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Thomas Loy Bumgarner

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  1. On my Facebook page I wrote that I wished I had never heard of TWI and Victor Paul Wierwille. I wasted time from 1973 through 1979 instead of focusing on college and music. I should have graduated by 1978 instead of 1982, been a full-time church musician until at least 2019, and had a better Social Security amount to retire on. But I was young and foolish. I could have bought all of Bullinger, Pillai, Lamsa, Errico, Watchman Nee, Torrey, etc. at Christian Bookstores and have my church purchase Alpha and other DVD's on Christian doctrine. A word of warning to others who might be seduced by this cult.

  2. I know VPW was of German background, but did The Way International celebrate Christmas/Birth of Jesus? I am familrar with JCING and Jesus Christ, Our Promised Seed, plus Ernest Martin's Star of Bethlehem, plus One God and Father from Lynn and company. Outside of Children's Sing Along songbook with Silent Night and O Come, all ye faithful,anything about Advent, Christmas/Nativity, Epiphany?

  3. On 11/2/2019 at 7:58 AM, Twinky said:

    Not only not Halloween.

    Also, not All Saints' Day (1 November) or All Souls' Day (2 November).  Both of these are significant in church calendars.

     

    But we can commemorate "Uncle Harry Day" (the anniv of Harry's birthday) and make a big deal of that.

    When we have book burnings of Wierwille's plagurized materials:jump:

  4. I find better teachings/blogs from Frank Viola, Jon Zens, Milt Rodrieguez, and Keith Giles than I can find from CFF, STF, and R&R. Viola takes the same concept from Colossians about The Mystery and does a hell better teaching than VPW ever could. He has written a new book called The Gospel of the Kingdom/Insurgency and does a podcast with 2 or 3 others every week.

  5. On 4/17/2019 at 8:07 AM, Raf said:

    How many crosses on Golgotha?

    Mathhew: three

    Mark: three

    Luke: three

    John: three

    Inerrantists: FIVE! 

     

    How many times did Peter deny Jesus?

    Matthew: three

    Mark: three

    Luke: three

    John: three

    Inerrantists: SIX!!!

     

    Nothing but nothing undermines confidence in the integrity of scripture more than the preposterous and easily disprovable notion that it contains no errors or contradictions. 

    Bullinger(and maybe Wierwille) in addition to 5 crosses in a cemetary, a particular cross was the Jerusalem cross with a central cross and 4 others located NW, NE, SE, and SW corners which I happen to have. These 2 also claimed that Peter's denial occured at different times during the meal, one says cock will crow just once after Peter denies Jesus, other gospel says the cock crows twice. Yes, the gospels have different details and seemingly don't agree with each other, no harmonizations of the Passion gospel. But our salvation is in a person, not a book.Otherwise we have bibliodalatry. sorry for poor spelling errors.

  6. Bullinger claimed(likewise Wierwille)2 different Palm processions , one on Friday with Jesus cursing a fig tree and mourning that Jerusalem would reject him, the 2nd on Saturday morning, both a donkey and it's colt, disciples notice weathered fig tree dead, Sanhedrin say quit singing by people because it is the Sabbath and is disrectable to tradition, Jesus says the very stones would praise him, he turns over the tables of moneychangers and shoos away the animals(texts does not say he bullwhipped the people or clergy). First procession only has palms, 2nd has both palms and cloaks/clothing. Lamsa and his protege Rocco Errico, and Pillai make similar claims. Discussions.

  7. On 4/12/2019 at 3:11 PM, Twinky said:

    Bread shouldn't be roll or bun.  They contain yeast (leaven) which shouldn't be present.

    VPW claimed that Holy Communion was not the Passover literally re-enacted, so the bread was white enriched flour and a yeast roll or hamburger bun was fine for Communion. He rejected wafers and matza, but saltine crackers or Ritzs was ok.

  8. In another post here on GSC recently, Supposedly Wierwille gave instructions on how to locally celebrate Communion. He mentions a dish/plate(paten) for bread(roll/hamburger bun) and a chalice/cup for wine/grape juice, and to light 2 red candles, and to use a coffee table (altar) with a large white cloth/towel(mensa). Why did he suggest red? why not white? or better yet either blue or green candles(TV soap opera Dark Shadows)?

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