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  1. 4 hours ago, WordWolf said:

    It'll be hard to find the posts where we discussed family, since some were edited for privacy reasons. However, there's still a discussion here that included quoting him mentioning family, which will take time to find. I bumped up some discussions that overlapped this, with quotes of some overlap.

    I haven't finished the thread yet. 

  2. On 2/7/2019 at 6:58 PM, WordWolf said:

    Ok, I shall explain.   This will take a minute.

     

    vpw had this whole "grooming the group for sex" thing.  He did pajama nights with the in-house people, and did talks where he explained about sex (as if he was some expert.)  BTW, as per the CFS class, once a guy's activities have resulted in him being unable to get the "little soldier" going again, he said "the only thing he can do then is sleep."   I'm sure the woman is pleased as heck to hear that the guy will just go to sleep if he can't get the little guy marching again, and not even TRY anything else to make her happy.  (It's all about HIM, so if HE can't get any more happiness, the show is over.)     

    So, at one point, he was talking about some IMAGINARY tribe somewhere, where the fathers induct the daughters into sex stuff.  (He was factually incorrect.)  So, he mentioned that parents could do something similar "for their kids",  with a few details on what they could do to their underage children, and get their bodies to react.  He also claimed to have already done so with one of his kids  (already mentioned, I'm not getting into names.)  

    Strictly speaking, we do not know whether the pervert actually did this, or if this was another lie from a career liar.  The evidence supports either conclusion.  Either way, it was perverted of him, and he invented the entire scenario from his sick fantasies.    We will never know because his kid will never come forth to "set the record straight" on this one.  That's obvious for several reasons- not the least of which is that our own trolls would crucify her and lambast her- supposedly for being improper by saying this but in reality trying to punish her for ruining their saintly fantasy of vpw, and trying to silence her from speaking again on the subject.  Rape victims who are harassed on the witness stand have nothing on victims of vpw who come forth- with vpw apologists showing up out of the woodwork, specially to discredit her, insult her, and try to drown out her voice.  Besides, I'm sure she's moved on in her life and wants nothing more to do with him or any of this.

    Horrible! Disgusting! I have no words!

    31 minutes ago, waysider said:

    If this actually happened, she would have been about 11 or 12 years old. We don't know if it really happened but what  we do know is that VPW said it did. He stood in front of a group of Way Corps students and spoke openly about the event.There were people in that meeting that, years later,  came to GSC and gave firsthand testimony to that effect.It's possible she was not even aware her father had made these claims until it all came to light here at GSC.

    I'd like to have the link. Not that I'm curious to know but I'm currently talking to two persons about what happened because they are not sure things happened.

  3. On 12/2/2011 at 7:13 PM, Rejoice said:
    On 12/2/2011 at 7:27 AM, johniam said:

    What VP did to Sarah does not constitute "sexual molestation".

    *INCESTI think that is called INCEST, fondling your own child is incestuous for gosh sakes!.

    Most of those women were Ok with him doing that.

     

    What???? He raped his daughter?????

  4. 20 hours ago, WordWolf said:

    Old story. A man is asked what a conscience is.  He points to his chest.  "It is a 3-cornered thing in here.  When I do wrong, it spins and the corners hurt me. But if I keep doing wrong, the points wear off, and it doesn't hurt anymore."

    That's why I said above : I wonder how God is going to deal with him because so many got born again and yet, he was a big deceiver. Also the other ones who never said anything.

  5. On 12/1/2011 at 2:24 PM, skyrider said:

    I agree.....wierwille knew he was deceiving himself.

    Pour another drambuie and avoid the subject.....and only in the most private settings attempt to seduce with "spiritually mature can handle it" jargon.

    The man DISQUALIFIED himself from teaching or leading anyone. The Timothy and Titus scriptures couldn't be any more plain, PERIOD.

    I am wondering how God is going to deal with him because so many got born again and yet, he was a big deceiver

  6. 5 hours ago, WordWolf said:

    vpw kept taking all sorts of Scriptures about anything and saying there was something sexual about them.

     

    Naturally, when the Bible warned against sexual sins (adultery, etc), vpw said that WASN'T sexual, it was "spiritual adultery." 

    Since I wasn't living in the  US, never heard of that

  7. On 11/15/2011 at 1:53 PM, Abigail said:

    Well I would suspect somewhere in the great wide internet there are people who are saying the Catholic Church should be shut down. But this particular website isn't centered around the Catholic church, its centered around TWI.

    Yes, VP is dead, but his legacy lives on in the doctrine he taught. He was not the only sexual predator in TWI. There were many of them, more than you will hear about here. The doctrine itself was rotten when it comes to this issue.

     

     

    Oh yes!!! For sure! I also was proposed sex by two way corps but not in the US so there was really  a sex mind at that time! Both were corps and country coordinators. 

     

    One manipulated me by asking me to open my bathroom door to show him my naked body. I said no. He said something like I was prude but what he said was to make me feel bad. I didn't budge. The other one proposed me to sleep at his house since I needed to go to Paris so of course, I said yes. Naive I was. We slept in the same bed since there was no space (Paris has very small apartments) and he wanted to have sex with me... Of course I said no. But I know he had sex with a girl I witnessed to but she was a nymphomaniac since she also slept with my husband who himself had a blow job from a WOW man.... What sick men... 

  8. 6 hours ago, WordWolf said:

    At his burial, she said "He was a mean man" to someone accompanying her.   Considering the usual habit of people only speaking well of someone at their funeral, I think that said a lot.

    By writing a blog about them, I meant the perverse narcissistic manipulators... Yes that says a lot! She was forced to shut up anyway.

  9. 8 hours ago, Rocky said:

    I understand. And looking back, I now believe many of their teachings are weird.

    Yes and since I haven't read those books neither taken the class in such a long time, I don't really remember them. You haven't tried Chris Geer's class... ewww what a boring class! Not only that, it's a cold class.

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  10. Rocky I also can tell you I'm very frustrated because I have to unlearn the things I learned and I'm very bad at studying God's Word. So when I have a question I ask God to show me and He leads me to the people who have answers then tells me if it's correct :) 

    One thing though is I never bought into some teachings... I thought they were weird. 

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  11. 2 minutes ago, Rocky said:

    Well, another explanation might be that they never learned anywhere that they needed to honor personal boundaries of other people. I hope I'm inferring correctly that you are female.

    Yes I am. 

    And given that you've been an adult for quite a few years, you probably realize that many men are just very horny.

    I was 20 at the time but I had to put up with my abusive mom, my youth in an institution for sick children for 10 years and was a guinea pig in the hands of doctors... So I had my share plus at 15 something happened to me. I became pretty much rebellious at 12 to get away from whoever wanted to control me. Besides I do what I want with my butt and cold blank being asked to kiss or anything else would have never worked with me. I think, and I don't want to be hurting anyone but the US is very puritan so men are pretty much frustrated. They don't even know how to treat a lady with respect for instance on a first date they want to kiss or go directly to bed, would date in the same time other women to test which one would be the right one... Weird behaviour!

    Combine the two (lack of understanding of personal boundaries along with horniness) and it too often, in many different situations throughout the world, leads to sexual misconduct and abuse.

    I agree but it includes what I wrote above added to that they could learn how to control themselves.

    In TWI, the self-justifying social culture generated by selective interpretation of scriptures led many women, especially young adult women, to be subjected to such abuse.

    I had to put up with shut up and obey in my country too. Overtime it became heavy in my heart. Besides always the same teachings... Boring. So fortunately somethings happened that were not the best but our Twig blew up as well as my marriage. Christians became mean to us and our country coordinator and I left. As of now, been about 10 years, I haven't put one foot in any fellowship. I tried two but left frustrated. I found one I think will be good (ex wayers) so I'll see next Sunday how it goes.

    That you successfully asserted your boundaries is a very good thing.

    It's funny but I've never been an idolator such as being crazy about a band or being hysterical in front of the Rolling Stones for instance... I already had my radars on all the time. So Craig... VP and Geer were not my favorite guys to talk to. And I met VPW once, Craig twice and Geer a few times... Never liked him at all. Cold as ice.

    The power imbalance in relationships is often highly problematic. Of course, it wasn't exclusive to TWI. And it's not exclusive to religious organizations.

    Just last night I heard the story of a German former Catholic nun named Doris Wagner.

    Oh those I hate them so much!! I was raised catholic like all of us in our country and I already had my radars on... They need to be exposed!

     

     

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  12. On 9/9/2007 at 1:11 PM, Dot Matrix said:

    Look at the above here he connects he teacing is GOD's (teaching)

    So if God gave him the enablements, and I have a question, I am challanging GOD AND I am stupid

    Oh, and so many people here still think he did not LEAD us into "cult like" lemming thinking --

    Pretty obviously he did, and this is just ONE of his little ole teachings....

    Just like the twisting, making people afraid to leave TWI, because then we are living outside the will of GOD

    If I question VP, I am stupid afterall he gets his stuff from God, so if I do not think it is right -- I am going against God and his special enabled teacher...

      Quote
    Teach. Apt to teach, he

    must be able to teach. Apt to teaching. I so believe that I’m apt

    to teach that when I finish tonight, I don’t expect any questions

    left over the subject I’ve taught. And I expect everybody here to

    understand it. Because I believe I got the ability to teach.

    Because first of all, the enablements came from God with the

    manifestations, and then I have studied to show myself approved

    by rightly dividing the Word. So, when I teach, I expect people

    to understand what I teach, ‘cause I try to make it so simple that

    nobody is stupid enough to miss it. You just can’t miss it when I

    teach. ‘Cause nobody would be that stupid.

    *************

    That's called double constraint in psychology description of a perverse narcissistic manipulator. They say one thing, turn it around to say another that is opposite like he says to be gentle, patient and calm while saying you are stupid if you ask a question. If you ask a question, you question MY perfect ability to teach and you question my ego, therefore it's best to put you down IN ADVANCE to protect my image and if you dare ask it means you are stupid. So the crowd understands the message : "If I ask a question, it means I'm stupid"! In the end, the person is frustrated and instead of being lifted, feels like he's/she's not worth it.

    They are masters at manipulating words and seduction!

     

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  13. 32 minutes ago, TLC said:

    not a problem - it's why I asked for some clarification.

    well, not sure how you're relating this to anything in this (or much of any other doctrinal) thread, but...

    just for the record, I was at HQ in 84, and at the time...

    I know many were there but we might know each other...

    32 minutes ago, TLC said:

    1) I took "needs and wants parallel" as meaning "parallel with scripture" (not "needs and wants" parallel to or in alignment with each other)

    Oooh thank you! Took it like in alignment with each other!

    2) I didn't actually hear, take or acknowledge the "tithe" as being either appropriate or applicable.  Being on staff, neither was "abundant sharing" taken to mean a giving of monies - aside from the rather rare (and odd feeling) request to contribute a few dollars towards some "special occasion" gift here or there.  Giving time and services? Well, that's another issue altogether, but without a doubt falling under the umbrage of "God will bless you back for it..."  Probably would have been far easier just to "give money," but probably less rewarding in other ways.  Nowadays, I'm not so persuaded that we really know much of the why's and wherefores of God's goodness and blessings.  Seems best just to accept them as being "free" whenever we're tuned in enough to even recognize them as such...

    and finally,

    Oh I was told many times it was : Money money and money. And if you don't God won't bless you. I heard from Americans too

    3) I was (along with quite a few others) quite oblivious to the numerous sexual shenanigans (and crimes) that happened in and around HQ.  Sorry to hear that you experienced it as much as you apparently did. It should've never happened.

    I survived worse but I came to HQ to prove my friends it wasn't a cult... LOL

     

  14. 18 hours ago, TLC said:

    I'm not following what you're trying to say.  How all what got "got over our heads"? And I'm not sure what you mean by quoting "Revelation is not for us"?

    Yeah, (aside from what Paul wrote) I think it's written to Israel.  Doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to (or don't) learn anything from it...

    Perhaps you could explain what you mean a bit more.

    Sorry English not my mother tongue... The teachings, some things were off but we didn't see them really, we just believed what was said such as : needs and wants parallels... or If you don't tithe God won't bless you... Wrong... so wrong...

    This ABS teaching lie is just to make money!

    I wasn't directly impacted by TWI since I wasn't living in the US but I went to the Summer Camp in 84, invited by VP as other believers from different countries. I had to put up with a guy who saw I was looking to go to a building to listen to a teaching so he said he was going to take me. He opened a door, dark inside, turned around to me suddenly and jumped on me to kiss me!!! Oh boy he hard a tough time : I was a rebellious and he heard me!!! Then I had to put up with another guy, a Canadian who was our coordinator at the camp and wanted me to dress a certain way for the pictures and I said no. He told me he will have me kicked out! I said : try! I was so mad! Such abuse. But I could see his balls from his shorts during a teaching so what a hypocrit! Then I had to put up with another idiot who was our country coordinator who tried to have sex with me. I heard later he was abusive with his wife. Then the previous country coordinator that asked me to show him my naked body while I was in the bathroom. I said no. He said oh you are so religious. I said nope. He was going to get married... They had spirit of sex. But none of them touched me. 

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  15. Ewww I already knew a few things about Geer but the rest makes me puke! He was cold as ice for sure!

    I remember he had a dog who was just outside the dining room in Gartmore.

    I was going to pet him but God said no and Geer was outside the door and watched me... I felt he would not even warn me and watch! grrr

  16. On 1/26/2019 at 6:13 PM, WordWolf said:

    I'm am shocked :(  about all the things I'm reading.

    Most of us were shocked about most of this.

     

    My "guts" kept telling me some things were wrong...

    I never went to the Corps but I heard about things that were tough.

    Then heard about the sexual abuse.

     

    A lot of people who were somewhat closer than little local Bible meetings saw some things that "felt wrong" but they were so convinced that the overall thing was of God that they ignored that and any "still, small voice" that said otherwise.

     

    Then a few things about Geer that one day pushed me violently because someone did something he didn't like and I was in his way...

    Yeah, when the cameras were off, vpw AND cgeer were nutjobs.   lcm was one 24/7 because he really thought this was all of God.  That's why he got caught where vpw was busy covering his own tracks.

     

    He was about money someone told me.

    Quite a bit of it was about money, and some was about ego.  The entire choice of Gartmore House for the initial location was a poor idea.  cgeer himself outlined it in his 40-page letter, but he didn't mean to say that because he signed off on the location, which was the cause of most of the site problems that resulted. (Too remote to get help, too remote to get deliveries, etc.)    I'm not sure any of his part wasn't about money OR ego.

    I went there a few times. I never felt comfortable.

     

    What happened to Gartmore? Where's the money? Who collected it? Houses in Maine are expensive...

    cgeer was one of the signators to "the Way in Great Britain Ltd", which owned Gartmore House.  "They" sold it off and never announced where the money went.

    Not surprised to hear!

    I understand why our country co wanted to protect us. We were so young...

    A lot of legit Christians in twi did their best to insulate the younger Christians from fallout from the Root locales by psychopathic leaders like vpw, cgeer and lcm.

    Yes we were young and full of energy to spread the Word. But some things in the PFAL like the needs and wants parallel... yeah not really sure it was accurately from the Bible at the time. Also The Bible tells me so... Then Geer's class, what a boring class! 

     

  17. I'm am shocked :(  about all the things I'm reading.

    My "guts" kept telling me some things were wrong...

    I never went to the Corps but I heard about things that were tough.

    Then heard about the sexual abuse.

    Then a few things about Geer that one day pushed me violently because someone did something he didn't like and I was in his way...

    He was about money someone told me. 

    What happened to Gartmore? Where's the money? Who collected it? Houses in Maine are expensive...

    I understand why our country co wanted to protect us. We were so young...

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