I'm sure most of us who sat through PFAL remember how this verse was handled.
VPW taught that your "name" represents everything related to you .
Therefore God magnified the Word(considered it more important) above everything else related to Him.
A modern day translation might be that "nothing is more important than the Word"
The problem with this is that it assumes that people in an ancient culture assigned the same significance to the word "name" as VPW said it has in this time we are currently in.
Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. I don't personally know. I don't honestly have the skills and know-how to accurately research that question. I think, though, that to do an honest study of that question, one would have to use an array of tools that were not part of the PFAL class.
Remember the "lambano" example?
It went something like:
Lambano---lamballo ----ballo ----ball ----throw--- throw it out ----throw it outward------manifest----SIT!!!
How's that for a scholarly approach to defining a word? <_<
I'm sure most of us who sat through PFAL remember how this verse was handled.
VPW taught that your "name" represents everything related to you .
Therefore God magnified the Word(considered it more important) above everything else related to Him.
A modern day translation might be that "nothing is more important than the Word"
The problem with this is that it assumes that people in an ancient culture assigned the same significance to the word "name" as VPW said it has in this time we are currently in.
Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. I don't personally know. I don't honestly have the skills and know-how to accurately research that question. I think, though, that to do an honest study of that question, one would have to use an array of tools that were not part of the PFAL class.
Remember the "lambano" example?
It went something like:
Lambano---lamballo ----ballo ----ball ----throw--- throw it out ----throw it outward------manifest----SIT!!!
How's that for a scholarly approach to defining a word? <_<
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that connecting "lambano" to "ball" by
completely changing the word
(hey, even one letter changes "chump" to "champ", "desert" to "dessert", or "descent" to "decent"...)
and thinking the word somehow remains connected.
The truly bizarre thing for me was seeing that BULLINGER pulled that one.
It's in the Greek Lexicon.
The same explanation is used, and it STILL makes no sense.
Is this a biblical statement, what's it mean, and if it is in the bible what's really mean?
It is a Biblical statement. It's found in Psalm 138:2- "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." I vaguely recall some analogy about the way we in this day and time sign a check or a contract, but I could be making that up, as it sounds remarkably like private interpretation.
dmiller - sorry I been watching TV - yes she did give it before you - RWP is when I write my own translation from what I feel it should read because I have all ways believe there were verses for that statement - Roy William Perry translation do we have and DM translations on any verse I hope we have a David Miller translation from time to time
which only what we think its telling us
your welcome but do not believe asked your spirit inside you if I have heard my spirit right
maybe I could only handle a small part of the meaning and you will see another part and together we can get a better understanding
I don't remember the exact wording but I remember the context in which it was presented.
Early in the PFAL class, VPW is talking about how people read around the Word and about The Word but often fail to actually read The Word itself. He talks about how various denominations use what are known as "daily devotionals", known also as "aids to devotion". Some of these devotionals are free standing and some are cummulative in the way they are presented.
These are sections of scripture that you make your theme for the day. Wierwille ridiculed this approach and said we should let the Holy Spirit( or was that *holy spirit*?) dictate what we read,study and teach. Obviously, this programmed approach is exactly what became the norm in TWI as time progressed and everything became tightly controlled.
So to partially answer your question, he was not saying that The Word is not helpful as an aid to your devotion, he was saying that The Word is not an "aid to devotion">(ie: a prepackaged lesson plan)
I no longer have my PFAL book(Funny story there) but maybe someone who does can help you a bit more.
you have asked so I had to ask God and his son myself
"magnified His Word above His name" they say
but I say "magnified the heart of the word above Christ name" or in better words
RWP Translation with the help of the spirit in me "magnified that which is in the heart of a person above the person's name"
the true love and the true others fruits of the spirit growing because Christ has join the person
the word is just words it what in the heart of a person that magnifies him or her in Christ
the light comes from the heart
Roy, that is absolutely beautiful and so true. TWI has it all wrong. You, my friend, have it all right.
TWI uses the "he has magnified his word above his name" to justify and excuse their worship of head knowledge, Greek, private interpretation and using scriptures to control people over the actual worship and praise of God to the exclusion of not really practicing or living anything taught in the Bible.
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I was wondering about this.
twi says "magnified His Word above His name"
Is this a biblical statement, what's it mean, and if it is in the bible what's really mean?
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Beloved Bolshevik
God loves you my dear friend
what twi says is wrong
you have asked so I had to ask God and his son myself
"magnified His Word above His name" they say
but I say "magnified the heart of the word above Christ name" or in better words
RWP Translation with the help of the spirit in me "magnified that which is in the heart of a person above the person's name"
the true love and the true others fruits of the spirit growing because Christ has join the person
the word is just words it what in the heart of a person that magnifies him or her in Christ
the light comes from the heart
but your answer is there in the bible to
were I do not know
but I think it be on the subject of heart
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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I'm sure most of us who sat through PFAL remember how this verse was handled.
VPW taught that your "name" represents everything related to you .
Therefore God magnified the Word(considered it more important) above everything else related to Him.
A modern day translation might be that "nothing is more important than the Word"
The problem with this is that it assumes that people in an ancient culture assigned the same significance to the word "name" as VPW said it has in this time we are currently in.
Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. I don't personally know. I don't honestly have the skills and know-how to accurately research that question. I think, though, that to do an honest study of that question, one would have to use an array of tools that were not part of the PFAL class.
Remember the "lambano" example?
It went something like:
Lambano---lamballo ----ballo ----ball ----throw--- throw it out ----throw it outward------manifest----SIT!!!
How's that for a scholarly approach to defining a word? <_<
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Beloved waysider
God loves you my dear friend
yes Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't
I don't personally have all the answers either
no I did not recall the "lambano" example?
but I like the way you put it
your heart has blessed me thanks
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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Bolshevik
What's the rest of this vpw quote?
"The Word is not an aid to devotion! It's a.."
Anyone know?
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that connecting "lambano" to "ball" by
completely changing the word
(hey, even one letter changes "chump" to "champ", "desert" to "dessert", or "descent" to "decent"...)
and thinking the word somehow remains connected.
The truly bizarre thing for me was seeing that BULLINGER pulled that one.
It's in the Greek Lexicon.
The same explanation is used, and it STILL makes no sense.
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Bolshevik - the only thing I can offer is that I was taught that the orientalism is that if you know a person's name you have "power" over them
That's why Jesus is spoken of in Revelation as "no man knows his name" or something close to that.
Not sure that helps - but I'm sure that you need to go to the culture to figure that verse out,
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Beloved Bolshevik and WordWolf and doojable
God loves you my dear friends
Bolshevik - I hope you get the answer to the rest because I am not sure been to long
its allways good to see you WordWolf
doojable guess you were written as I was
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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It is a Biblical statement. It's found in Psalm 138:2- "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." I vaguely recall some analogy about the way we in this day and time sign a check or a contract, but I could be making that up, as it sounds remarkably like private interpretation.
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Jeaniam beat me to it!! :)
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Roy -- I have to ask -- (honest question here)
What is the RWP Translation????
Thanks for letting us know. :)
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Woops !!! I think I know the answer to my question. :blink:
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Beloved Jeaniam and dmiller
God loves you my dear friends
thanks Jeaniam - Psalm 138:2
dmiller - sorry I been watching TV - yes she did give it before you - RWP is when I write my own translation from what I feel it should read because I have all ways believe there were verses for that statement - Roy William Perry translation do we have and DM translations on any verse I hope we have a David Miller translation from time to time
which only what we think its telling us
your welcome but do not believe asked your spirit inside you if I have heard my spirit right
maybe I could only handle a small part of the meaning and you will see another part and together we can get a better understanding
yes it is a honest question
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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I don't remember the exact wording but I remember the context in which it was presented.
Early in the PFAL class, VPW is talking about how people read around the Word and about The Word but often fail to actually read The Word itself. He talks about how various denominations use what are known as "daily devotionals", known also as "aids to devotion". Some of these devotionals are free standing and some are cummulative in the way they are presented.
These are sections of scripture that you make your theme for the day. Wierwille ridiculed this approach and said we should let the Holy Spirit( or was that *holy spirit*?) dictate what we read,study and teach. Obviously, this programmed approach is exactly what became the norm in TWI as time progressed and everything became tightly controlled.
So to partially answer your question, he was not saying that The Word is not helpful as an aid to your devotion, he was saying that The Word is not an "aid to devotion">(ie: a prepackaged lesson plan)
I no longer have my PFAL book(Funny story there) but maybe someone who does can help you a bit more.
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I seem to remember in the PFAL class, at the end of one of the segments, Mr. Wierwille (referring to the bible) said,
"This is not an aid to devotion! This! Is! Life!!!"
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Roy, that is absolutely beautiful and so true. TWI has it all wrong. You, my friend, have it all right.
TWI uses the "he has magnified his word above his name" to justify and excuse their worship of head knowledge, Greek, private interpretation and using scriptures to control people over the actual worship and praise of God to the exclusion of not really practicing or living anything taught in the Bible.
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By golly, K-2, I believe you are correct!
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Beloved waysider, Kevlar2000, and Belle
God loves you all my dear dear friends
waysider, Kevlar2000 - thanks allways
Belle I am glad you liked it and yes twi is into controling people while God is into loving us all
thank you all
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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