I think healing my spiritual wounds.. I've managed to fulfill at least part of my dreams of what *perhaps* would have been without the distractions of da way..
Just wondering, on the sign up page you are requiring the participant's name, how confindential will the seminar participant's names be, and how are you accepting payment? Â Are you accepting Paypal?
I think healing my spiritual wounds.. I've managed to fulfill at least part of my dreams of what *perhaps* would have been without the distractions of da way..
Hi, Ham,
The chairs are covered -- but the coffee is a cool idea! How could we do cybercoffee -- in celebration of the GSC connection?
J.
Just wondering, on the sign up page you are requiring the participant's name, how confindential will the seminar participant's names be, and how are you accepting payment? Â Are you accepting Paypal?
Hi, Now I See,
That's a good point. I should have included a note in my post: You can use any screen handle you like for your "name." To remain anonymous, I suggest using a handle that you haven't used elsewhere on the Internet.
Thanks for the reply John, there are people who are currently still involved with twi, newly departed from twi or who have family members still involved with twi who would like to keep their identity private, this is an issue that comes up quite often here.  It is good that you can accomodate those who want to remain anonymous and it won't be a problem for those who want to participate. :)
I will listen don't need therapy but am opened mined and will listen. I am kind of unique I was involved in scientology over 20 years ago got over that cult. A family re-union that was great ended up breaking up again because of the twi! I am ok but will listen.
if I'm not mistaken, this is a webex conference. the feature poor webex packages are cheap, but doing something like this takes the higher level packages.
I'm not going to begrudge a professional therapy center a nominal fee to do something like this. why is it that people expect things to be free if it has to do with twi? isn't that twi thinking to expect people to donate their long-suits or professional training? a therapy center has support staff that need to be paid, too... and the real world doesn't expect them to live on a need basis.
Wasn't it paying fees for - what? - that got us into this mess in the first place?
Is this seminar really entitled, "Power for Abundant LEAVING"?
I know John is a professional but so also are many other posters at this site, and ultimately the Cafe is a "self-help" site.
Hi, Twinky,
You're not a pain. You're raising valid questions. Renting the webinar service, WebEx, is fairly expensive and there are other expenses involved, including advertising. I've budgeted about $700 for this event. So the first 30 attendees who pay $25 will be just covering expenses.
If there is any money after that, we three presenters will split it evenly. You may not realize it, but there are dozens of hours of preparation involved, including training on the software, preparing the presentations, much more than just the 2 hours of the presentation. If we had full capacity of 85 attendees, we would make a few hundred dollars each. The highest possible income wouldn't really compensate for the time involved.
The question "why" is one I've answered a number of times, but I'll give you the short version. In our culture in America, even helping professionals have to charge fees in order to cover our education, rent & utilities, and for money to live on. This is true for doctors, nurses, and even lowly psychotherapists.
I don't mean to suggest that people posting here NEED help. As I've written a number of times, many if not most people leaving a toxic group like TWI do not seek help and are happy with their lives. Others do some self-help, such as reading books or becoming part of a self-help community such as GSC, and again are happy with their lives. People like this do not need any kind of professional help.
However, some people work very hard at their recovery and despite their best efforts find that their life is still not working for them. Some of these people may choose to seek professional help in the form of a seminar, conference, group therapy, individual therapy, or similar things.
Just to repeat, we are making 15 scholarships available for people who can't afford even $25. One person has already taken advantage of this. I'd be surprised if we didn't end up filling all 15 scholarship slots. We really are trying to make this available to anyone who is interested.
It's not my intention to try to convince anyone they need help. But for those who have considered it, they may find the webinar useful.
I certainly didn't mean to reflect on GSC as a self-help site. It may very well be the best such site I've stumbled upon.
It is $25.00, I spent more than that on eye shadow. I am not saying anyone does not have the right to ask about the fee but in my church they have seminars we have to pay for all the time. I do not think it is unreasonable, uncommon or uncalled for... Not that anyone said it was...
(This is not meant to degrade anyone's questions regarding it, just how I am feeling about the fee).
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John - FWIW, I think you have done a fine job.
Ham
Can I string the chairs, or "stretch" the coffee?
sorry, couldn't resist..
I think healing my spiritual wounds.. I've managed to fulfill at least part of my dreams of what *perhaps* would have been without the distractions of da way..
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Just wondering, on the sign up page you are requiring the participant's name, how confindential will the seminar participant's names be, and how are you accepting payment? Â Are you accepting Paypal?
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Hi, Ham,
The chairs are covered -- but the coffee is a cool idea! How could we do cybercoffee -- in celebration of the GSC connection?
J.
Hi, Now I See,
That's a good point. I should have included a note in my post: You can use any screen handle you like for your "name." To remain anonymous, I suggest using a handle that you haven't used elsewhere on the Internet.
J.
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I love stuff like this. I am game. I don't care who knows I will do it. Just need to check the date.
Can you believe it? I cannot find a calendar. What day of the week please?
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Hey I cannot get on your site!
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fixed links
Note::: at the time I just checked now the registration link does not work here or from Johns main page
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https://knappwebinars.webex.com/mw0306l/myw...l=knappwebinars
this one should work. whew, it's really long...
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Saturday. Two weeks from now.
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http://KnappFamilyCounseling.com/woundswebinar.html
That link will work. It's the original one posted, minus the extraneous letters and such that kept it from working.
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much better! thanks dmiller!
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Hey --- No problem, Potato. :) I have no desire (or need) to be there, but for those that do --------- glad to help out. :D
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Thanks for the reply John, there are people who are currently still involved with twi, newly departed from twi or who have family members still involved with twi who would like to keep their identity private, this is an issue that comes up quite often here.  It is good that you can accomodate those who want to remain anonymous and it won't be a problem for those who want to participate. :)
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Hey, Dot Matrix,
It's taking place on a Saturday afternoon.
You say you can't get on the site. Sounds like I need to fix something. Can you tell me what URL you tried to do to? And what happened?
J.
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John -- I fixed re-did it for you. It's in my post above. :)
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...and only $25?...What a bargain!
Can I start charging for my posts?...or is that not allowed?
...just send your check or money order to Groucho...afterall, we all have bills to pay.
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At risk of sounding a real pain ...
Why is there a fee of $25?
Who gets it, and why?
Wasn't it paying fees for - what? - that got us into this mess in the first place?
Is this seminar really entitled, "Power for Abundant LEAVING"?
I know John is a professional but so also are many other posters at this site, and ultimately the Cafe is a "self-help" site.
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Hi Mr knapp!
I will listen don't need therapy but am opened mined and will listen. I am kind of unique I was involved in scientology over 20 years ago got over that cult. A family re-union that was great ended up breaking up again because of the twi! I am ok but will listen.
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sounds like a rip off to me but i wish the best results for those who choose to tune in
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if I'm not mistaken, this is a webex conference. the feature poor webex packages are cheap, but doing something like this takes the higher level packages.
I'm not going to begrudge a professional therapy center a nominal fee to do something like this. why is it that people expect things to be free if it has to do with twi? isn't that twi thinking to expect people to donate their long-suits or professional training? a therapy center has support staff that need to be paid, too... and the real world doesn't expect them to live on a need basis.
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Hi, Twinky,
You're not a pain. You're raising valid questions. Renting the webinar service, WebEx, is fairly expensive and there are other expenses involved, including advertising. I've budgeted about $700 for this event. So the first 30 attendees who pay $25 will be just covering expenses.
If there is any money after that, we three presenters will split it evenly. You may not realize it, but there are dozens of hours of preparation involved, including training on the software, preparing the presentations, much more than just the 2 hours of the presentation. If we had full capacity of 85 attendees, we would make a few hundred dollars each. The highest possible income wouldn't really compensate for the time involved.
The question "why" is one I've answered a number of times, but I'll give you the short version. In our culture in America, even helping professionals have to charge fees in order to cover our education, rent & utilities, and for money to live on. This is true for doctors, nurses, and even lowly psychotherapists.
I don't mean to suggest that people posting here NEED help. As I've written a number of times, many if not most people leaving a toxic group like TWI do not seek help and are happy with their lives. Others do some self-help, such as reading books or becoming part of a self-help community such as GSC, and again are happy with their lives. People like this do not need any kind of professional help.
However, some people work very hard at their recovery and despite their best efforts find that their life is still not working for them. Some of these people may choose to seek professional help in the form of a seminar, conference, group therapy, individual therapy, or similar things.
Just to repeat, we are making 15 scholarships available for people who can't afford even $25. One person has already taken advantage of this. I'd be surprised if we didn't end up filling all 15 scholarship slots. We really are trying to make this available to anyone who is interested.
It's not my intention to try to convince anyone they need help. But for those who have considered it, they may find the webinar useful.
I certainly didn't mean to reflect on GSC as a self-help site. It may very well be the best such site I've stumbled upon.
Twinky, did I answer your questions?
J.
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geez
<== been doing a lot of that lately...
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And any money that I get would go straight into keeping this place going.
For me, it is nice to not be doing the technical end of stuff for once.
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John:
I pressed this http://KnappFamilyCounseling.com/woundswebinar.html]here
And got something telling me the web site something.... But not the site
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Some of these things can be cathartic and fun.
It is $25.00, I spent more than that on eye shadow. I am not saying anyone does not have the right to ask about the fee but in my church they have seminars we have to pay for all the time. I do not think it is unreasonable, uncommon or uncalled for... Not that anyone said it was...
(This is not meant to degrade anyone's questions regarding it, just how I am feeling about the fee).
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