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In this small a context a "no politics" rule doesn't serve a purpose as applied here.

Now - never having gotten into any of the "political" pissing contests here over what I'm sure were genius level arguments with world changing outcomes, I don't know exACTly what you imps have been up to but I'm sure the catharsis alone took months to heal so I don't demean your losses :biglaugh: buuuut it Isn't happening at the moment that I see. I guess thanks are in order then for you protecting me from myself? the nefarious ways of others? danger? doom? all of the above? Dunno. 

You're just serving the rule, not those who the rule is supposed to be serving. 

As far as the RCC and Christianity in general I would contend that historically you can't discuss them intelligently WITHOUT entering into the social and political arena's, if you intend to understand how we got to where we are today wherever that is and that's part of the discussion I suppose. 

I tend to copy/paste material into a file and then put together responses when I have time, and my own interest in that discussion was to look further into the internal politics of the church branching off from the Western/Eastern split, and consider how both geography and politics led to the church's teaching and development of their canon. It's one I've tinkered with off and on but don't have a fully baked position or meaningful result from but I always get something from what others bring to the topic as it's usually stuff I haven't considered. And it's a worthy topic to examine because Christianity is one religion that can be said to NOT have a strong political bias to it if it's viewed only from what Jesus taught and did and what we read in the NT - internally there are huge ramifications to the Jews, externally to Gentile/Non-Jews as we see the followers of Jesus live and fill His Church in the years that followed.....and yet we do see that external influences have huge impacts on the direction that people go. And then we see our own America today, perhaps a snapshot of how I see this went here, with this discussion. So it goes...

I've got a vigorous discussion going on around that very topic elsewhere so I'll continue that. As always, PEACE! We definitely could not disagree more on this but I'm going to do my best to not close down the universe and condemn you all to where you certainly now need to go, which is, of course, HELL. :biglaugh::anim-smile::beer: ....I've been condemned to it so many times by so many people though, they know me at the door, so not to worry, they're not letting us in. Yet. :who_me:

 

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1 hour ago, socks said:

 

I tend to copy/paste material into a file and then put together responses when I have time, and my own interest in that discussion was to look further into the internal politics of the church branching off from the Western/Eastern split, and consider how both geography and politics led to the church's teaching and development of their canon. It's one I've tinkered with off and on but don't have a fully baked position or meaningful result from but I always get something from what others bring to the topic as it's usually stuff I haven't considered. And it's a worthy topic to examine because Christianity is one religion that can be said to NOT have a strong political bias to it if it's viewed only from what Jesus taught and did and what we read in the NT - internally there are huge ramifications to the Jews, externally to Gentile/Non-Jews as we see the followers of Jesus live and fill His Church in the years that followed.....and yet we do see that external influences have huge impacts on the direction that people go. And then we see our own America today, perhaps a snapshot of how I see this went here, with this discussion. So it goes...

I've got a vigorous discussion going on around that very topic elsewhere so I'll continue that. As always, PEACE! We definitely could not disagree more on this but I'm going to do my best to not close down the universe and condemn you all to where you certainly now need to go, which is, of course, HELL. :biglaugh::anim-smile::beer: ....I've been condemned to it so many times by so many people though, they know me at the door, so not to worry, they're not letting us in. Yet. :who_me:

 

And yet, so many denominations within Christianity do NOT view life, and their adherents do not hold world views solely based on what Jesus taught and did and what we read in the NT.

Bravo to you for having vigorous and hopefully very meaningful discussion around that very topic elsewhere.

I still look forward to your sharings regarding Rob Bell's book, Love Wins on that other thread when you've had the opportunity to reread that book.

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5 hours ago, Rocky said:

And yet, so many denominations within Christianity do NOT view life, and their adherents do not hold world views solely based on what Jesus taught and did and what we read in the NT.

Bravo to you for having vigorous and hopefully very meaningful discussion around that very topic elsewhere.

I still look forward to your sharings regarding Rob Bell's book, Love Wins on that other thread when you've had the opportunity to reread that book.

And thassa my pointah - HOW can a group discussion take place amongst members of all those denominations whose faith is deeply embedded in other matters, like politics, history and cultural issues if they're restricted from including them......ANY intelligent in-depth discussion of most religious denominations will involve them. 

So - GS pretty much is lowering the bar by not going that route. 

If the issue is the behavior of the participants and the ability to produce civil discussions then THAT'S the problem that needs to be dealt with. 

In an average world of emotionally charged people and issues where everyone feels their opinions as well as the outcomes themselves are critical what keeps the peace of humanity intact is the commonly shared view that 

to win everyone invested in the process has to get something from the outcomes
and not lose anything critical doing that

(....side note - When Rob Bell preaches "Love Wins" what he's really doing (IMO) is defining what it means TO LOSE, what there is to lose, who loses what when and if loss occurs. ....... )

Anyway - I think everyone knows how this stuff works and what I'm talkin' 'bout. Choices have been made, lines drawn. So be it. Have fun! 

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5 hours ago, socks said:

And thassa my pointah - HOW can a group discussion take place amongst members of all those denominations whose faith is deeply embedded in other matters, like politics, history and cultural issues if they're restricted from including them......ANY intelligent in-depth discussion of most religious denominations will involve them. 

So - GS pretty much is lowering the bar by not going that route. 

If the issue is the behavior of the participants and the ability to produce civil discussions then THAT'S the problem that needs to be dealt with. 

In an average world of emotionally charged people and issues where everyone feels their opinions as well as the outcomes themselves are critical what keeps the peace of humanity intact is the commonly shared view that 

to win everyone invested in the process has to get something from the outcomes
and not lose anything critical doing that

(....side note - When Rob Bell preaches "Love Wins" what he's really doing (IMO) is defining what it means TO LOSE, what there is to lose, who loses what when and if loss occurs. ....... )

Anyway - I think everyone knows how this stuff works and what I'm talkin' 'bout. Choices have been made, lines drawn. So be it. Have fun! 

Oh myy, socks. I understand your point. I wish you had experienced or at least observed some of what caused the decision to have been made.

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This is not up for discussion.

 

The original thread that was locked and hidden was initially allowed to continue as long as it did not venture into politics. We made it clear that the thread would be locked and hidden if it began to get political. The avoiding of politics did not last ONE POST. 

It is possible to discuss your walk as a member of your faith without promoting a conspiratorial view about what other people want by "infiltrating" your religion.

And it is possible to explore whether your faith is consistent with a group of people who claim to embrace it even though they engage in conduct or beliefs or whatever that seem to be in conflict with that faith.

What we're not going to do here is host a discussion about the gay agenda's desire to infiltrate the Catholic church as part of a socialist plot.

This is the end of the discussion. Up until this point we have been taking action on posts and threads only. We urge you not to compel us to extend that to posters. It's not necessary, and the parsing of "is this politics or not" is not worth it.

Move on.

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