are you a fraud who pretends not to understand christians because your a Christian
with love and a holy kiss Roy
There is no such a thing as a genuine Christian outside of the story book of fantasy and your absolute failures to obey Matt. 19:21 is just one of the many proofs that easily prove it.
I notice that you got a negative 5 tally there. ... Hhmmmm, ya think that maybe, when you posted
Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give the money25 to the poor, and you will have treasure26 in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matt. 19:21) NET story book (My bold)
So far, the tally from my requests at other forums remains at: genuine christians = 0 and christian frauds with pathetic and pitiful excuses for their disobedience and failure to obey their alleged master = 100%
that just might have had something to do with it? ;)
N-a-h-h-h! ... Must've been the enlarged font that somehow got under their skin.
... And a 'real' Christian? ... According to who, might I ask?
Who amongst us here has a direct connection with God (The Real One, doncha know ;) ) who can answer _that_ question?
((snickers)) And some people wonder why people like me walked away from the god concept as a valid answer.
I notice that you got a negative 5 tally there. ... Hhmmmm, ya think that maybe, when you posted
that just might have had something to do with it? ;)
N-a-h-h-h! ... Must've been the enlarged font that somehow got under their skin.
... And a 'real' Christian? ... According to who, might I ask?
Who amongst us here has a direct connection with God (The Real One, doncha know ;) ) who can answer _that_ question?
((snickers)) And some people wonder why people like me walked away from the god concept as a valid answer.
Hello GarthP2000,
You did well to walk away and as we have seen here and I have experienced for 50 years elsewhere, not a single genuine christian exists outside of their story book.
no matter what religion or no religion involved in.
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
And the thing is, the man already had eternal life.
Huh? Jesus told one guy to sell all his goods...but, in his discourse with Nicodemus He doesn't mention wealth or posessions.....or to the woman at the well.....or to the man born blind....and what was the argument was used AGAINST Jesus when His feet were anointed with costly oil?
Sell all your possessions was directed to that rich young ruler, at that time, according to what was in that man's heart..
It is not a litmus test of a true Christian nor is it a commandment..... Jesus is a personal Savior.
Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give the money25 to the poor, and you will have treasure26 in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matt. 19:21) NET story book (My bold)
So far, the tally from my requests at other forums remains at: genuine christians = 0 and christian frauds with pathetic and pitiful excuses for their disobedience and failure to obey their alleged master = 100%
Over to you. LOL![/size]
Composer, as I understand Christianity the idea is that the only man who could be perfect was Jesus. If the rest of humanity was capable of perfection, there never would have been a need for a savior. So, I guess I am not following your logic (or lack thereof) or what it is you think you have scored with this post.
They are one and the same and worthy of condemnation!
Your profile doesn't state your religious beliefs but from your response here of quoting a rhyme I'll put you down as another pretend christian that fails to obey Matt. 19:21.
Composer, as I understand Christianity the idea is that the only man who could be perfect was Jesus.
Read your self contradicting story book - These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. {perfect : or, upright}(Gen. 6;9) KJV self contradicting story book
If the rest of humanity was capable of perfection, there never would have been a need for a savior.
a) Noah was apparently capable. Do you think he was also God dressed up like story book Jesus to only look like a man?
b) The story book Jesus was a fraud -
The earliest Orthodox Jews (Pharisees & Sadducees) recognised from their TORAH (First 5 books of the bible), the fraudulent claims of this biblical Jesus.
The Christian understanding is that the messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.
But we are taught in this proven self contradicting bible that no one can die for the sins of another. -
In Deuteronomy 24:16 (KJV) it specifically says this:
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 1.)
cf.
Fathers must not be put to death for what their children24 do, nor children for what their fathers do; each must be put to death for his own sin. (Deut. 24:16) NET (See also: post2966264 (Post#1586, story book contradictions Deut. 24:16 Oops! Ex. 20: 5. LOL!))
This was later confirmed by -
Ezekiel 18:20 RSV
"THE SON SHALL NOT SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER. NOR THE FATHER SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE SON; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."
Ezekiel 18:20 also "pulls the rug out from under" Christianity's main premise, that all generations of mankind are burdened with sin and death stemming from Adam's act of disobedience. Only Christ's redeeming shed blood can end this never-ending cycle of sin and death. Quite clearly Ezekiel refutes this notion. "The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father." (Online Source: http://www.bibleorigins.net/MoabiteBloodMessiah.html)
More so -
Jews correctly also, do not believe in original sin.
IN SHORT... Jews do not believe in the existence of Original Sin. The concept of Original Sin simply states that because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, they brought Death into the world. Every human being dies because Adam and Eve committed a sin, and for their sin, all humans are punished with death. However, the Bible describes something entirely different. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden because if they remained, they could eat the fruit of the Tree of Life, which would make them IMmortal. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become IMmortal, then they were created mortal to begin with. They did not bring Death into the world, and we don't die because they sinned. As a matter of Biblical fact, the answer to Question One shows that one person cannot die as the punishment for the sins committed by another. We die because Death is a natural part of existence, and has been since from the moment the first human beings were created. That is why God told the animals, before Adam and Eve ate the fruit from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil, to be fruitful and to multiply, since they needed to replace themselves. God also told the same thing to Adam and Eve before they ate that fruit as well. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 5.)
So, I guess I am not following your logic (or lack thereof) or what it is you think you have scored with this post.
i) I have successfully achieved exposing you people pretending to be story book christians as absolute frauds and only dishonestly self appointed christians and your legitimate evidence that the story book is the words of a God given to man remains a constant zero.
ii) That those claiming to be genuine christians all dismiss the attributes and manifestations required of a genuine story book Jesus believer and all you offer instead is pathetic excuses and sarcasm for your collective and individual failures. Just like your excuses for not obeying Matt. 19:21. You people are currently a sick dishonest joke!
I have more respect for most atheists and non-believers, for many have already literally sacrificed their lives on the battle-field for their countrymen (religious or not) without demanding or expecting any divine rewards unlike self appointed christians and the story book Jesus that selfishly sacrificed itself only temporarily and only on the expectation of divine rewards.
My 50 year tally remains unbroken so far -
Pretend genuine christians with pathetic excuses for their failures = 100%
Composer, first of all you are barking up the wrong tree, I am not a Christian. Second of all, you clearly do not understand much of the story book you keep quoting from. Noah was righteous yes, but perfect he was most certainly not.
Composer, I posted my previous response without reading your entire last post. Frankly, you were so completely off the mark with your Noah remark that my gut response was that the rest of your post wasn't worth taking the time to read. But, I came back and read it anyway. Pretty damned funny, you telling me all about what the Jews believe, because I AM Jewish.
And I have to say, I find it quite offensive that you would use my religion (which you don't seem to be a follwer of)to insult and antagonize those of another faith. That is most definitely NOT the Jewish way. So, while you can quote scripture and you can quote other sources, you plainly do not understand the meaning of the words you are quoting.
In the process, by the way, you completely changed the subject. You started this thread by quoting the Bible and claiming because you didn't know anyone who followed that particular passage of scripture, these people were imperfect and therefore false Christians. It is your premise that is false (as I already showed you), not the Christians you are attempting to disparage.
I have more respect for most atheists and non-believers, for many have already literally sacrificed their lives on the battle-field for their countrymen (religious or not) without demanding or expecting any divine rewards unlike self appointed christians and the story book Jesus that selfishly sacrificed itself only temporarily and only on the expectation of divine rewards.
In that point, you speak the unblemished fact about atheists/unbelievers dying for their respective countries, a fact that many religious (mainly of the fundy variety) wish to downplay or dismiss.
That said however, you show yourself to be a kind of fraud in the overreaching blanket statement you make by portraying all religious people as frauds. Note that I didn't say the religions as frauds, which is another dollar for another day. No, you portray all religious people as frauds, and that is where your epic fail lies.
And please, stop with the "I have more respect for atheists/unbelievers" song-and-dance. It is clear to me that you use us as merely a tool, ... an imaginary ally in your rant, as it were. If it weren't for the 'religious frauds' you say you complain about, you'd direct your self-righteous wrath at us, ... for whatever imaginary slight.
Dude! Go outside into the fresh air and sunshine. ... Go do something more productive than you're doing now. ... Get a job. ... Do something! ... Anything than the total waste of time that you're doing now! Because many here, even many of the ones whom I often disagree with, are anything _but_ a bunch of frauds.
Besides, what are you doing that provides a more viable alternative, ... hhmmmmm? ;)
Composer, I posted my previous response without reading your entire last post.
I accept your apology for not reading fully what I wrote. That explains why you make mistakes in your understandings by not taking in to consideration everything that is written.
Frankly, you were so completely off the mark with your Noah remark that my gut response was that the rest of your post wasn't worth taking the time to read. But, I came back and read it anyway.
The KJV story book quotes Noah as being perfect. Do you want to deny that also?
These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. { perfect : or, upright} (Gen. 6:9) KJV story book, legitimately deny it if you can? (your alleged evidence is?)
Pretty damned funny, you telling me all about what the Jews believe, because I AM Jewish.
Perhaps you could contact them and show them why and get back to us with your evidence and their responses?
My personal email is: franjac1@westnet.com.au when you think you have the legitimate evidence to support your claims against them.
And I have to say, I find it quite offensive that you would use my religion (which you don't seem to be a follwer of) to insult and antagonize those of another faith.
Oh! so you wash your hands of the story book Jews having the story book Jesus crucified, I knew the bible was a lie, the text false and this Jesus never existed.
Thanks for confirming that.
I antagonise and insult no one, they do it to themselves by making outrageous claims they can not legitimately substantiate. I simply provide the facts as they shoot themselves down and embarrass themselves with it.
That is most definitely NOT the Jewish way.
Looks like the story book has insulted your Jewish forefathers then e.g. -
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him , saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:31-33) KJV story book (My Bold)
I'll also be most pleased for you to confirm again the bible tells repeated lies including exposing your Jewish religion as a vicious and violent one that stoned people to death for criticising or disagreeing with its beliefs?
So, while you can quote scripture and you can quote other sources, you plainly do not understand the meaning of the words you are quoting.
Allegedly such as?
In the process, by the way, you completely changed the subject.
Temporary tangents often occurs in debate, however all discussions are related to the story book tales and are pertinent.
You started this thread by quoting the Bible and claiming because you didn't know anyone who followed that particular passage of scripture, these people were imperfect and therefore false Christians. It is your premise that is false (as I already showed you), not the Christians you are attempting to disparage.
My premiss is accurate even by the very fact that not a single so called christian outside the story book has ever legitimately obeyed nor manifested the story book promises to a genuine story book Jesus believer. Mind you I have only been personally searching for 50 years. LOL!
not a single so called christian outside the story book has ever legitimately obeyed nor manifested the story book promises to a genuine story book Jesus believer.
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I'm trying to understand which one you hate more----- Christians or hypocrisy?
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thanks Composer
are you a fraud who pretends not to understand christians because your a Christian
with love and a holy kiss Roy
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There is no such a thing as a genuine Christian outside of the story book of fantasy and your absolute failures to obey Matt. 19:21 is just one of the many proofs that easily prove it.
May be take up Mormanism or Buddhism or tennis,
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Composer,
I notice that you got a negative 5 tally there. ... Hhmmmm, ya think that maybe, when you posted
that just might have had something to do with it? ;)
N-a-h-h-h! ... Must've been the enlarged font that somehow got under their skin.
... And a 'real' Christian? ... According to who, might I ask?
Who amongst us here has a direct connection with God (The Real One, doncha know ;) ) who can answer _that_ question?
((snickers))
And some people wonder why people like me walked away from the god concept as a valid answer.
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Hello GarthP2000,
You did well to walk away and as we have seen here and I have experienced for 50 years elsewhere, not a single genuine christian exists outside of their story book.
Cheers!
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To each his own
Said Farmer Jones,
As he kissed
Ol' Bossie, the cow.
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They are one and the same and worthy of condemnation!
Better luck on another Topic!
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[if this is the same poor excuse for formal logic you use elsewhere,
no wonder you've been reduced to coming here and harassing posters instead of
doing something of genuine benefit.
If A= Christians, and B= hypocrites,
what you've said is A=B, which means you've said "All A=B" and "All B=A",
which means in plain English that you think there are no Christians that are not hypocrites,
and there are no hypocrites that are not Christians.
That's a flaw easy to see using formal logic.
Did you really mean to say you don't think any hypocrites exist among non-Christians?
That there's no atheist hypocrites, no agnostic hypocrites, no Muslim hypocrites,
no wiccan hypocrites, no Jewish hypocrites, and so on?
It IS what you said, when you said that "Christian" and "hypocrite"
are "one and the same".
If it's NOT what you meant, you need to understand your own posts better.
If you don't understand what YOU write, you have little hope of understanding what
OTHERS write. If that's true, then there's small wonder that your response to what
you misunderstand is to condemn it. That's the refuge of small minds from every walk of
life, from every religious, non-religious, or anti-religious background.
If that's true, then there's little hope of giving you a satisfactory answer-
you will lack the understanding to receive it and accept it.
On the other hand, if you understood what you posted, and meant every word of it,
then you truly are blinded by your own prejudices and are unable to see poor examples
of non-Christians, and good examples OF Christians. If that's true, then there's
little hope of giving you a satisfactory answer-
you already passed judgment on every Christian post before reading them,
and passed judgment on every non-Christian post before reading them,
blindly condemning every Christian utterance,
and blindly endorsing every non-Christian utterance.
So, I'm just curious-
did you NOT mean that (and pass yourself off as someone much smarter than you are),
or did you MEAN that (and proudly own an intellectual bigotry that operates as a
tremendous mental blind spot)?
Either you meant it or you didn't, so it's one or the other.]
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I am all for learning the Bible and Biblical Research but The Way International sure ain't it!
Although the people may believe and even love God,the teaching are all messed up,it is just wasting peoples time and money.
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I think he means all are hypocrites,
therefore all are Christians,
no matter what religion or no religion involved in.
And the thing is, the man already had eternal life.
Jesus was talking about 'perfect' now.
And what do we actually have to sell or give.
Who is the poor?
"follow me" would help that be seen.
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Huh? Jesus told one guy to sell all his goods...but, in his discourse with Nicodemus He doesn't mention wealth or posessions.....or to the woman at the well.....or to the man born blind....and what was the argument was used AGAINST Jesus when His feet were anointed with costly oil?
Sell all your possessions was directed to that rich young ruler, at that time, according to what was in that man's heart..
It is not a litmus test of a true Christian nor is it a commandment..... Jesus is a personal Savior.
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I agree.
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Composer, as I understand Christianity the idea is that the only man who could be perfect was Jesus. If the rest of humanity was capable of perfection, there never would have been a need for a savior. So, I guess I am not following your logic (or lack thereof) or what it is you think you have scored with this post.
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Wow!!!
I guess you showed ME a thing or two!
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Read your self contradicting story book - These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. {perfect : or, upright}(Gen. 6;9) KJV self contradicting story book
a) Noah was apparently capable. Do you think he was also God dressed up like story book Jesus to only look like a man?
b) The story book Jesus was a fraud -
The earliest Orthodox Jews (Pharisees & Sadducees) recognised from their TORAH (First 5 books of the bible), the fraudulent claims of this biblical Jesus.
The Christian understanding is that the messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.
But we are taught in this proven self contradicting bible that no one can die for the sins of another. -
In Deuteronomy 24:16 (KJV) it specifically says this:
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 1.)
cf.
Fathers must not be put to death for what their children24 do, nor children for what their fathers do; each must be put to death for his own sin. (Deut. 24:16) NET (See also: post2966264 (Post#1586, story book contradictions Deut. 24:16 Oops! Ex. 20: 5. LOL!))
This was later confirmed by -
Ezekiel 18:20 RSV
"THE SON SHALL NOT SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER. NOR THE FATHER SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE SON; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."
Ezekiel 18:20 also "pulls the rug out from under" Christianity's main premise, that all generations of mankind are burdened with sin and death stemming from Adam's act of disobedience. Only Christ's redeeming shed blood can end this never-ending cycle of sin and death. Quite clearly Ezekiel refutes this notion. "The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father." (Online Source: http://www.bibleorigins.net/MoabiteBloodMessiah.html)
More so -
Jews correctly also, do not believe in original sin.
IN SHORT... Jews do not believe in the existence of Original Sin. The concept of Original Sin simply states that because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, they brought Death into the world. Every human being dies because Adam and Eve committed a sin, and for their sin, all humans are punished with death. However, the Bible describes something entirely different. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden because if they remained, they could eat the fruit of the Tree of Life, which would make them IMmortal. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become IMmortal, then they were created mortal to begin with. They did not bring Death into the world, and we don't die because they sinned. As a matter of Biblical fact, the answer to Question One shows that one person cannot die as the punishment for the sins committed by another. We die because Death is a natural part of existence, and has been since from the moment the first human beings were created. That is why God told the animals, before Adam and Eve ate the fruit from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil, to be fruitful and to multiply, since they needed to replace themselves. God also told the same thing to Adam and Eve before they ate that fruit as well. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 5.)
i) I have successfully achieved exposing you people pretending to be story book christians as absolute frauds and only dishonestly self appointed christians and your legitimate evidence that the story book is the words of a God given to man remains a constant zero.
ii) That those claiming to be genuine christians all dismiss the attributes and manifestations required of a genuine story book Jesus believer and all you offer instead is pathetic excuses and sarcasm for your collective and individual failures. Just like your excuses for not obeying Matt. 19:21. You people are currently a sick dishonest joke!
I have more respect for most atheists and non-believers, for many have already literally sacrificed their lives on the battle-field for their countrymen (religious or not) without demanding or expecting any divine rewards unlike self appointed christians and the story book Jesus that selfishly sacrificed itself only temporarily and only on the expectation of divine rewards.
My 50 year tally remains unbroken so far -
Pretend genuine christians with pathetic excuses for their failures = 100%
Genuine story book christians = 0
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Take me on
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Composer, first of all you are barking up the wrong tree, I am not a Christian. Second of all, you clearly do not understand much of the story book you keep quoting from. Noah was righteous yes, but perfect he was most certainly not.
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Wow...what do you win Composer? A blue ribbon...a gold star?
Not worth getting worked up over cman....it is really kind of sad IMO.
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Composer, I posted my previous response without reading your entire last post. Frankly, you were so completely off the mark with your Noah remark that my gut response was that the rest of your post wasn't worth taking the time to read. But, I came back and read it anyway. Pretty damned funny, you telling me all about what the Jews believe, because I AM Jewish.
And I have to say, I find it quite offensive that you would use my religion (which you don't seem to be a follwer of)to insult and antagonize those of another faith. That is most definitely NOT the Jewish way. So, while you can quote scripture and you can quote other sources, you plainly do not understand the meaning of the words you are quoting.
In the process, by the way, you completely changed the subject. You started this thread by quoting the Bible and claiming because you didn't know anyone who followed that particular passage of scripture, these people were imperfect and therefore false Christians. It is your premise that is false (as I already showed you), not the Christians you are attempting to disparage.
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In that point, you speak the unblemished fact about atheists/unbelievers dying for their respective countries, a fact that many religious (mainly of the fundy variety) wish to downplay or dismiss.
That said however, you show yourself to be a kind of fraud in the overreaching blanket statement you make by portraying all religious people as frauds. Note that I didn't say the religions as frauds, which is another dollar for another day. No, you portray all religious people as frauds, and that is where your epic fail lies.
And please, stop with the "I have more respect for atheists/unbelievers" song-and-dance. It is clear to me that you use us as merely a tool, ... an imaginary ally in your rant, as it were. If it weren't for the 'religious frauds' you say you complain about, you'd direct your self-righteous wrath at us, ... for whatever imaginary slight.
Dude! Go outside into the fresh air and sunshine. ... Go do something more productive than you're doing now. ... Get a job. ... Do something! ... Anything than the total waste of time that you're doing now! Because many here, even many of the ones whom I often disagree with, are anything _but_ a bunch of frauds.
Besides, what are you doing that provides a more viable alternative, ... hhmmmmm? ;)
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Geeze! This whole "I win, you lose" banter reminds me of a PeeWee Herman routine or something.
I know you are but what am I?
I know you are but what am I?
I know you are but what am I?
AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!
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God first
thanks Composer
because not sure name you have
maybe James Trimm can join you, your cult
because he has Religion like your's
the two you make a pair
Composer is for God while James Trimm is against God
what a pair
with love and a holy kiss Roy
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I accept your apology for not reading fully what I wrote. That explains why you make mistakes in your understandings by not taking in to consideration everything that is written.
The KJV story book quotes Noah as being perfect. Do you want to deny that also?
These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. { perfect : or, upright} (Gen. 6:9) KJV story book, legitimately deny it if you can? (your alleged evidence is?)
Are you then claiming the site - http://whatjewsbelieve.org/ is misrepresenting Jews?
Perhaps you could contact them and show them why and get back to us with your evidence and their responses?
My personal email is: franjac1@westnet.com.au when you think you have the legitimate evidence to support your claims against them.
Oh! so you wash your hands of the story book Jews having the story book Jesus crucified, I knew the bible was a lie, the text false and this Jesus never existed.
Thanks for confirming that.
I antagonise and insult no one, they do it to themselves by making outrageous claims they can not legitimately substantiate. I simply provide the facts as they shoot themselves down and embarrass themselves with it.
Looks like the story book has insulted your Jewish forefathers then e.g. -
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him , saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:31-33) KJV story book (My Bold)
I'll also be most pleased for you to confirm again the bible tells repeated lies including exposing your Jewish religion as a vicious and violent one that stoned people to death for criticising or disagreeing with its beliefs?
Allegedly such as?
Temporary tangents often occurs in debate, however all discussions are related to the story book tales and are pertinent.
My premiss is accurate even by the very fact that not a single so called christian outside the story book has ever legitimately obeyed nor manifested the story book promises to a genuine story book Jesus believer. Mind you I have only been personally searching for 50 years. LOL!
Better luck next time deary!
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and your proof of this?
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