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Ok, minimal spoilers until I hear something else.   I'm sure you recognized Arkham Asylum's inmates. The only name I didn't get instantly was Mark Guggenheim- writer of Batman Confidential, some of the Arrowverse episodes, and probably that very same one.  

I tried to reserve judgement on Ruby Rose's performance until I saw it.  I already had a partially-lowered opinion of her from previous information (making a professional name out of a cartoon character,  deciding to go into acting with a LOT of tattoos-which limits your role potential,  Australians saying they didn't know why Americans gave her a job acting after she was unable to find work in Australia due to being a bad actress, etc.)  Having seen her in the role, both the Mrs and I think she was a horrible casting choice, and we both have different lists of reasons for it. (I assume they overlap, but I'm unlikely to subject her to a separate discussion about why a bad actress is bad. )

Assuming that "she's a bad actress overall" is not a reason (even though it's enough by itself), let's look at her and that role.  She was a POOR FIT for playing Kate Kane.  They had to rewrite the character to make her work at all- after there was already a vision for the character.   That, to me, is a sign the wrong actor was picked.  Look- the remake of "Clash of the Titans" wanted an actor for Perseus.  He accepted- but wanted major changes in the tone and meaning of the movie for him to play it.  Changing the whole movie to cater to one actor is a bad sign for the movie, and, IMHO, should NEVER be done. It's a sign they have the wrong person for the job.  "I can do it- but you'll need to cater to me first" means we need to screen more applicants!  Things only go downhill from there- ask any supervisor.    But they used that same actor, and made major changes to the script for him.   RR looks nothing like KK-  so they changed the character A LOT to say "and this is what the character looks like."   Assuming she only has one voice she can act in-  otherwise, she was an idiot for not using 2-  RR is a poor choice for ANY character with a secret identity.  In this intro, Kare Kane sounds EXACTLY like Batwoman and like what Batwoman should be expected to sound like.  I don't know if she was a poor choice for someone wearing the Batwoman costume, but she's an awful fit for Kate Kane.  Simply put, they could have found a BETTER actress that fulfilled their list to fill the role. 

 

As far as the crossover goes,  other than that, I liked it. Even there, I appreciated little things like the Shakespeare head.  I felt there was a major loss with a failure to use the line "would you care to step outside" in Part 3. I was expecting it when we got there.   As the crossover began, I asked about characters who were brought into it a bit later.  "The Trigger Twins"?  I'm almost sorry we missed the cowboy hats. 

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I really enjoyed the Smallville scenes.  The location sure LOOKED like the set from "Smallville," and the "Somebody Save Me" song brought a smile.  And, of course, the Gotham music was, I think, from the Tim Burton films.

I suspect that the main reason Ruby Rose was chosen to play Batwoman is that there is a lot of pressure from the gay community to have gays in homosexual roles.  Of course, on the CW network half of the characters are gay or bi.  (And I don't know OR CARE if the actors who portray them are.)

AMAZO looked more like the version from Justice League Unlimited than from the comic books.  I think the idea that he actually has to scan a target for powers before assimilating them makes sense.  It's a good thing J'onn wasn't around.  If AMAZO had his telepathy (not to mention invisibility, shape-shifting, etc.) he would have been tipped to the heroes' plan to take him down.

I have an older TV, and I couldn't make out the names of the Arkham residents.  Who were they?

I assume that John Diggle is either John Stewart on Earth-90 or their Green Lantern is John Diggle.  Cute that Barry Allen-90 asks him about his ring.

More later.

George

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10 hours ago, GeorgeStGeorge said:

I really enjoyed the Smallville scenes.  The location sure LOOKED like the set from "Smallville," and the "Somebody Save Me" song brought a smile.  And, of course, the Gotham music was, I think, from the Tim Burton films.

I suspect that the main reason Ruby Rose was chosen to play Batwoman is that there is a lot of pressure from the gay community to have gays in homosexual roles.  Of course, on the CW network half of the characters are gay or bi.  (And I don't know OR CARE if the actors who portray them are.)

AMAZO looked more like the version from Justice League Unlimited than from the comic books.  I think the idea that he actually has to scan a target for powers before assimilating them makes sense.  It's a good thing J'onn wasn't around.  If AMAZO had his telepathy (not to mention invisibility, shape-shifting, etc.) he would have been tipped to the heroes' plan to take him down.

I have an older TV, and I couldn't make out the names of the Arkham residents.  Who were they?

I assume that John Diggle is either John Stewart on Earth-90 or their Green Lantern is John Diggle.  Cute that Barry Allen-90 asks him about his ring.

More later.

George

The "Smallville" theme was cute.  BTW, I almost never watched that show, but I recognized the theme instantly.  I apparently didn't have the audio up enough to make out Gotham music.

It was announced that the intention was to get a lesbian actress to play this lesbian character.  For the sake of discussion, supposing that was a sensible reason to cast, the absence of a process was offensive.  Really, with all the lesbian actresses out there, this was the one they chose for the role?  She was ill-suited for it other than "She's a lesbian? Ok, she's hired. We don't need to do an audition or anything."   Also, let's keep up on our terms. She more recently announced herself "gender-fluid." When her gender switches to male, then she's heterosexual. By the "logic" used to cast her, she should be rejected because she's not a lesbian part of the time.    If I were gay and looking to see gays playing gays, I'd be offended at the suggestion that this poor fit was the best they could do.   Then again, who cares what I think?   I don't imagine there's anything left to say on that one.  Moving on....

I caught the name "IVO" immediately. Cute that MIRAKURU came up with this Ivo just as in Earth-One, when his ship, "the Amazo", was at Liang-Yu, housing mirakuru experiments.   Mrs Wolf also pointed out that J'onn around would have made the fight unmanageable.  Shapechanging, phasing, invisibility, mind-reading....   

I have trouble picturing a TV still working but unable to render the names.  Ok, let's see.....

Room 341, O. Cobblepot,     Room 342, P. Isley,     Room 343, B. Karlo,    Room 344 E. Nigma (has a riddle scrawled to its right),    Room 345 M. Guggenheim,   then Deegan's "office." 

Yes, John was obvjously a GL on Earth-90, whether as Diggle or Stewart (just as Jay Garrick's Earth-1 counterpart wasn't Jay Garrick.)    

 

The AMAZO fight was needed for the audience's sake. It also looked cooler than a strict depiction of the original Amazo in the comic books.  Later versions had him look more robotic.  Yes, the "scan to copy" thing made a lot of sense and looked cool.  

The only description Flash-90  gave of CoIE was that the Monitor's predicting a crisis, and thinks the Elseworlds "approximates the collision of realities we are facing."  So, Earths will collide, and the Monitor thinks that their collisions will warp what's going on in the Earths that collide, resulting in status quo changes, some of them radical.  

 

I'm suspicious this will be a lot of build-up, and the results will be less than epic.   I don't think they have a cast big enough to begin this, nor enough heavy-hitters, nor will they devote enough episodes to really develop the story.   (I liked "Invasion!" but it fell FAR short of the "Invasion!" comic book storyline- and THAT felt rushed with everything happening.

 

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Riddle me this:  Barry gets back at Oliver for shooting him in the back by doing exactly the same thing.  When Oliver did it to Barry, it was to teach him "situational awareness."  Oliver even asks where the arrow launchers are.  So, why didn't he scan the area at super-speed and FIND them?

George

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My actual answer.... With both of them mindful of how the other worked, I thought that Ollie was trying to be more like Barry and just ACT.  Also, I thought that Barry (being Barry) wouldn't actually put remote launchers in place.  Then again, he WAS trying to be more like Ollie.

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For the curious, we finished the episodes to date of "Flash" and "Legends of Tomorrow."  I finished "Arrow", and am working through "Black Lightning", with "Titans" and "Supergirl" to watch afterwards. 

The mid-season for LOT was a lot of fun.  For the record, I think "POT" could totally work as a kids show.   It was even educational- we had someone teaching history, and someone teaching math and science. 

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Gotham starts up again this week (in the US).

WW mentioned "Titans," presumably the DCUniverseOnline (or whatever) streaming Titans show.  I heard from my comic shop manager that it is EXTREMELY violent, with a lot of explicit language, as well.  Not my cup of tea, to be sure.  If WW has seen it, I would be interested in his take.

George

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I'm working my way through BL, and Titans is next.   I'll mention when I catch up on BL and start Titans.   Gotham is back?  Thanks, keep me posted on when seasons begin.

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20 hours ago, WordWolf said:

I'm working my way through BL, and Titans is next.   I'll mention when I catch up on BL and start Titans.   Gotham is back?  Thanks, keep me posted on when seasons begin.

Gotham starts tonight.

George

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On 1/2/2019 at 11:17 AM, GeorgeStGeorge said:

Gotham starts up again this week (in the US).

WW mentioned "Titans," presumably the DCUniverseOnline (or whatever) streaming Titans show.  I heard from my comic shop manager that it is EXTREMELY violent, with a lot of explicit language, as well.  Not my cup of tea, to be sure.  If WW has seen it, I would be interested in his take.

George

Ok, caught part of an episode of Titans. Apparently, it's another gritty show.  Man, DC seems to have 2 flavors right now:  extreme grit and violence, and extreme left-wing.   And then there's this season of LOT, which actually has some light stuff in-between some grit and some left-wing.  I hope Flash lightens up a bit more, it was drifting into Arrow territory.

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