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  1. On 4/17/2021 at 4:20 PM, Rocky said:

     

    So sorry that some of the folks in the ministry had such awful things happen to them. I was actively involved for about ten years and was one of the many who experienced nothing at all like this. I left because of the many "rumors" and because the leadership in my area had become very controlling. That's it. 

  2. On 5/24/2020 at 9:55 AM, skyrider said:

     

    Thanks for your question, St. Christopher..........

    1. Spirit and Truth Fellowship International (formerly Christian Educational Services) ...... in 1987, John Lynn and others wrote a 37-page report to state their official stance against twi.  Without going into all its depth, suffice it to say that these clergymen and others strongly felt that The Way International was headed in the wrong direction. Fast-forward some 25 years (1987-2002).....and this splinter group was splintering.  Factions developed.  Other perversions.  Rev. John Lynn became a big promoter of Momentus....a perverse, self-help "therapy."  A staged confrontation.  Getting someone to reveal very private information in a public format and then verbally assault that person to produce guilt, shame, etc.  Some have said that Rev. Bo Reah-rd (1st corps) was an advocate of Momentus.
    2. Victor Barnard (14th Corps) ......Accused Sex Predator.  Read this link.  This corps guy left twi and, with others, established a secluded camp of followers and young maidens that parents gave consent to.  Parents ALLOWED victor barnard to have sex with their daughters (ages 14-19 ??).....SICK!
    3. Christopher Geer (Gartmore) ...... Some refer to him as psycho-Geer.  European corps program......run with gestapo tactics.  Belligerent, over-bearing dominance over every aspect at Gartmore.  Micro-managed to death.  Later, fled back to the States.....and franchised his classes.  Opportunist.  Manipulator Extraordinaire.
    4. Ex-Corps Coordinators ......... who have started splinter groups.  There have been many corps coordinators in twi thru the years.....who've exited and THEN, started their own splinter groups.  Wrenn, Geer, Lynn, Moynihan, Fort, Horney, Magnelli.....ties to splinter groups.  Deeply entrenched in training the corps, these guys are tethered to the Wierwille Brand and CANNOT forsake it.  Thus, they regurgitate the material, but never examine ALL THE FAILINGS AND FAILURES. 
    5. Some Splinter Groups ......... I have heard that some groups stay small and local.  Through the years, they have their living room fellowships and teach inspiring teachings to one another.  How much they deviate from twi.....I don't know.  Obviously, they do NOT want to be tied to The Way International nor send their hard-earned abundant sharing to a distant overlord.  WHY?  If twi's doctrine (and practice) is SO godly......then why decouple?  THAT is the deep, intriguing question of the splinter groups?
    6. Money and Power .......... in my opinion, thousands upon thousands of followers thru the years find it disturbing that The Way International never gives back to their local community, nor to faithful followers.  Whether there is tragedy, financial hardship, health issues, etc......twi does NOT give financially to support in times of need.  Twi is a HOARDING MACHINE.  Twi's stated position is that "We teach the Word" ...... and that is their SOLE responsibility.  Pppffffttt.  At present, twi hoards $68 Million.  This is sin.  Twi has been a pseudo-Christian organization (at best) ever since its inception.  At worse.....wierwille was a false teacher and wolf in sheep's clothing.

    The scriptures show us in the Book of Acts of a man called Simon who was giving out himself as some great one (Acts 8:9).  The people gave heed to him.  The followers heralded him by saying "This man is the great power of God."  Well, what about wierwille?  He received unbridled adulation from twi's followers.  Yet......in all my years in twi, I never saw wierwille operate any of the (big) six manifestations, 1) word of knowledge, 2) word of wisdom, 3) spiritual discernment, 4) faith, 5) miracles or 6) healing.  Not one!!

    Splinter group leaders talk a big game......yet, what do THEY do?

    We, as Christians, are commanded to know them by their fruit.  Well, what has been the fruit of wierwille's twi?  Lying, stealing, plagiarism, drunkenness, sexual predation, strikers, deceivers, seducers, false teachings, mark/avoid character assassinations, corps indoctrinations, exploiting the good will and gifts of others, etc. etc. etc.

    You, St. Christopher may be of strong and moral character........but wierwille, and many of his corps coordinators and region leaders were NOT.

    Some of the plagiarized material had/has spiritual substance.....and many cleave to these truths.  But those who've encountered the ugly side of wierwille/twi saw the RED FLAGS and exited for greener pastures.  To this day, many are thankful for these truths from biblical men of the ages.

    GreaseSpot Café helps people to discern the good, the bad and the ugly.

    Thank you for your reply. Also thanks to all the others who replied.

     

     

     

  3. On 9/27/2019 at 4:12 PM, skyrider said:

    As top-tier corps/clergy (cough, cough) splinter from twi.......soon thereafter, some of wierwille's hard-core men desire to subjugate others with new, ongoing teachings,  classes and weekends that you just can't miss [and the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round].  In the immortal words of The Church Lady from Saturday Night Live................"How Conveeenient." 

    • Subjugate --- 1. to bring under control or subjection; conquer  2. to cause to become subservient; subdue

    Looking back at wierwille's ministry and corps program........I believe that subjugating was the core of the corps program.

    Wierwille did NOT design a "leadership program."  THAT was all a deceptive tactic.  Wierwille designed a FOLLOWship program wherein the youth were subjugated to his control.......and corps women were subjugated to his sexual predation!!  He sat back and picked his prey.  He targeted the innocent and vulnerable into his classes and programs.  Isolation.  Immersion.  Intimidation.  Indoctrination.  Idolization. 

    Classes can have profit........or........classes can be steppingstones to indoctrination.

    Already, we see that Rico has a foundational, intermediate and advanced class/course to offer.  THEN.......how about a special weekend in Montana?  Enjoy some hiking, fishing, kick-back relaxing and all.  Is this good?  Or, is this to get you to drop your guard.........and start the CULT PROGRAMMING all over again?

    HOW does this happen AGAIN?

    HOW does someone throw off the shackles of twi's hypocrisy and absolute power over the individual.......THEN, fall again into a splinter group that runs classes, demands tithing and claim that they are, indeed, the ones to follow?  It nearly baffles the mind to see how some are so easily persuaded against their own will and better judgment to repeat the same cycle.  Especially those who follow those corps "leaders" who are ADAMANT that wierwille was "the man of God" who walked by revelation.  And, most notably.......those who pattern the SAME pyramid organization from afar, the SAME class structure, the SAME clichés and the SAME approach that "humble yourselves and our classes will answer your questions."

    Screw that !!!

    I believe that Taxidev had it right when he stated in Splinter Cults are WORSE:

    Are you someone who prefers to be led?

    Are you someone who prefers the life of those  institutionalized?

    Can you give some evidence as to why splinter groups are worse? I see none at all. I am thankful for the time I spent in The Way in spite of the problems. I got tremendously blessed by learning to get into the Bible and by all the friends I made who also loved God. I am very sorry for those who had bad experiences. I also eventually left the ministry and have since read about the abuses that some experienced. Still, God used the ministry for good in my life and the lives of many others. It sucks that the ministry was ruined by a few corrupt individuals. I left in 1990.

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