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  1. Mostly. But there were plenty until 70 years ago. Which helps take this conversation to where it should go if anyone cared to take it there. The proliferation of products and commodities to use up resources as the means of production lay way waste to environmental components. If you own the land, materials, and people you will rise up above those doing hard, daily work while eliminating the environment of its natural resources. TWI is no different. Those in charge do little and have much.
  2. Why is this all a surprise? We live in a caste system in the U.S., despite what you think. All groups that are formed within society just emulate society and its stratified structure. From the KKK to the corporate office, from the coal miners in the Carolinas to people playing a game on a reality show like Survivor. Every group just copies a smaller version of what they already know. All current religions do the same thing. From nonprofit organizations to Google and Apple, they all do the same thing. If I put 30 people in a room and lock it and have them come out with a system on how they would run a company or country, they all end up copying what we already have. (I was a professor on this subject and I did this exercise often.) Weber and Marx were all too right. So what is so illuminating here? Is it the fact that you expected it to be different? Do you not approve of their methods? Is I that they should have rose above such things as they were spiritually better than that lol? Yes, TWI is exactly like our wretched society; we have the bourgeoisie and we have the proletariat. Although I suppose I will concede that perhaps this forum allows for the proletariat (you and I) to gain a class consciousness after years or decades of having both society and TWI instilling a false conciousness that vast majority of people eat up and live by. I think in the end it is the fact that TWI promises to help us rise from the muck and mire of our status in society and give us the spiritual rewards (false conciousness) we need to rise above it. We can see we are not reaping the rewards others are in society (proletariat) without the word helping us rise above it. Promises to lift us out of our status in society and with god are often the underlying message in teachings. But these promises are coming from people who recreated a stratified system of power where they are in charge within their little bubble (TWI). Their promises are as empty as the American Dream. And let's face it, TWIs teachings and mission are just like the American Dream, you have to be mentally asleep to believe it.
  3. Hardly. All I see on this forum are ex-TWI giving waaay too much of their mental time and energy to TWI.
  4. @JavaJane We were at the rock of ages sitting there to go WoW when Martindale decided we would not be going and that WoW would be cancelled. We then got sent to a new location obviously, where my family was kicked out of the corps by someone who had a personal vendetta against my father. That member was released from TWI and then TWI apologized to my family for being kicked out but that they would not restore their corps status. This affected all of us very profoundly. I was told my birth was also an accident when my parents were in the Corps training at Emporia(?), at which point they were kicked out of training. They returned to complete their training with my brother and I in the family corps. So even at my birth I ruined their spiritual plans and they never deviated from them. They were kicked out of the corp twice, essentially. Yet they keep grasping on to something that was never their earthy family. I have tried so many times to lovingly discuss and confront things with my parents. Their minds are so messed up they have an answer for everything, and it's sad that the words are never their own. I just don't deal with them. They essentially don't exist to me. No point in wasting energy. It has taken me this long on this earth to finally learn that being angry just wastes energy better spent elsewhere. I have a ton of accomplishments in my life and they were all achieved through anger. I'm learning to let go.
  5. @Lifted Up My post in this thread is the first time I've ever let the universe know about what happened. I was in FC 18 if anyone was there or knows anyone from that time. I know the exact person who did it and her entire family is still strongly in TWI as far as I know. "Saying" those words in an internet forum to complete strangers made me reach out to my brother who is younger than me and I told him about it. All he said was he knew I've been dealt bad cards my whole life and didn't even want to talk about it. I am 6 months shy of 40 and haven't cried this much in decades, or ever. Clearly a valve opened up, but the lack of understanding from my family has been devastating. I can't even talk to my parents because they are still "going strong" in TWI. Looking back it is clear that it is this one incident that fractured my entire family by making me pull inside myself. In turn I started acting out against my parents and started bullying my brother. I almost feel worse for my brother now, he has no love in his heart because of my reaction to being raped and how I treated him afterward. He literally told me he doesn't understand why people need family and love and support. I died inside. He is more scarred than I. I am the typical older sibling who has jumped from career to career and he is extremely rich/wealthy now through a very hard work ethic because of my bullying. Ironically he is the exact type of person I despise and believe are ruining the world and I had no idea. I've confronted my parents about other things regarding TWI throughout the years and my mother just defends everything in typical fashion by turning a blind eye or citing the same bs we all know and have heard a million times. And for the record, my incident occurred while my parents were on LEAD as well. I remember because I balled my eyes out as I was scared for my parents being alone and hitchhiking for a week. Even at a young age I knew you could get the same experiences doing something much safer. But wtf do I know? I quit a teaching job at a university right before covid hit as they were about to give me tenure so I could be the stay at home parent for my first born. (Don't feel bad for me it was a good decision.) I decided to have a child finally because I realized how miserable I have been chasing money and having no love in my life. It was and is scary but I am so grateful I had the self awareness to go against the grain of what society thinks I should do. It has taken me 3 decades to be able to love another human being, and I am grateful that I'm late to the party instead of missing it entirely. TWI definitely engrained into me that what people think of you matters and you better fit in or else you aren't welcome. (Eventually I was marked and avoided!) Now at almost 40, everyday I have to wake up and fight what society expects and instead do what is good for me. I've never done anything good for myself and I don't even know if I know how. But I'm trying. I'm trying real hard to keep it together. (I have so much anger that my parents always pick TWI over me even as I write this. Any help on letting that go would be greatly appreciated.)
  6. I am a male who was raped in the Family corps when I was in 7th grade at Rome City. She was a high schooler and was best friends with the high school girls whose parents were on staff. Makes me wonder where she learned it from?! It's also taken me a long time to look back and see all the bs that was going on around me.
  7. 1. Rrobs clearly cares more about lifting himself up (and failing) with what he feels is correct, true, righteous, et cetera (I agree with others in that it's repackaged dogma) versus actually having an intellectual conversation on the proposed social problem. Which, as others have stated, was clearly his failed attempt at disguising other motives with a current topic of the week. 2. As my students stay, don't feed the troll. All he cares about is the attention we are giving him. He is condescending and not a leader or a teacher. He most likely sees himself as both. But no rational person could read his responses and think he is either. 3. Academia does not dismiss the bible, it is the bible that dismisses academia. What does that tell you? So again, I will talk to you (and not at you) when you learn how to have a conversation of give and take. You currently do not. You are ethnocentric to a degree I haven't seen in awhile. Is this part of your corps training or something? 4. He reminds me specifically of this clip from Good Will Hunting. He is the blonde in a ponytail who thinks he knows more than Matt Damon but finds out that he does not. Seriously, watch this clip and tell me it's not a replication of what is happening in rrobs posts.
  8. I am a sociologist/professor/researcher and your argument is definitely "null and void." I know what the peer reviewed research and paradigms say about every major social problem. We can discuss them once you figure out how to construct a valid opinion/argument.
  9. Anyone in Montana in the 80s/90s? Indiana in the 90s? Iowa in the 90s? Minnesota in the 90s/00s? Florida now?
  10. @UnTwist It I was born into TWI in the early 80s as an accident while my parents were in the corp. (I think that means I'm the antichrist or something.) Sounds like we may have a very similar life. Feel free to hit me up.
  11. @Grace Valerie Claire Yea it does. Just another example of stripping away individuality and personal possessions in the same stroke. If anyone ever gets the chance to see it (unlikely lmao) it used to hand on the second floor on the wall nearest the entrance and opposite the mountain/hill.
  12. My father donated some of his prize trophies to Gunnison when we went into the corps. My favorite was this 16 point elk that he received a plaque for and was mounted in our living room for my entire life until the family corps. As was a beautiful ram. To this day it hangs at Gunnison and I don't even think they gave him credit by putting his name below it or anything. I believe you'd have to remove it from the wall to see his name. It wasn't enough for them to take the love out of our family, they brainwashed my parents into giving them a lot of nice things we had over the years.
  13. The family corps is where I learned to lie, steal, and was my introduction to many sexual things. I'm sure those things are still being taught!
  14. Clearly the largest blunder was filming one man's doxa and selling it as episteme.
  15. My mother was one of those amateurs who didn't belong anywhere on stage. A white woman with no rhythm "rapping" to a song she made up about Antioch or something is all I remember. Although performing at the RoA made her more happy than the corp ever did. Heyo!
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