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9 hours ago, GeorgeStGeorge said:

Even if that's right, what was the other film, based on a newsroom?

George

 

On 2/7/2020 at 2:33 PM, Raf said:

I'll take either the original or the remake,

Wow, I did not pay attention to how far back the original post went last night when I stumbled upon it.  Posted on Feb 4 who would have thought?  Either way you do have the remake correct even without confirmation from Raf.

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I wasn't looking for confirmation so much as just to find out what the original film was.  WW cleared that up.

As is often the case with sequels, this one bombed, although the original was quite successful.  One main reason was that only one of the original cast returned for the sequel.  (The others saw the script and bolted.)  One old comic replaced the first; one Saturday Night Live cast member replaced another.  Other replacements were similar in size and demeanor to the originals.  Note:  only the returning cast member reprised his role.  In other words, the replacements were like Cyrano Jones for Harry Mudd, not like Dick Sargent replacing Dick York as Darrin Stevens.

Robert Stack stated (sarcastically) that performing in this film was the highlight of his illustrious career.

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My apologies, gentlemen. I wrote the below right after WW posted his "A Few Good Men" alternative guess. No idea why it did not post.

 

It was No Way Out

 

Based on the novel The Big Clock, which was a movie in 1948 with the same general plot.

No Way Out was filmed before The Untouchables but released after it.

Costner and Gene Hackman were considered separately for the lead roles in The Fugitive. I could totally see it.

 

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6 hours ago, WordWolf said:

Didn't see it, it looked like a bomb to me.

*thinks*

Old comic...... was this "CADDYSHACK II" ???  I think Jackie Mason was in that one.

Yes.  Only Chevy Chase reprised his role.  Jackie Mason essentially replaced Rodney Dangerfield, and Dan Aykroyd replace Bill Murray.  Pretty boy Robert Stack replaced Ted Knight.  The Randy Quaid role would have originally gone to Sam Kinison, but Kinison backed out when Dangerfield did.

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-This movie was a success.  The original cut of the film was about double the final cut.  A marathon editing session trimmed the film down, and dropped all the jokes that didn't work and all the scenes that slowed down the story (and a few that were just...off.)   

-One well-known actor wasn't credited when the movie hit the theaters- by his request.  

-Columbia Pictures refused to film this movie in the way the director insisted.  So, he went to Fox and the movie was a hit- filmed the director's way.  

- Because the same agent represented 3 actors, 2 of them- who played major comedic roles- were suggested to the third as possible cast members.     

-The "Darwin" mentioned was ERASMUS Darwin,  grandfather to Charles.    -

-Go ahead and count them- there's exactly 2 murders in this film- and one of them doesn't exactly count.   

-Deleted scenes included a reading of a will, and some exposition explaining who a certain police inspector was.

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-This movie was a success.  The original cut of the film was about double the final cut.  A marathon editing session trimmed the film down, and dropped all the jokes that didn't work and all the scenes that slowed down the story (and a few that were just...off.)   

-One well-known actor wasn't credited when the movie hit the theaters- by his request.  

-Columbia Pictures refused to film this movie in the way the director insisted.  So, he went to Fox and the movie was a hit- filmed the director's way.  

- Because the same agent represented 3 actors, 2 of them- who played major comedic roles- were suggested to the third as possible cast members.     

-The "Darwin" mentioned was ERASMUS Darwin,  grandfather to Charles.    -

-Go ahead and count them- there's exactly 2 murders in this film- and one of them doesn't exactly count.   

-Deleted scenes included a reading of a will, and some exposition explaining who a certain police inspector was.

-Black Forest Cherry Cake was mentioned and eaten in this movie.  The Lancet was read in this movie. 

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-This movie was a success.  The original cut of the film was about double the final cut.  A marathon editing session trimmed the film down, and dropped all the jokes that didn't work and all the scenes that slowed down the story (and a few that were just...off.)   

-One well-known actor wasn't credited when the movie hit the theaters- by his request.  

-Columbia Pictures refused to film this movie in the way the director insisted.  So, he went to Fox and the movie was a hit- filmed the director's way.  

- Because the same agent represented 3 actors, 2 of them- who played major comedic roles- were suggested to the third as possible cast members.     

-The "Darwin" mentioned was ERASMUS Darwin,  grandfather to Charles.   

-Go ahead and count them- there's exactly 2 murders in this film- and one of them doesn't exactly count.   

-Deleted scenes included a reading of a will, and some exposition explaining who a certain police inspector was.

-Black Forest Cherry Cake was mentioned and eaten in this movie.  The Lancet was read in this movie. 

-Local to me is a pasta place named "Verm Y Chely."   It's a running gag between me and Wordpup to pass it and say "Are you speaking of the WORM or the SPAGHETTI?"  as a reference to this movie.  If that doesn't ring a bell, at least remember that a worm-with very few exceptions- is NOT a human being.

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-This movie was a success.  The original cut of the film was about double the final cut.  A marathon editing session trimmed the film down, and dropped all the jokes that didn't work and all the scenes that slowed down the story (and a few that were just...off.)   

-One well-known actor wasn't credited when the movie hit the theaters- by his request.  

-Columbia Pictures refused to film this movie in the way the director insisted.  So, he went to Fox and the movie was a hit- filmed the director's way.  

- Because the same agent represented 3 actors, 2 of them- who played major comedic roles- were suggested to the third as possible cast members.     

-The "Darwin" mentioned was ERASMUS Darwin,  grandfather to Charles.   

-Go ahead and count them- there's exactly 2 murders in this film- and one of them doesn't exactly count.   

-Deleted scenes included a reading of a will, and some exposition explaining who a certain police inspector was.

-Black Forest Cherry Cake was mentioned and eaten in this movie.  The Lancet was read in this movie. 

-Local to me is a pasta place named "Verm Y Chely."   It's a running gag between me and Wordpup to pass it and say "Are you speaking of the WORM or the SPAGHETTI?"  as a reference to this movie.  If that doesn't ring a bell, at least remember that a worm-with very few exceptions- is NOT a human being.

-The lecture worked for the audience, but the students should have been advanced well beyond it by the time they got TO that lecture.   Then again, since the lecture itself wasn't the point of the scene, the audience just goes with it.

-If you look closely, you'll see Kenny Marsh imitating a much more famous, repeated, moment in the movie, done by another actor.

-It's considered a goof that one character "knocks"  when arriving "home".  However, it's equally likely he "knocked"  to call another character to the door to announce their arrival, and to perform introductions. 

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-This movie was a success.  The original cut of the film was about double the final cut.  A marathon editing session trimmed the film down, and dropped all the jokes that didn't work and all the scenes that slowed down the story (and a few that were just...off.)   

-One well-known actor wasn't credited when the movie hit the theaters- by his request.  

-Columbia Pictures refused to film this movie in the way the director insisted.  So, he went to Fox and the movie was a hit- filmed the director's way.  

- Because the same agent represented 3 actors, 2 of them- who played major comedic roles- were suggested to the third as possible cast members.     

-The "Darwin" mentioned was ERASMUS Darwin,  grandfather to Charles.   

-Go ahead and count them- there's exactly 2 murders in this film- and one of them doesn't exactly count.   

-Deleted scenes included a reading of a will, and some exposition explaining who a certain police inspector was.

-Black Forest Cherry Cake was mentioned and eaten in this movie.  The Lancet was read in this movie. 

-Local to me is a pasta place named "Verm Y Chely."   It's a running gag between me and Wordpup to pass it and say "Are you speaking of the WORM or the SPAGHETTI?"  as a reference to this movie.  If that doesn't ring a bell, at least remember that a worm-with very few exceptions- is NOT a human being.

-The lecture worked for the audience, but the students should have been advanced well beyond it by the time they got TO that lecture.   Then again, since the lecture itself wasn't the point of the scene, the audience just goes with it.

-If you look closely, you'll see Kenny Marsh imitating a much more famous, repeated, moment in the movie, done by another actor.

-It's considered a goof that one character "knocks"  when arriving "home".  However, it's equally likely he "knocked"  to call another character to the door to announce their arrival, and to perform introductions. 

- There's actually a titular line.  The inspector says the title in his lines- not that most people noticed or could make it out!

-"Tail piece"  is how one non-translated word would be rendered in English- but it isn't a word at all in the language in which it was spoken. (Unless, say, it got added due to this movie.)

-He did NOT say a dirty word!

The cinematographer/ film expert was initially told to shoot in a style- but he SHOULD have been told to EVOKE the style and not actually COPY it.  He was supposed to render it BRIGHTER- which he did, once he was told to.

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-This movie was a success.  The original cut of the film was about double the final cut.  A marathon editing session trimmed the film down, and dropped all the jokes that didn't work and all the scenes that slowed down the story (and a few that were just...off.)   

-One well-known actor wasn't credited when the movie hit the theaters- by his request.   (Now everybody knows he was in it.)

-Columbia Pictures refused to film this movie in the way the director insisted.  So, he went to Fox and the movie was a hit- filmed the director's way (black and white.)

- Because the same agent represented 3 actors, 2 of them- who played major comedic roles- were suggested to the third as possible cast members.     

-The "Darwin" mentioned was ERASMUS Darwin,  grandfather to Charles.   

-Go ahead and count them- there's exactly 2 murders in this film- and one of them doesn't exactly count.   (He got better.)

-Deleted scenes included a reading of a will, and some exposition explaining who a certain police inspector was. (Inspector Kemp.)

-Black Forest Cherry Cake (schwarzwalder kirschtort) was mentioned and eaten in this movie.  The Lancet was read in this movie.  (On the train.)

-Local to me is a pasta place named "Verm Y Chely."   It's a running gag between me and Wordpup to pass it and say "Are you speaking of the WORM or the SPAGHETTI?"  as a reference to this movie.  If that doesn't ring a bell, at least remember that a worm-with very few exceptions- is NOT a human being.

-The lecture worked for the audience, but the students should have been advanced well beyond it by the time they got TO that lecture.   Then again, since the lecture itself wasn't the point of the scene, the audience just goes with it.

-If you look closely, you'll see Kenny Marsh imitating a much more famous, repeated, moment in the movie, done by another actor.

-It's considered a goof that one character "knocks"  when arriving "home".  However, it's equally likely he "knocked"  to call another character to the door to announce their arrival, and to perform introductions.  (He didn't use his knuckles, he used the door-knocker.)

- There's actually a titular line.  The inspector says the title in his lines- not that most people noticed or could make it out! (Blame the impenetrable accent.)

-"Tail piece"  is how one non-translated word would be rendered in English- but it isn't a word at all in the language in which it was spoken. (Unless, say, it got added due to this movie.)

-He did NOT say a dirty word!

The cinematographer/ film expert was initially told to shoot in a style- but he SHOULD have been told to EVOKE the style and not actually COPY it.  He was supposed to render it BRIGHTER- which he did, once he was told to.

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12 hours ago, WordWolf said:

-This movie was a success.  The original cut of the film was about double the final cut.  A marathon editing session trimmed the film down, and dropped all the jokes that didn't work and all the scenes that slowed down the story (and a few that were just...off.)   

[The DVD includes SOME deleted scenes. Some don't work and slow down the story- and two don't fit the final story.]

-One well-known actor wasn't credited when the movie hit the theaters- by his request.   (Now everybody knows he was in it.)

[Gene Hackman.]

-Columbia Pictures refused to film this movie in the way the director insisted.  So, he went to Fox and the movie was a hit- filmed the director's way (black and white.)

["Young Frankenstein"  was filmed in black and white, which was VERY unusual for its time.  Even Fox tried to trick Brooks into filming it in color- but he knew they'd "accidentally"  release it worldwide in color if he did.]

- Because the same agent represented 3 actors, 2 of them- who played major comedic roles- were suggested to the third as possible cast members.  

[Peter Boyle and Marty Feldman  were recommended on that basis.]   

-The "Darwin" mentioned was ERASMUS Darwin,  grandfather to Charles.   

[The "Darwin"  who preserved a piece of vermicelli (the worm)  until it seemed to move by itself.]

-Go ahead and count them- there's exactly 2 murders in this film- and one of them doesn't exactly count.   (He got better.)

[The Frankenstein monster was hanged.  The official who psychologically tortured him with fire was strangled to death. (He was too stupid to live.)]

-Deleted scenes included a reading of a will, and some exposition explaining who a certain police inspector was. (Inspector Kemp.)

[The will was fascinating, but slowed down the movie.  The arrival of Inspector Kemp at Schloss Frankenstein included explaining how the monster had destroyed one of his eyes and one of his arms.]

-Black Forest Cherry Cake (schwarzwalder kirschtort) was mentioned and eaten in this movie.  The Lancet was read in this movie.  (On the train.)

[Schwarzwalder kirschtort was the dessert mentioned.  ("Mmmmm."  "Oh, do you like it?")   Frederick read The Lancet while taking the trains. ]

-Local to me is a pasta place named "Verm Y Chely."   It's a running gag between me and Wordpup to pass it and say "Are you speaking of the WORM or the SPAGHETTI?"  as a reference to this movie.  If that doesn't ring a bell, at least remember that a worm-with very few exceptions- is NOT a human being.

[The lecture scene was for the audience, and was meant to have Frederick show how he felt about Victor Frankenstein.  It also had the exchange about the vermichelli and how a worm-with very few exceptions- is NOT a human being.]

-The lecture worked for the audience, but the students should have been advanced well beyond it by the time they got TO that lecture.   Then again, since the lecture itself wasn't the point of the scene, the audience just goes with it.

-If you look closely, you'll see Kenny Marsh imitating a much more famous, repeated, moment in the movie, done by another actor.

[There's at least 2 physical jokes in the hunt for the monster in the "forest".  One is a villager stumbling into a tree with all the fog. (Too smoothly done to be an accident.) At one point, Inspector Kemp adjusts his wooden arm- which has SWITCHED SIDES a la I-gor's hump.]

-It's considered a goof that one character "knocks"  when arriving "home".  However, it's equally likely he "knocked"  to call another character to the door to announce their arrival, and to perform introductions.  (He didn't use his knuckles, he used the door-knocker.)

[Imdb lists it as a goof, but I thought it made perfect sense when Frederick arrived for the first time at Schloss Frankenstein.]

- There's actually a titular line.  The inspector says the title in his lines- not that most people noticed or could make it out! (Blame the impenetrable accent.)

["We'd better confirm the fact that young Frankenstein is not vollowing in his granvader's vootschteps."  "What?"  "Following in his grandvader's vootschteps. Vootschteps! *shuffles his feet" "Oh, FOOTSTEPS!"]

-"Tail piece"  is how one non-translated word would be rendered in English- but it isn't a word at all in the language in which it was spoken. (Unless, say, it got added due to this movie.)

[Inga's comment that the monster, with his body scaled up, would have an enormous "shwanschtuker."    ("Woof" was an improvised line by Teri Garr that Madeline Kahn later repeated.) "He's gonna be very popular."]

-He did NOT say a dirty word!

[The charades scene to get "Give him the sedative." "Said a--"  "Dirty word! He said a dirty word!"  ]

The cinematographer/ film expert was initially told to shoot in a style- but he SHOULD have been told to EVOKE the style and not actually COPY it.  He was supposed to render it BRIGHTER- which he did, once he was told to.

[He was told to copy the style of the old Universal monster movies when he should have been told to EVOKE them and make the actual scenes brighter.  We ended up with dark foregrounds and so on but brightness where the actors and dialogue were.]

 

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The author wrote the first draft of this movie in 1971, and sent it to Jim Morrison in hopes that he would play the part that another actor would ultimately play. Morrison had the script on him when he was found dead in Paris.

In many U.S. military leadership classes, the character of Lieutenant Wolfe is used as an example of how not to behave as a junior officer.

During the filming of one scene in a helicopter, the helicopter banked hard, and one of the stars almost fell out.  Another star grabbed him just in time.

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There's a chance, but it's a very small one.

(In other words, it is not Catch-22.)

Once I start naming actors, it will probably give it away, but...

According to the director, he intentionally cast Tom Berenger and Willem Dafoe against type (Berenger, who played the ruthless, sadistic Sergeant Barnes, was mostly famous at that point for playing good guys, while Dafoe, who had primarily played villains up until then, played the heroic, compassionate Sergeant Elias). The casting worked, and both men received Oscar nominations for their work.

The author wrote the first draft of this movie in 1971, and sent it to Jim Morrison in hopes that he would play the part that another actor would ultimately play. Morrison had the script on him when he was found dead in Paris.

In many U.S. military leadership classes, the character of Lieutenant Wolfe is used as an example of how not to behave as a junior officer.

During the filming of one scene in a helicopter, the helicopter banked hard, and one of the stars almost fell out.  Another star grabbed him just in time.

George

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