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Hi Mamouda.  Welcome to the café.  Yep, you'll be shocked at some of the "behind the scenes" things you discover here.  Be prepared to be horrified.

Geer was an arrogant prig and what you say is no surprise.  There's a thread about him in Way in Europe or some such forum.  He "established" Gartmore, caused a rift among the trustees that ripped TWI in half, and lurked in Gartmore plotting more of the same.  I think he is now back in Maine or some such. Gartmore was sold years ago.  There are threads on that, here; enter "Gartmore" in the search box and you will find some relevant threads.

Sexual abuse was rampant and you will find many first and second hand reports here.  There were court cases about Martindale and that's what got him thrown out, but Wierwille was never brought to justice.

You talk about your "country coordinator" - which country were/are you in?  (PM me if you don't want to say publicly)

 

Anyway, we are way off topic here!  Have fun browsing.

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On 1/25/2019 at 2:23 AM, mamouda said:

 

I'm am shocked :(  about all the things I'm reading.

Most of us were shocked about most of this.

 

My "guts" kept telling me some things were wrong...

I never went to the Corps but I heard about things that were tough.

Then heard about the sexual abuse.

 

A lot of people who were somewhat closer than little local Bible meetings saw some things that "felt wrong" but they were so convinced that the overall thing was of God that they ignored that and any "still, small voice" that said otherwise.

 

Then a few things about Geer that one day pushed me violently because someone did something he didn't like and I was in his way...

Yeah, when the cameras were off, vpw AND cgeer were nutjobs.   lcm was one 24/7 because he really thought this was all of God.  That's why he got caught where vpw was busy covering his own tracks.

 

He was about money someone told me.

Quite a bit of it was about money, and some was about ego.  The entire choice of Gartmore House for the initial location was a poor idea.  cgeer himself outlined it in his 40-page letter, but he didn't mean to say that because he signed off on the location, which was the cause of most of the site problems that resulted. (Too remote to get help, too remote to get deliveries, etc.)    I'm not sure any of his part wasn't about money OR ego.

 

 

What happened to Gartmore? Where's the money? Who collected it? Houses in Maine are expensive...

cgeer was one of the signators to "the Way in Great Britain Ltd", which owned Gartmore House.  "They" sold it off and never announced where the money went.

 

I understand why our country co wanted to protect us. We were so young...

A lot of legit Christians in twi did their best to insulate the younger Christians from fallout from the Root locales by psychopathic leaders like vpw, cgeer and lcm.

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On 1/26/2019 at 6:13 PM, WordWolf said:

I'm am shocked :(  about all the things I'm reading.

Most of us were shocked about most of this.

 

My "guts" kept telling me some things were wrong...

I never went to the Corps but I heard about things that were tough.

Then heard about the sexual abuse.

 

A lot of people who were somewhat closer than little local Bible meetings saw some things that "felt wrong" but they were so convinced that the overall thing was of God that they ignored that and any "still, small voice" that said otherwise.

 

Then a few things about Geer that one day pushed me violently because someone did something he didn't like and I was in his way...

Yeah, when the cameras were off, vpw AND cgeer were nutjobs.   lcm was one 24/7 because he really thought this was all of God.  That's why he got caught where vpw was busy covering his own tracks.

 

He was about money someone told me.

Quite a bit of it was about money, and some was about ego.  The entire choice of Gartmore House for the initial location was a poor idea.  cgeer himself outlined it in his 40-page letter, but he didn't mean to say that because he signed off on the location, which was the cause of most of the site problems that resulted. (Too remote to get help, too remote to get deliveries, etc.)    I'm not sure any of his part wasn't about money OR ego.

I went there a few times. I never felt comfortable.

 

What happened to Gartmore? Where's the money? Who collected it? Houses in Maine are expensive...

cgeer was one of the signators to "the Way in Great Britain Ltd", which owned Gartmore House.  "They" sold it off and never announced where the money went.

Not surprised to hear!

I understand why our country co wanted to protect us. We were so young...

A lot of legit Christians in twi did their best to insulate the younger Christians from fallout from the Root locales by psychopathic leaders like vpw, cgeer and lcm.

Yes we were young and full of energy to spread the Word. But some things in the PFAL like the needs and wants parallel... yeah not really sure it was accurately from the Bible at the time. Also The Bible tells me so... Then Geer's class, what a boring class! 

 

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That whole "needs and wants parallel" thing was more from the "God is a magic genie" ideology, and NOT from the Bible.   Notice no verses were ever used to discuss it?  Anecdotes, but not verses.   We've discussed some of the wrong things/errors in pfal in a few different threads around here somewhere, along with threads about the errors in the Blue Book (which includes the "needs-wants" thing.

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just wanted to assure you i didn't just post and run. glad to see the sites back up. Ill post more about what I'm up to and my history soon... 

 

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