a true understanding of the scriptures. I think that the more one’s misplaced trust of wierwille grew – the more wierwille’s subterfuge agenda took root in the person – like being intertwined. Perhaps a cult leader’s power is in part derived from the followers – their misplaced trust helps to cement the bond – or whatever “hold” the cult leader has on them…

The depth and degree of wierwille’s “hold” on followers varied – for numerous reasons besides length and depth of involvement with The Way, since we are all individual and unique. Like any exploitative cult leader, wierwille was parasitic and he based his “ministry” on deception and manipulation; in the long run however, “holding” onto dedicated followers is unsustainable, in my humble opinion. People get fed up, frustrated, tired of being used and lied to, or they see through the bull$hit of PFAL, or start looking into red flags they’ve known of for a while… or for any number of other reasons – so they leave. Whatever manipulative “hold” TWI had on them is now broken…yeah !!! that’s the best kind of severing ties – when you cut the ties with a false church/family like TWI !!!

I was never told or taught to put my trust in VP. Those of us in the fellowships I attended were taught to put our trust in GOD. Look to GOD for answers, worship GOD, put GOD first etc. VP was the name of the teacher and that was all. VP's name rarely came up when he was alive. Thats the way it was in the fellowships I attended. One thing is for sure and that is the Word works when applied ans believed. Anyone including me can prove it doesnt word by not believing it but when I have believed it my prayers have gotten answered. My focus has always been on GOD and not the ministry. The ministry is made of people like us that research the Bible and teach it.

On 9/16/2018 at 5:13 PM, waysider said:

Pay no attention to shiftthis. He has the credibility of a chia pet. (No offense to chia pets.)

I wish you well with your situation.

and who are you ?

30 minutes ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Shift, sometimes God works through the help of others.  

Yep !

19 hours ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Shift, you believed God, not the S--t you were taught in the PFAL class.

Yes I believe GOD and thats what we do to get answers and results.

19 hours ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Shift, many people were stuck in TWI for years; they didn't have the resources to leave.  If you were married, and/or had kids, often you had to rent a truck to move your stuff. Those trucks cost money, and many people didn't have the money to rent one.  Also, many people who wanted to leave were kids; if you were underage, you had to remain with your parents.  For some of us it was easy to leave; for others it wasn't.  

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are referring to in residence way corps ?

On 8/13/2018 at 4:52 PM, At A Loss said:

I have read a lot of the posts from past members to try and get a better understanding of the Way and its hold on people.  I have really no personal experience with the Way other than the fallout of my son marrying a lovely girl whose parents were limb leaders in CA years ago.  These limb leader parents destroyed their short marriage in no time flat.  They moved their daughter back under their roof 2100 miles away from the life they were building as a family here.  To complicate it even more they have their daughter completely cutting my son and his entire family off from the little boy that they had together.  The baby was one day old when the mother moved into the studio apartment with them and did not allow them to spend a SINGLE day together without her being in charge for the first month the baby was born.  I thought it was CRAZY and didn't understand it at all.  I kind of get it now..... indoctrination everyday, alienation, and constantly telling her she could not rasie a baby without them.  At this point we get to see our grandson for one week every quarter of the year.  We have to do all the traveling for the first 2 years.  Attorney's fees in 2 states, plane fare, rental cars and housing..... it has been honestly a nightmare.  If it weren't bad enough the parents sit and supervise the daughter's facetime calls she is court ordered to allow, so my son can see and talk to his little boy.  They are the most manipulative people I have ever encountered and I apologize for ranting! It is heart breaking to see what they have done and continue to do to completely alienate us from him.  They worked their daughter over pretty good!  She is lifeless and bitter, something I never saw in the 3 years she was dating my son and living clear across the U.S. away from her leader parents.  Any advise? We just keep hoping that if we keep chipping away at visitation that we will build a bond so he knows us but it feels pretty defeating most days.  The oldest son has never been able to get away, he has been at home for over 30+ years, the other daughter lives within 10 minutes of them.  They have a hold like VPW, as well they would after being limb leaders for years.

i have been in california since the mid 1980's. I have personally known all the limb coordinators during that time. WHO was the limb coordinator you are referring to ? i have never heard of or seen the things you accuse the way of and i have been next to leadership many times until the past 2 years. I have never met anyone or any leader here that does what you say. If Weirwille  has such a hold on people all those that took the class would still be around. I was gone for a few years once. Over last 2 years I have to get off my butt and go to fellowship which means they dont have a hold on me. I know there were some false teachers that were around but all church groups have those and the catholic church has child rapist.

On 8/9/2018 at 9:27 AM, skyrider said:

In the process of unraveling the cult's indoctrination in my life........I hold the belief that pfal had a subterfuge agenda.

The pfal class held the keys to the doors alright......and once locked inside the cult, it was hard to find your way out.  Wierwille used preemptive strikes against church, family and community to sever the ties to one's support system.....and then, taught us that we needed to rebuild our support systems based on his teachings and pseudo-Christian cult family.  After sitting thru pfal, wierwille closes the last session with stern admonition to "stand on this word".......whether no one believes it.  And further, take this material and....."if you'll put away all of your other reading material for the next three months and *study this word,* you won't know yourself."

After months of anticipation to take pfal......and the deep truths and secrets to the universe.....we were ushered into this class with hyper-sensitive expectations.  It was promoted as the greatest secret in the world today.  And, by the end of the class.......you will KNOW it, too.

Young, naïve and searching for belonging, how could you NOT take this class?  If you walked thru this door, then you'll be a part of it, too.  And, if you don't take the class.....you will be shunned or badgered until you drop your objections and sit thru it.  After all, everyone else seemed so excited about it.

Years ago, I read this article...........The Destruction of Self

But now, I understand more fully that all of this started with pfal........not the Defeating the Adversary class.

The Word of God truly is a Sword  ----  it was used in pfal to sever ties of family, friends, church and community.  Wierwille had spent 10 years traveling up and down the highways trying to build a faithful following who would tithe weekly and become workers in building his ministry.  Letter after letter, even as early as 1959..... wierwille pressed his deep desire for "co-laborers" and "fellow-workers."

By 1967, at the filming of pfal.......wierwille was ready to cross the line into *indoctrination.*   He gave lip-service to the Body of Christ, but did everything to subvert each one's uniqueness as a member in particular.......as he rushed onward to plant The Way Tree.  LOL.  And, all of that "Christ-in-you" evolved into groupthink and follow your cult leadership.  It took years and years of discarding individual identity and sovereignty.......to get to the point of "destruction of self."

 

 

 

anybody could leave at anytime. i have seen many come and go. a few of my friends and my brother came a  short time and lost interest. i was gone a few years once.

On 8/10/2018 at 7:52 AM, Grace Valerie Claire said:

Sky, you are so right; expectations for the PFAL class did run high; perhaps that is why the class was such a huge disappointment to me.  I expected to be able to read, and understand the Bible on my own, and it never happened. One day I realized that the Bible was a very complex book, and I would probably never understand it.  That's the day, I finally understood that much of what we were taught in the class, was Dung.

 

 

well the stuff i learned in pfal has gone beyond my expectations. GOD has been working overtime in my life. I "decided" to go for broke and believe the scripture in the Bible. I started getting results. I know many people that took the class and doubted what the scriptures said and didnt reap the results. Its the scriptures that we are to believe. the class was just a way to show us things in the Bible. I grew up roman catholic and went to catholic schools and sunday schools. we did not study the Bible in school. When I went to sunday school all we ever did was read a verse and go around the room and get every ones opinion of what the verse means. It all comes back to no private interpretation and believing equals receiving. Forget the class and just read the scriptures and expect GOD to backup what he says. I also tithed 10% plus a few cents when I was working. I am retired now. If you say what you were taught was dung then you will never see GOD work in your life. IF you decide to believe what GOD says he will do for you then you will see reap the results. When I have doubted I dont reap the results but when I have believed GOD I reap the results.  I still have problems understanding parts of the Bible so I concentrate on the parts I understand. I am thankful for pfal.  I dont go to fellowship very often and I know I would be able to understand the Bible better if I did. At least I am not obligated to like the catholic church demanded me and my go to there church.

Where is Frank to discuss this topic ?

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I watched the entire R&R video. A huge joke. Why were they laughing , I didnt hear anything that was funny. They were and are part of the problem. Just a bunch of ego heads wanting to be in charge and imo wanting to have direct access to ALL the Ways money. They are getting old(so I'm I ) and are probably looking for a huge nest egg. They can go spit and wallow in their crap. This verse describes them > 2nd Peter 2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. <  And that is what they are.