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fredgrant last won the day on October 19 2022

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  1. Told i was only welcome under certain conditions and requirements that i will not attempt to specifically recollect here. No doubt this specific type of situation has been recounted liberally across this site. Though painful and confusing and heart rending at the time, i now see it for the blessing in disguise it was. I truly loved so much about my time with twi, so many of the people, so much of the teaching. How the hell did it turn out to be so rotten inside?!! Love and compassion for people took second, third, or fourth place too often i see now. I hope things have changed, but i don't feel the need or desire to go find out.
  2. I was surprised to receive the card today myself.....a measly 25 years or so after being marked and annoyed. What was missing though, was the apology. Not that an apology would make me believe that the real me would be welcome there. It would be quite nostalgic to check the old place out again though. However, nothing would be worth going back to putting on the blinders. they no doubt picked this program up from the Roman Catholics, who have been promoting a 'come home' program for some time now.
  3. If i remember right it was "the man of God for our day, time, and hour!"
  4. There are some people who believe that the Roman Catholic church has some traditions and concepts that are not rooted in scripture. A good starting point for evaluating spiritual advice might be, "does scripture matter?" Oh my goodness, then you have to ask, "what is scripture?" I haven't seen the concept of limbo in what I believe to be scripture. For now I think of of it more as a dance you do trying to get under a stick.
  5. Well as the Bible says, the love of God IS keeping His commandments, so the only reason to do the right thing is because you love God and it's the right thing to do. I don't always succeed, but it is because sometimes I am still a slave to the flesh Rom. 7. God tells us about our lives to help us to a more worthy endeavor.
  6. Well if you look at the records in the Bible that Mike is talking about, it is obvious that he is right about one thing - God often uses imperfect men to do big jobs for Him, in fact not only often, but ALWAYS except for in the case of Jesus. That being said, the issue is did God select VPW as a big job worker? Because the focus of the Way International was POWER, and not the cross of Christ, his impact was quite distorted from the gospel that the New Testament canon puts forth. It was a grand case of 'cherry picking' scriptures to assemble a cistern to imprison human beings in. That being said, I do not believe it was VPs intention to mislead about the Word. I think he was mostly just mislead himself and it snowballed into something bigger than himself, eventually dragging him along for the ride.....just thinking out loud.
  7. If you haven't seen this, it is pretty interesting and informative, although maybe a little dramatic..
  8. Indeed, and us is.................. Colossians 1:20 KJV And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. its where no child left behind must have come from
  9. I realize that some people may not believe in big Xs and little xs (ie. sins) but if there are, one of the big Xs is definitely the teaching that there is not serious judgment awaiting certain born-again believers, especially leadership who abuse positions. To whom much is given, much is expected. The lie of no punishment for believers because.......grace, is one of the nastiest told ever. I am confident the Lord is able to straighten it out.
  10. Yes indeed, that is an excellent point! We have to judge/evaluate/measure in order to move forward(or even backward....or sideways). The known standards we choose will guide our own works and fruit. Words and actions are works and produce fruit of one kind or another.
  11. POWER POWER POWER! As I posted somewhere else, the very name of the class Power for Abundant Living is a huge clue to the misdirection of the gospel of Jesus Christ provided therein. Did Jesus talk about power? Sure. Was it the dominant theme of his ministry? Absolutely not. His was a message of selfless service in love. Interesting that “all nine all the time” is mentioned above. Even on the face of it it is ridiculous and it is a wonder it ever became a catchphrase. Even the classes taught that 6 of the manifestations in 1 Cor. 12 could only be ‘operated’ by God’s prerogative. Really starting down a rabbit hole, just because there are nine manifestations of Holy Spirit listed consecutively in a reproof epistle should not cause someone to assume that there are only nine. Manifestation simply means evidence, and even a cursory reading of the church epistles show that the primary manifestation of the spirit is love. The gospels confirm this, and it is the glue that holds the entire Bible together. In truth, Paul notes in 1 Cor. 13 that manifestations not produced and governed by love are nothing but lying signs and wonders. Focusing on manifestations as something you can ‘operate’ instead of realizing that what they are is the love of God being shed abroad leads to nothing but confusion and every evil work. I cannot judge VPs heart, or LCM’s - just because they were big shots at one time does not mean that they were not misled. Unbelievers are not enemies, they are merely more people who need Gods grace and mercy, just like me. Evil works and putrid fruit, however, are manifestations of something other than Holy Spirit.
  12. 56. Because someone who threw out all their biblical research materials still wants to be called "Dr".
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