Look at the people who did this. DECADES of PERSONAL involvement in the inner circle of twi, burying the bodies, hiding the truth, silencing truthful dissent, and so on, through decades of decay and stagnation at twi. They only jumped ship now they reached retirement age and had no recourse from twi. This isn't about a lasting group. This is about saying it's a lasting group and saying all the right things while covering a retirement and "running the clock." So long as there's sufficient freewill donations to cover them into the grave, it's all good just as it was all good to cover for the evil of twi for decades while everyone else who saw behind the circle jumped ship, whether from disgust or others with practical concerns. They just need a few hundred to cover expenses and feather their nests a bit while they retire.
Oh, and they can talk pious about how NOW they're suddenly remorseful after DECADES and how they don't REALLY want to push for money. Let the money dry up and the message will change overnight.
Look at the people who did this. DECADES of PERSONAL involvement in the inner circle of twi, burying the bodies, hiding the truth, silencing truthful dissent, and so on, through decades of decay and stagnation at twi. They only jumped ship now they reached retirement age and had no recourse from twi. This isn't about a lasting group. This is about saying it's a lasting group and saying all the right things while covering a retirement and "running the clock." So long as there's sufficient freewill donations to cover them into the grave, it's all good just as it was all good to cover for the evil of twi for decades while everyone else who saw behind the circle jumped ship, whether from disgust or others with practical concerns. They just need a few hundred to cover expenses and feather their nests a bit while they retire.
Oh, and they can talk pious about how NOW they're suddenly remorseful after DECADES and how they don't REALLY want to push for money. Let the money dry up and the message will change overnight.
Maybe, I should have added a sarc tag......
No, I'm fully aware of the deception......what they say and what they do is in two different realms.
Doing a start-up splinter.......re-directs their vaunted egos and diminishes guilt/repentance
Attempts to salvage reputation.......trying to help others with "the word" /s
Supplements income........and adds perks their way (gifts/dinners/trips)
Feathers their nest.........with some added income and activity
"Being seen in the marketplace"........as someone of importance, ie pharisee
Heck, even a couple of GSC-posters noted that Rosalie is "running out the clock."
I guess when you get tired of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic….you could always start selling souvenirs…what the he11 does that even mean? I dunno… just thought it sounded funny.
Skyrider, T-Bone, Wordwolf...you are so 'right on the money' ( excuse the pun ) about them, it's almost like prophecy !!! forth telling and foretelling that is
So long as there's sufficient freewill donations to cover them into the grave
I'm not defending them, or saying they are wonderful, but still to this day they have not asked for money. In fact, they recently reiterated that we should be giving to local people in need - that's local to us as individuals - and not to the R&R group.
I'm not defending them, or saying they are wonderful, but still to this day they have not asked for money. In fact, they recently reiterated that we should be giving to local people in need - that's local to us as individuals - and not to the R&R group.
Apparently, they all have regular jobs now.
Tell me, what does that prove?
"Apparently" appears to mean you don't really know. What DO you know about that?
"Apparently" appears to mean you don't really know. What DO you know about that?
I do know many of them work. At one point, a few of them were looking for work and/or had interviews setup and asked for others to pray for them. Those people did get work. Others I had already known were working because they weren't at HQ in Ohio, they were on the field and working already. "Apparently" is regarding the remainder.
I'm not defending them, or saying they are wonderful, but still to this day they have not asked for money. In fact, they recently reiterated that we should be giving to local people in need - that's local to us as individuals - and not to the R&R group.
Apparently, they all have regular jobs now.
Just because they have not asked for money............does not mean that they are not deceiving or being deceived.
I'm not defending them, or saying they are wonderful, but still to this day they have not asked for money. In fact, they recently reiterated that we should be giving to local people in need - that's local to us as individuals - and not to the R&R group.
Apparently, they all have regular jobs now.
What do you mean now? At the time of the original video before any of this discussion, they all already had jobs.
What do you mean now? At the time of the original video before any of this discussion, they all already had jobs.
If you're going to get a few bills under the table, or a few perks where you aren't caught not paying tax.....
...it's smart to have a job on the books. Then the IRS thinks that's your sole source of income. They won't, say, think to come around to your home and wonder why "the big television we use to display teachings" that "the ministry" owns is on the wall of YOUR living room, etc.... If you have no listed job, the IRS gets suspicious.
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Consider you may be missing their goals.
Look at the people who did this. DECADES of PERSONAL involvement in the inner circle of twi, burying the bodies, hiding the truth, silencing truthful dissent, and so on, through decades of decay and stagnation at twi. They only jumped ship now they reached retirement age and had no recourse from twi. This isn't about a lasting group. This is about saying it's a lasting group and saying all the right things while covering a retirement and "running the clock." So long as there's sufficient freewill donations to cover them into the grave, it's all good just as it was all good to cover for the evil of twi for decades while everyone else who saw behind the circle jumped ship, whether from disgust or others with practical concerns. They just need a few hundred to cover expenses and feather their nests a bit while they retire.
Oh, and they can talk pious about how NOW they're suddenly remorseful after DECADES and how they don't REALLY want to push for money. Let the money dry up and the message will change overnight.
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Maybe, I should have added a sarc tag......
No, I'm fully aware of the deception......what they say and what they do is in two different realms.
Heck, even a couple of GSC-posters noted that Rosalie is "running out the clock."
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I guess when you get tired of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic….you could always start selling souvenirs…what the he11 does that even mean? I dunno… just thought it sounded funny.
...anyway - good commentary Skyrider and WordWolf
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Every splinter group is, supposedly, a teaching ministry......................why?
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Skyrider, T-Bone, Wordwolf...you are so 'right on the money' ( excuse the pun ) about them, it's almost like prophecy !!! forth telling and foretelling that is
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If an old branch falls from a dying tree...............does it make a sound?
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T-Bone
ya know...I'm an old city boy and don't know my trees very well...but I must say - that is one fine piece of ash.
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Thomas Loy Bumgarner
Nice set of buns, lol
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WordWolf
This is the other thread about RnR.
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I'm not defending them, or saying they are wonderful, but still to this day they have not asked for money. In fact, they recently reiterated that we should be giving to local people in need - that's local to us as individuals - and not to the R&R group.
Apparently, they all have regular jobs now.
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Tell me, what does that prove?
Edited by Rocky"Apparently" appears to mean you don't really know. What DO you know about that?
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I do know many of them work. At one point, a few of them were looking for work and/or had interviews setup and asked for others to pray for them. Those people did get work. Others I had already known were working because they weren't at HQ in Ohio, they were on the field and working already. "Apparently" is regarding the remainder.
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Just because they have not asked for money............does not mean that they are not deceiving or being deceived.
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What do you mean now? At the time of the original video before any of this discussion, they all already had jobs.
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If you're going to get a few bills under the table, or a few perks where you aren't caught not paying tax.....
...it's smart to have a job on the books. Then the IRS thinks that's your sole source of income. They won't, say, think to come around to your home and wonder why "the big television we use to display teachings" that "the ministry" owns is on the wall of YOUR living room, etc.... If you have no listed job, the IRS gets suspicious.
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Fair enough. And that's why I was only referring to the money.
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