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According to this movie, saltpeter is made "by treating sodium nitrate with potassium chloride, of course."  However, that's not what those chemicals would have been called, nor was that how saltpeter would have been made.

-A fist-fight breaks out between 2 characters after a series of insults was exchanged. The one that sparked the first punch was "LAWYER!"  Both men were actually lawyers in that exchange.

-The big chart that appears so conspicuously was added to help the audience keep track of what was going on.

-The theatrical release of this movie left out at least one scene, allegedly at the request of the sitting president who thought it was aimed at him.  If that's true, the request wasn't made at the time the film was being prepared for general release.  (The current versions include the scene.)

-It wasn't frivolous to ask for pins.  Since electroplating hadn't been invented, pins at the time wore out a lot, and were used in great numbers.

-This movie's depiction of "the committee of five" has influenced how the public has viewed them, down to how they have been depicted to students.

-None of the wives shown in the movie were present in the events depicted, but one was shown to be elsewhere, so I think that shouldn't count.

-At the time, critics VIncent Canby and Roger Ebert panned this movie.

"Oh, Mr. Dickinson, I'm surprised at you. You should know that rebellion is always legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion." It is only in the third person - "their rebellion" - that it is illegal. "

"Answer straight: what would be its purpose?"    "Yes, well..."    "To place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent."

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According to this movie, saltpeter is made "by treating sodium nitrate with potassium chloride, of course."  However, that's not what those chemicals would have been called, nor was that how saltpeter would have been made.

-A fist-fight breaks out between 2 characters after a series of insults was exchanged. The one that sparked the first punch was "LAWYER!"  Both men were actually lawyers in that exchange.

-The big chart that appears so conspicuously was added to help the audience keep track of what was going on.

-The theatrical release of this movie left out at least one scene, allegedly at the request of the sitting president who thought it was aimed at him.  If that's true, the request wasn't made at the time the film was being prepared for general release.  (The current versions include the scene.)

-It wasn't frivolous to ask for pins.  Since electroplating hadn't been invented, pins at the time wore out a lot, and were used in great numbers.

-This movie's depiction of "the committee of five" has influenced how the public has viewed them, down to how they have been depicted to students.

-None of the wives shown in the movie were present in the events depicted, but one was shown to be elsewhere, so I think that shouldn't count.

-At the time, critics VIncent Canby and Roger Ebert panned this movie.

"Oh, Mr. Dickinson, I'm surprised at you. You should know that rebellion is always legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion." It is only in the third person - "their rebellion" - that it is illegal. "

"Answer straight: what would be its purpose?"    "Yes, well..."    "To place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent."

 

One of the disagreements in this movie was the choice between a turkey, a dove, and an eagle. 

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4 hours ago, GeorgeStGeorge said:

The disagreement was about which should be the national bird.  Ben Franklin favored the turkey.  :anim-smile:

George

In the movie,  Jefferson proposes the dove, a symbol of peace, Adams proposes the eagle, and Franklin mentions its reputation as a symbol of European empires.  He suggests the turkey as a native bird,  a food source for the Indians, and brave enough to attack British soldiers. 

One source I read claimed that Franklin never seriously proposed the turkey.  Someone sketched an eagle but did such a poor job of it, it looked more like a turkey than an eagle, so Franklin, in jest, pretended the person had suggested the turkey and sketched one intentionally.  That sounds like Franklin's humor, but I'm not certain it happened that way, nor the other way, for that matter.

BTW, the movie had a chart with the names of the 13 colonies, and as votes were cast on something, the colony's name was slid over to one side or the other, making the vote obvious.  There was no such sign for real in Independence Hall, but dramatic license suggested something to help the viewers keep track of complex votes.

As for the committee to write the Declaration of Independence, sketches of them tend to look JUST like the actors for those roles from this movie.  In the Schoolhouse Rock song "Fireworks", their names are correctly given, and they look like the art is based directly on the actors. 

John Adams and Abigail were in scenes that showed them in different places, but as if they could communicate with each other directly, while one was holding a letter from the other. 

Oh, and "What would be its purpose?" was about the proposal to write up The Declaration of Independence.

This movie, although long,  IMHO, is quite good. I recommend it, even if you have to watch it in 2 installments or something.

 

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This film was the favorite of the director. (An actor, but who did not appear in this film.  His brother did.)

Much of the film was made in the greater Houston area.  I have eaten at a Tex-Mex place in Friendswood displaying a photo of the film stars eating there.

Walter Cronkite added new voice tracks to old archival footage.

George

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LOL.  I don't think Godzilla was filmed in the Houston area.

This film was the favorite of the director. (An actor, but who did not appear in this film.  His brother did.)

Much of the film was made in the greater Houston area.  I have eaten at a Tex-Mex place in Friendswood displaying a photo of the film stars eating there.

Walter Cronkite added new voice tracks to old archival footage.

Weightless scenes were filmed aboard the "Vomit Comet."  None of the stars got sick, but several of the film crew did.

The director often jokingly referred to his stars as "actronauts."

George

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It is.  Director Ron Howard, actor Clint Howard.  The stars were proud about not losing their lunches during the weightless scenes (and they spent a LOT of time in the "Vomit Comet").  La Casita is a Tex-Mex restaurant in Friendswood (not far from Clear Lake, where NASA is).  A photo of Tom Hanks with several of the staff hangs proudly on the wall.

George

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Clint Howard had my favorite line in the movie.  When Bacon's character, in orbit, mentions he forgot to file his taxes before going up, and asked if someone could tell the IRS, one guy in Mission Control (Clint H) says "That's not funny-they'll JUMP on him!"   while the others chuckle.

Ok, I need a movie, let's see....

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Next movie.

"When the story becomes fact, print the legend."

This classic movie's been discussed by a number of people, and this line is well-known on its own. 

In the Star Wars comic books,  a minor character's name was inspired by one of the main characters of this movie.

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On 1/8/2022 at 3:55 AM, WordWolf said:

Clint Howard had my favorite line in the movie.  When Bacon's character, in orbit, mentions he forgot to file his taxes before going up, and asked if someone could tell the IRS, one guy in Mission Control (Clint H) says "That's not funny-they'll JUMP on him!"   while the others chuckle.

Ok, I need a movie, let's see....

That line was ad-libbed.  Howard was having IRS troubles at the time.

George

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-"When the story becomes fact, print the legend."

This classic movie's been discussed by a number of people, and this line is well-known on its own. 

-In the Star Wars comic books,  a minor character's name was inspired by one of the main characters of this movie.  You've probably never heard of the character, but fans seemed to like him, so he appeared in flashbacks a little more (he died in his first appearance.)  He was from a planet named "Shinbone."

 

-Allegedly, when Alfred Hitchcock was asked who the top 3 US directors were, he said the name of the director of this movie- 3 times in a row.

-This movie did and didn't have a theme song.  When Gene Pitney was getting ready to record the song by Burt Bacharach and Hal David, he learned that the movie was already in theaters.  It was a hit song. It also could not have been played in its entirety at the beginning of the movie, since it gave away the ending.

 

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-"You're not going to use the story, Mr. Scott?" "No, sir. This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

-There's disagreement as to why this movie was filmed in black-and-white.

This classic movie's been discussed by a number of people, and this line is well-known on its own. 

-In the Star Wars comic books,  a minor character's name was inspired by one of the main characters of this movie.  You've probably never heard of the character, but fans seemed to like him, so he appeared in flashbacks a little more (he died in his first appearance.)  He was from a planet named "Shinbone." His first name was "Beilert."

 

-Allegedly, when Alfred Hitchcock was asked who the top 3 US directors were, he said the name of the director of this movie- 3 times in a row.

-This movie did and didn't have a theme song.  When Gene Pitney was getting ready to record the song by Burt Bacharach and Hal David, he learned that the movie was already in theaters.  It was a hit song. It also could not have been played in its entirety at the beginning of the movie, since it gave away the ending.

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-"You're not going to use the story, Mr. Scott?" "No, sir. This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

-There's disagreement as to why this movie was filmed in black-and-white.

This classic movie's been discussed by a number of people, and this line is well-known on its own. 

-In the Star Wars comic books,  a minor character's name was inspired by one of the main characters of this movie.  You've probably never heard of the character, but fans seemed to like him, so he appeared in flashbacks a little more (he died in his first appearance.)  He was from a planet named "Shinbone." His first name was "Beilert." (It's almost an anagram of the first name of the character who inspired him. I can't post the name because it's in the movie title.)

 

-Allegedly, when Alfred Hitchcock was asked who the top 3 US directors were, he said the name of the director of this movie- 3 times in a row ("John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford.")

-This movie did and didn't have a theme song.  When Gene Pitney was getting ready to record the song by Burt Bacharach and Hal David, he learned that the movie was already in theaters.  It was a hit song. It also could not have been played in its entirety at the beginning of the movie, since it gave away the ending.

-Most people wouldn't name this movie if asked to name a John Wayne movie. However, The Duke was in this movie.

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-"You're not going to use the story, Mr. Scott?" "No, sir. This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

-There's disagreement as to why this movie was filmed in black-and-white.

This classic movie's been discussed by a number of people, and this line is well-known on its own. 

-In the Star Wars comic books,  a minor character's name was inspired by one of the main characters of this movie.  You've probably never heard of the character, but fans seemed to like him, so he appeared in flashbacks a little more (he died in his first appearance.)  He was from a planet named "Shinbone." His first name was "Beilert." (It's almost an anagram of the first name of the character who inspired him. I can't post the name because it's in the movie title.)

 

-Allegedly, when Alfred Hitchcock was asked who the top 3 US directors were, he said the name of the director of this movie- 3 times in a row ("John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford.")

-This movie did and didn't have a theme song.  When Gene Pitney was getting ready to record the song by Burt Bacharach and Hal David, he learned that the movie was already in theaters.  It was a hit song. It also could not have been played in its entirety at the beginning of the movie, since it gave away the ending.

-Most people wouldn't name this movie if asked to name a John Wayne movie. However, The Duke was in this movie.

 

_Excerpts from reviews:  "Long before Watergate-era cynicism about the media set in, we were told with a wink by perhaps the West's principal mythologist to be skeptical about everything we had been told."

"With all the Ford requirements and the Ford mystique, including John Wayne and James Stewart off- setting each other's archetypal physiques, presences, worlds and implications; and Edmond O'Brien, at his uproariest."

"Hence, contrary to expectations of realist films, this western stands out for how comprehensive a town and a world it manages to build around its central event."

"There's much to say about it; the simplest is that it's both the most romantic of Westerns and the greatest American political movie."

-According to "data", this movie made the top 50 best movies of all time.  I must say, choosing to film a movie in black-and-white in 1962 is risky, but the director made it work for him.

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9 hours ago, GeorgeStGeorge said:

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (?)

George

That's it, complete with the correct spelling.   With the Star Wars character, his first name is an anagram of "liberte". His home planet is "Shinbone", the town where this movie takes place.  (He was introduced solely as "Valance" and I thought it was a reference to electron shells.) 

According to Robert Wuhl, the Liberty Valance effect is when fiction becomes part of accepted history.  He discussed it when he discussed why everyone knows Paul Revere's ride, but Israel Bissell rode a much longer distance the same night and almost nobody remembers him.

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Two versions of this movie are available.  The theatrical release is shorter and has several light elements to counter the action/drama.  The version released on video and streaming services is much longer, has virtually no lightness, and actually has a significantly different plot.

This movie was initially going to be split into two parts, with an alleged singular continuing story line. But by the time filming was under way, the idea of the film being in two parts seemed to have quietly gone away.

One of the stars was pregnant during the latter part of filming, but only one of the co-stars guessed it.

George

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