way2much

"hereay from a buddy who may or may not be gossiping is not credible. It dont fly in court and it dont fly with me." This line is from the first post. Seems I've read from others wanting 'proof that will stand up in court'.......

And what makes you folks think this guy is who he says he is? I think its somebody pulling yalls chain.... Maybe an old poster who has 'become new'?

Quit wasting your time guys. All they want to do is bait people. Their god and ours is not the same. They both speak of worshipping god, but in their own delusions their god is a man buried under a fountain in ohio.. Any point you make/prove with them only leads to personal attacks. They just cannot admit that they have been wrong or that they care. To do so would be devastating. toodles

Let him that is foolish be foolish.. The bottom line is that the word says we must measure our leaders against the qualities of a leader listed in the Bible. Only a fool could say that Wierwille was a MOG when measured against these guidelines. They even admit that he STOLE work from others. THe last I heard ... thou shalt not steal was still part of gods word. toodles dave

I don't understand why you guys keep responding and feeding these trolls... If someone decides to be blind and stupid let them be so. Nobody said you had to be smart to take pfal.... It only took some smarts to recognize the scam and to see things as the were, not as we should choose to see them. Its pretty clear that these 2 guys cannot afford to see things the way they really were. Its tough to acknowlege that you've been wrong and wasted tons of time...Their world would fall apart if they admitted the truth. toodles Dave

Met my wife at the Raleigh way home in 1975. We were married by Randy Anderson in july of 1977. will be 30 years this july. One thing seems to be in common with all of these marriages that have lasted and that was we were all 'friends' first. My wife is still my best friend and soul mate. I wouldn't want to have done it without her. We both left the ministry at the same time/place. And we never looked back. Dave

John S was running the Way home on Farrior Rd in Raleigh NC when I first got into the ministry. This would have been either 1974 or 1975. I know at the time that he did not have any degrees, and was going to UNC I am pretty certain. He may have later graduated from ECU, this I don't know. I spent alot of time in those days at the wayhome, and ended up living in it myself the following summer. John was pretty knowledgeable with the word in those days, but not as much so as he seemed to have become in later years. I am certain that he got his education after joining the ministry.

Back out of lurkdom for a second. Sunesis I couldn't agree with you more. I also think that the reason we were encouraged to get an education in the early years is because it provided them with an easily accessible and very vulnerable crop from which to harvest. I am very thankful that I stayed in school and had something to do after I decided to leave. And like you say about vp, he certainly didn't have any 'charisma' that I saw. I saw him as an elderly man who seemed to know the word and was willing to share it with me. And thats all I saw him as... little did I know what hid beneath. When I got fed up enough to leave I had just had way 2 much. Hence my monikor. Without doop, heefner and leonard Vp would have been nothing. He just lucked into a generation of freespirited, trusting and loving youngsters searching for answers and truth. But I do wonder tho how much was luck. He did manage to kill off alot of the truth that existed and today is pretty much buried. I wonder if a generation of the same spirit will ever arise again. I certainly don't see it in the kids of today. As they say.... timing is everything..

Rascal, it is an interesting thought tho isn't it? VP was able to gather all of the best on both coasts and stick the headquarters for the movement out in the middle of nowhere in the midwest. When I got in in 1974 it was all hugs, kisses and the folks I was around were sincere about god, jesus and moving the word. Not to long after tho came the forced witnessing at malls, door to door knocking and general stuff that I just didn't feel comfortable with. I was in Raleigh NC at the time and spent lots of time at the way home in Greenville. I was living in the Raleigh way home when I met my wife. I met her at a backyard party we were giving for the area believers and she had been in the ministry for about a year before me. She immediately caught my eye and we were married by Rev Randy An*der**son in 1977. Been married 29 years the 9th of July. I've always said that was one of the few things that I got out of the ministry that I am really thankful for. John Sch*ien*height(sp) was leading the way home and the teachings were very good. That was a good time! But it quickly fell into something that I didn't want to be a part of and my wife felt the same. We came to hear the word taught, not worship some dude on a stage. Once the way corp hit town everything changed. In 1976 I was still living in the way home and Richard Mar**MOr blew into town with his wife and family, driving a brand new BMW that lord knows who paid for. First thing he did was kick me and a couple of my buddies out of the way home so that he would have a place to live. Thats what really ....ed me off and started my exit out the door. I was just too young, stupid and didn't have the B a ll s to stand up to him. Things would be different now. Now back into lurkdom.

Hello all. Just a hypothetical question, but after reading these threads has it ever ocurred to anybody that maybe VP was the adversaries means of squelching this movement? Just a thought. I got in in 1974 and never knew any of this stuff. Forutunately I met my wife in the ministry and we both realized things weren't right in 1981 and left.