ONLY rule of faith and practice - is this necessary?

[Mike]

What does this mean? Did vpw lose it? How did he know it was lost?

He was searching for it and finally realized he could not find it. This I have posted. It was in the class.

Here is the beginning of segment 31 from the second half hour of Session Six:

"Having laid all of our foundational truths now from the accuracy of

God's Word in rather detailed form regarding how the scripture

interprets itself, how we got this wonderful Word of God and how we can

trust this Word of God when we have it and we rightly divide it. We are

now ready to get into the depth of some of the great accuracy and the

working of the Word to bring it into fruition into our life and into our

understanding.

"The subject we are going to be moving into now is one of the great

subjects in the Word of God which I'm going to endeavor to unfold and

make living and real for you. It is the section that deals with the

battle of the senses versus revelation faith in the light of the new

birth."

See how he introduces this "only rule" section as a very important idea?

It goes on. I'll be reviewing what we were taught so everyone can finally get this right.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Mike

[Bolshevik]

He was searching for it and finally realized he could not find it. This I have posted. It was in the class.

If something can't be found, it must be lost. WOW.

This like some Egyptian mummy hunting, hieroglyphic interpreting, ,. . . something.

You know, there are blog options on this site?

[Mike]

Now you're getting into the swing of it!

A little later we heard this in segment 31, Session Six of the film class:

You see if you are going to explain something you have to be bigger

than that which you can explain or that which you do explain. This is

why when I hear the arguments that people give for the existence of God-

-all of us have been educated along these lines where they've given us

these arguments for the existence of God like the cosmological and the

teleological, all of those--they prove absolutely nothing.

Because if I'm going to prove God Almighty I've got to be bigger

than that which I can prove. I'd have to be bigger than God. Like I

tell my people, "old Henry could explain the Ford. The Ford never

explained Henry."

So, now we'll get into the depth of this thing because to get to

the greatness of God's Word we will have to realize some of these

fundamental and foundational truths regarding this new birth and the

battle that rages between the senses and faith.

Remember how I ranted and raved yesterday that I NEVER try to prove something that's bigger than me? Here's where I got that commitment.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Mike

[Bolshevik]

. . .

You see if you are going to explain something you have to be bigger

than that which you can explain or that which you do explain . . .

. . .

another thread . . .

[Mike]

another thread . . .

I'm not sure what you mean here, Bolshevik. Can you explain?

If any of you other students have questions, feel free to ask. This class is so small we can afford to be casual and informal.

I'm selecting the highlights of that segment to show you what we all heard about "only rule" and didn't quite get it or remember it.

I bold fonted where AGAIN we were told that this was important. Unfortunately a lot of us were fast asleep at this point because it might have more philosophical than we were ready for. I was ready because I had already studied these kinds of things in math and physics.

In Geometry the only rule is the set of Postulates and Axioms that all other things must be derived from and therefore proved by. However the Postulates and Axioms are never proved. They are assumed to be true. In Classical Physics the standards of weights and measures and Newton's laws are assumed to be true and serve as the "only rule" to prove everything else by. I was always on maximum alert at this point in the class because I happened to love this field and had spent many happy hours reading on it.

Continuing on with the class transcript for Segment 31, Session 6:

The natural man, this man of body and soul is limited to the

information gathered via the five senses. The five senses are the only

media, the only avenues, the only channels of learning that the natural

man has. Everything that ever comes to the human mind of the natural

man has to come over one or the other of these five senses. He either

sees it, he hears it, he smells it, he tastes it or he touches it.

These are the five senses. Everything that this man ever learns he

learns by a combination of one or the other of those five senses.

You see, to learn anything, (now this is a foundational truth and

listen carefully) to learn anything we must have a center for learning

which is outside of the individual seeking. Man needs a point of

contact which is outside of the man for learning. Truth needs a center

of reference which is not the man seeking.

You see, if we are going to learn anything we can only learn from

an outside source. We either have to see it, hear it, smell it, taste

it or touch it. So to learn anything and this law of learning is

dynamically important that you realize that every person who learns,

learns practically the same way through one or the other or a

combination of those five senses.

I have bold fonted the phrases "center of reference" and "outside source" because they are the beginnings of the "only rule" idea.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Mike

[Bolshevik]

Five senses? Still only five senses?

[Mike]

Five senses? Still only five senses?

It's a popularization for simplification.

Continuing on with the class transcript for Segment 31, Session 6:

Take for instance the learning process of a baby. If a baby could

be born and live without any of the five senses, now this I know is

scientifically and medically impossible. There is no record of any

child ever having been born alive without one or the other of those

senses. But just to teach, listen. If it could be born without one of

the five senses, without any of those five senses that child could never

learn. It couldn't learn a thing.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Mike

[Bolshevik]

okay,

what is this outside source?

[Mike]

Continuing on with the class transcript for Segment 31, Session 6:

The reason a child can learn is because a child has the five senses

and it has a center of reference outside of the child. The baby is born

for instance and lo and behold right after it is born they give it to

its mother. The mother immediately begins talking to the baby and says,

"my, aren't you just the cutest thing." And it's redder than a beet.

And she'll talk to that little baby just like as if that baby is already

graduating from high school or from college.

Well, what is the mother to that baby? That mother is a point of

reference. A center of reference for learning outside of the baby.

Pretty soon father comes in and when father comes in they allow him to

hold the baby. He's scarred to death because it's so tiny he's afraid

he'll break it in two. But he looks at it and he says, "my goodness,

looks just like me or like your mother."

The father becomes a center of reference. It has sisters and

brothers, all of these are centers of reference for learning which are

outside of the baby.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Mike

[Bolshevik]

It's a popularization for simplification.

Take for instance the learning process of a baby. If a baby could

be born and live without any of the five senses, now this I know is

scientifically and medically impossible. There is no record of any

child ever having been born alive without one or the other of those

senses. But just to teach, listen. If it could be born without one of

the five senses, without any of those five senses that child could never

learn. It couldn't learn a thing.

I meant like the sense of balance.

The reason a child can learn is because a child has the five senses

and it has a center of reference outside of the child. The baby is born

for instance and lo and behold right after it is born they give it to

its mother. The mother immediately begins talking to the baby and says,

"my, aren't you just the cutest thing." And it's redder than a beet.

And she'll talk to that little baby just like as if that baby is already

graduating from high school or from college.

Well, what is the mother to that baby? That mother is a point of

reference. A center of reference for learning outside of the baby.

Pretty soon father comes in and when father comes in they allow him to

hold the baby. He's scarred to death because it's so tiny he's afraid

he'll break it in two. But he looks at it and he says, "my goodness,

looks just like me or like your mother."

The father becomes a center of reference. It has sisters and

brothers, all of these are centers of reference for learning which are

outside of the baby.

and uh, how does it interact with these "centers of references" without using the five senses? (which have been popularized for simplification)

[Mike]

I meant like the sense of balance.

I think that comes later with learning, and it's not an INPUT sense.

It is a complex behavior learned BY WAY of the senses of touch and sight.

The inner ear semicircular canals can be thought of as part of the sense of touch FOR SIMPLICITY.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Mike

[Bolshevik]

I think that comes later with learning, and it's not an INPUT sense.

It is a complex behavior learned BY WAY of the senses of touch and sight.

The inner ear semicircular canals can be thought of as part of the sense of touch FOR SIMPLICITY.

and uh, how does it interact with these "centers of references" without using the five senses? (which have been popularized for simplification)

?

[Mike]

Your iconic statement is : Blathering fool, ignore him and he'll go away

Should I invoke it?

[Bolshevik]

Your iconic statement is : Blathering fool, ignore him and he'll go away

Should I invoke it?

That's up to you.

[Mike]

Instead of resisting learning and asking resisting questions

why don't you just go along with the class

and submit your questions in writing when it's all over?

[Bolshevik]

I have a written question above you have not answered.

[Mike]

They're coming to take you away, Ha Ha!

[Bolshevik]

They are indeed.

Now what about my question?

[Mike]

Which one? This thread has been moving fast and I'm also talking to you in Doctrinal at the same time.

...(crazy technology!)

[Bolshevik]

and uh, how does it interact with these "centers of references" without using the five senses? (which have been popularized for simplification)

Please note,

I did not give you crap for not reading my posts carefully enough.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Bolshevik

[Mike]

Ok, it's noted, so let me guess.

You want to say that Dr made a mistake by listing the five senses and leaving out the sense of balance that the inner ear sends to the brain?

[Bolshevik]

Ok, it's noted, so let me guess.

You want to say that Dr made a mistake by listing the five senses and leaving out the sense of balance that the inner ear sends to the brain?

No, I want you to answer the question.

I've already acknowledged that you've simplified the body for argument sake.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Bolshevik

[Mike]

and uh, how does it interact with these "centers of references" without using the five senses? (which have been popularized for simplification)

This question does not make enough sense to me to answer.

Could you start all over and re-phrase it?

Please note: you're lucky I feel like burning time right now. I think you're not trying to be as cooperative as I am.

And could you tell me why you're asking this? Will it help you understand "only rule" or help you (and others) resist learning it?

[Bolshevik]

The reason a child can learn is because a child has the five senses

and it has a center of reference outside of the child. The baby is born

for instance and lo and behold right after it is born they give it to

its mother. The mother immediately begins talking to the baby and says,

"my, aren't you just the cutest thing." And it's redder than a beet.

And she'll talk to that little baby just like as if that baby is already

graduating from high school or from college.

Well, what is the mother to that baby? That mother is a point of

reference. A center of reference for learning outside of the baby.

Pretty soon father comes in and when father comes in they allow him to

hold the baby. He's scarred to death because it's so tiny he's afraid

he'll break it in two. But he looks at it and he says, "my goodness,

looks just like me or like your mother."

The father becomes a center of reference. It has sisters and

brothers, all of these are centers of reference for learning which are

outside of the baby.

The baby has "five senses". It now has "centers of reference", people.

What is your point?

[Mike]

The point is building.

Do you remember this section of the class?

It's the build up to the "only rule for faith and practice."

Edited February 2, 2009 by Mike