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  1. Interesting subject to discuss: Not to over simplify but wouldn't Jesus have known what he was going to have to go through in order to redeem mankind? The OT has lots of details about what he would endure. So on the cross I would not think there would have been any confusion in his mind about why he was hanging there and why he would die. For me it appears foolish to think that he would question God by crying out Why? when he had walked into the whole thing fully aware of what was going to happen.
  2. I love your name. Kudos.

  3. So what happened with the Way Credit Union meeting and Todd. What was that all about....
  4. It's clear that Mrs. Wierwille was in a horrible position to say the least. I think she did what she could to the best of her ability. My memory of her will always be good.
  5. You can't put new wine in old wine skins
  6. Technology is great I love what it brings to my life. I've gotten some good information here about TWI and met some good folks. Lately the discussions on the forums, especially the "about the Way" forum have become intense which can be good. The problem I see that I wanted to discuss and get opinions on, is that I believe internet forums in general are very two dimensional and therefore not a good place to discuss issues in more than an informational way. By this I mean post information about TWI so that people can come and read and learn and get deliverance. When it comes to discussing deep issues and incidents maybe this is just not the place. In my experience people have a hard enough time conveying their point in person without being misunderstood. Online forums are breeding grounds for misunderstandings between people that end up leading to a lot of hard feelings.
  7. I got involved with TWI in the late 80’s and graduated from the WC in 94. As a new believer I was oblivious to what was going on with Geer and LCM. After the sexual exploits of LCM and others were exposed I woke up and gave TWI a year to get busy straightening out what had gone wrong. Once I could see that there were only a few top leaders who had the desire to make changes and that these few were being run off by Rosie and Donna I left. I left TWI in 2001 and have been reading posts on this website for the past 6 years. In an effort to not be deceived again by the men and women I choose to follow I have spent the last 5 years trying to make sense of what went on so that I could learn and also so I could find a place to fellowship where I believed it would be best for me and my family. There are a lot of splinter groups out there run by various X - TWI leaders some of which I knew and some of which I had only heard of in a negative light, C. Geer being one who was demonized in a big way. This started with the “special leadership tapes” done by LCM and by many of the believers that were still in leadership in the early 90’s. In my quest to understand what went on I have come to the realization that TWI and its leadership committed many transgressions. I have also come to the realization that if I just take a look at the Bible these things are to be expected, the thing to do is to do your best to keep yourself clean and living within God’s will. The two biggest contributors to the disaster that I see were the centralization of authority and money. I still believe that what I got from TWI was a great start in learning how the Word interprets itself and a great start in how to think spiritually about life. There’s no doubt many Christians that never knew TWI existed that have great insight of their own into spiritual matters. Due to certain doctrinal differences I between TWI and most of Christianity I decided to stay within the splinter groups to find a fellowship to be a part of. I believe that the Word says that we need fellowship and for me that goes beyond meeting a believer here or there and spending time together. I believe the Word says that we need to sit down and pray and hear the manifestations and the Word on a regular basis. That said my dilemma is that I have found fine fellowships in many of the splinter groups as well as I know that there are good hearted fellowships being done at TWI. The problem with TWI is that due to the structure and top leaderships involvement in the entire process those fellowships are tainted. I thought for a while that I could just enjoy local fellowships and exclude TWI leadership and things would be fine but that was a pipe dream. Now that I have been involved with different splinter groups over the past 5 years I see that there are many wonderful believers living the Word all around the country. The fellowship that I am now part of ties itself to C. Geer and from what I’ve seen it is a loose tie but it’s hard to tell how much he may or may not influence what is taught. They use his class series which I have not taken. The believers I have fellowshipped with are wonderful and live life free of the net that LCM built over all TWI believers. I have not seen any worship of Geer like I did of VPW and LCM. A scripture that I have always employed to guide me is the one that says “by their fruits ye shall know them” I know all about LCM due to my years around him. C. Geer is different I did not know him but the fellowships that tie themselves to him from my experience have been great. I decided to give everyone a clean slate when I left TWI. Any insight that any of you can provide on this subject would be appreciated. Thanks
  8. Dan Moran is in Southern California still doing his thing.
  9. Is this Joel???? It's Neal Lansdowne what's going on???
  10. Anyone know where they are at today?
  11. Dear Mr. Platig, This whole thing with Mrs. VPW is just a symptom of a far deeper problem. It?s great that you responded and gave your side of the story. What is disturbing and down right disgusting is that the real cause lies at the feet of Way leadership past and present. The Way Ministry leadership started the mess we have today years ago with its own legalistic hurtful practices. ? Do I need to remind you that the Wierwille siblings were kicked out of the Way by your illustrious X ? President? ? Do I need to remind you that the Way is a controlling legalistic organization that would not let Mrs. Wierwilles? children visit her and care for her? ? Do I need to remind you that countless other people who were a part of the Way at one time had their lives horribly damaged and at times destroyed? ? Do I need to remind you that the real problem was that Way leader?s especially upper leadership allowed or followed the example of Craig Martindale and let these things happen? ? Most of all do I need to remind you that the great majority of these people had nothing wrong with them! Get honest Harv about how this whole thing got started and where the blame lies. I would probably still be with TWI if someone in upper leadership would of gotten humble before God and done something about the injustices committed by Way leadership. I even stuck around for a while after LCM was dismissed to see if someone anyone in upper leadership would get humble and apologize for what has gone on but I?m still waiting and it looks like it may never come. There have been many in upper leadership that spoke up since LCM was dismissed but to my knowledge most all of those men and women have been forced out of your organization or left on their own. I find it equally deplorable that there have been many other stories and letters posted on Greasespot detailing far worse abuses by Way leaders yet no response, no letter, no explanation, nothing. God instructs us not to be a respector of persons yet it has taken an incident with Mrs. VPW to get you and your fellow BOD members to take the time to offer an explanation. Awake to Righteousness is the call from the Word of God to the leaders of the Way. Living and Loving Life, Godisgoodalways
  12. Any of your out there living in the real world. I'd love to hear from you.
  13. Heard he was out of TWI
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