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So what was the Christian Family and Sex class about?

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I always wondered. I never took it. I remember this offshoot I was going to was running a class like that a few years ago.

Did they give you tips? Teach you anything new? I mean what went on in that class about sex?

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I took The Believers Family Class. The 'replacement' for CSF, I guess. Much ado about the Martindale marriage icon_eek.gifand alot about giraffes.

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giraffes??? Good lord don't tell me they ran National Geographic footage. Of course, there is nothing quite like seeing elephants mate.

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I took Biblical keys to a Believing family (while in) in 95' and again and again, It's all centered around a family in outreach infrastructure. It really got away from a really loving family and marriage relationships. Wouldn't you know it...

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CF&S was an unusual class--they didn't give a syllabus when I took it. The first part was the "Family" part, man head of household, children unruly, etc. Those verses and the like.

Second part was the sex part. VP runs through all these slang terms for genitalia because "you can't minister to someone if you don't understand what they're talking about" icon_rolleyes.gif:rolleyes:--> (Hello? Word of Knowledge, anyone? Oh well...) He shows diagrams of all sorts of different breast and penis shapes (which drew laughter from the women in my class, "Look, honey! There's yours!" (My TC's wife)) Mrs. Wierwille is there and she looks embarrassed and miserable, wanting to be anywhere in the world but on that set. He has Dr. Winegarner talk about some physiology, tells women how to spit-lubricate their partner if necessary, makes an offhand reference about masturbation preferable to being unblessed with sex, etc., etc.

Ick. I feel like I need a shower just remembering all that stuff. My TC told me VP used to use married Corps people for live demonstrations of the positions, but had to stop because it was freaking the students out. Don't know if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

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Rottie

The CF&S class filmed in 1974 was a video version of the early live camps.The sessions are:

1. The way of a man with a maid,man wonderfully made ,attitudes toward sex

2. The threefold cord, The Virtuous Woman

3. I Corinthians 7:1..ff The original sin

4. Anticipation,Realization, Memory, New Morality, general anatomy and language barrier(Dr. covers slang terms for male & female parts and sex ect.)

5. Male & Female anatomy

6. Childbirth,lovemaking, birth control,masterbation

7. Art of dating responsibilities of Men & Woman , Question and answer session.

Lots of good pictures of Tick the wonder dog. And a segment where Tick turned I mean did some tricks for us. Like fetch Howards hat

My favorite CF&S song - Rise Up O Men Of God

yes Zix I believe that was correct.

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I can verify what Zixar said. I didn't get a syllabus either, but I did take notes, which I don't know if I still have or not. I just thought it was weird for VPW to be going through all the slang terms like that; I had always thought of him as grandfatherly but I think sitting through CF&S changed my mind towards him being like a dirty old man.

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Originally posted by Zixar: Ick. I feel like I need a shower just remembering all that stuff. My TC told me VP used to use married Corps people for live demonstrations of the positions, but had to stop because it was freaking the students out. Don't know if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

Omigosh. Sounds like something out of Monty Python's "Meaning of Life" - the skit where the professor's wife comes into the classroom for a "demonstration".

So those pics of the naked folks shown throughout CF&S - were those Corp people?

I've always wondered about that.

Danny

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I remember a "men's night" type outing where an ordained TWI minster whose last name rhymes with Boynihan made a few somewhat off statements about how sometimes you have to allow your wife to get pleased every once in a while and stuff like that. He was discussing the relationship between a husband and wife, but that and other things he said still seemed a bit rude towards women. While I can understand some mysogeny being inherent in Christian groups, I certainly wouldn't want someone talking about my mom or sisters like that.

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Those of you that took CF & S must remember it was basically about, "Hooters! Headlights! Fun bags! Melons!" VeePeePee prided himself on his ability to recall slang terms for our 'private parts'.

Walker

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They did not give out syllabus except for a scripture sheet and a handout on The Virtuous Woman. The Corps classes did have a syllabus about 40 pages and as Im looking the ever present Final exam. also a instructers guide.

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CF&S was a sneaky little class where VPW slyly taught his personal preferences and perversions for sex as if they were the defacto standard.

VPW taught that a man's penis was beautiful and magnificant while a woman's vagina was ugly. I'll bet old Vee Pee never knew how to sexuall satisfy a woman, or never really cared to know. He was into getting his own satisifaction - taking care of the Man of God.

He taught in this class that" the way to a man's heart was through his penis", opening the door for premarital and promiscous sex and to women trying to get a man's heart by taking care of that magnificant and beautiful penis. Well, we know what got to old Vee Pee's heart now don't we?

Don't recall if he taught how to get to a woman's heart - but it certainly was not through her vagina because that thing is ugly. Best not look at it.

It was also a class that subtly made men superior to women in most every way.

This class was about VPW's disdain for women, relegating them to sexual and domestic servants of men.

I never took this class seriously.

Goey

"Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

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Seriously, though....

A) It was the only class where 7 sessions made for a 2-page syllabus.

That should be a sign that it's a little sparse on substance.

B) It's the only class I ever took where I was embarrassed of the name.

"I have to head out-I have a Bible study class tonight."

"Really? What on?"

"Um, Christian Family."

C) The "original sin", Proverbs 31:10ff was covered, as was

I Corinthians 7:1ff was also covered.

How he could read I Corinthians 7:2, commit adultery many times, and look

himself in the mirror is beyond me.

D) Everyone remembers the session with all the slang terms. It seemed to

relax us a little, since you can't be embarassed while laughing, but

other than that, wasn't necessary.

E) It was largely a Sex Ed or "Hygiene" class. Complete with photos

and illustrations.

F) I honestly don't remember vpw's comments mentioned above.

I do remember (and even back then, others had commented) how beautiful he

thought a woman's funbags are. (Funbags, you know, Thelma and Louise.)

G) I remember him saying a few things here and there about various

sex topics. The most off-the-wall ones will stay with me till I die.

Like, how a man wants a woman who's a bit of an angel and a devil-

an angel in public, and a devil in the bedroom.

Or, concerning one position I have no intention of trying,

"ever couple probably tries it at some point".

To which, I say, "Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew." If someone out there has tried it,

DON'T TELL ME. I do NOT want to know.

And of course, in my class, he described-but did NOT show-

that pornographic video with 2 women and a dog. He said the dog was trying

to get away from the women, which showed it had more sense than they did.

THANKS FOR SHARING. WHY did I need to know ANYTHING about that video?

Was that instructive in some way?

H) One of the main points, one that was repeated in several sessions,

was the destigmatizing of sex as "dirty".

Oddly enough, the proper place of a sex life in a MARRIAGE and not as

OUTSIDE a marriage seemed not to be repeated in several sessions.

Strange sorting of priorities for a Christian class.

I) Of course, the one thing that I still find TRULY bizarre was that wierd

"casualwear" outfit he wore teaching that class.

I can understand getting out of the suit, but was that thing actually worn

in PUBLIC? That thing was uglier than a leisure suit!

J) The hero of that class was Tick.

Anything else you want to know?

Kudos to whoever managed a session breakdown-my goal was to just get thru it.

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OMG. I am sitting here with my morning coffee and cigarette with my mouth HANGING OPEN reading this stuff! This is FACINATING!

Damn! I WISH I would have taken this class! LOL! Thanks for sharing this stuff, I would LOVE to hear more.

Come on, he actually talked about a porno video with 2 women and dog? WHAAAAAT??? What the hell was that in there for?

Penis's are beautiful vagina's ugly? LOLOLOL

Funbags?

Okay I gotta know, What position was he talking about?

Anybody remember the corps demonstrating the live positions?

This stuff is priceless. LOL.

Thanks you guys/gals for sharing this.

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This class was the beginning of the end for me in twi. It was just so ridiculous.

The long list of slang terms was very educational. I learned a lot I had never heard before. "Taking the dirt road" is the one that has always stuck in my mind, no matter how hard I've tried to get it out of there.

Of course everybody remembers the pictures right out of "101 Sexual Positions." Basically, they were just cheap black & white 50s-60s era pornography. I can remember VP pointing out one that was supposed to the best for getting the deepest penetration. Thanks, Doctor.

I don't know if they did this in every class, but at the end we were supposed to answer a list of questions like "How old were you the first time you had sex?" "Have you ever had a homosexual/lesbian experience?" "Have you ever participated in oral sex, anal sex, group sex, etc. etc. etc." This was supposed to be anonymous and for "research purposes" but it was pretty bizarre and I really wonder what they really did with those.

The weirdest thing for me though was the whole "original sin was masturbation" teaching. When we broke up into our little discussion groups after that one, I remember asking the other people if they really believed that and they all did. Our group leader said something like "We might not understand it all but Dr. Weirwille does and that's good enough for me." What a crock. I was on the way out the door after that.

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Originally posted by Zixar:

...makes an offhand reference about masturbation...

aren't all masturbation references offhand?

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Pirate, those questions were to be used as part of any corps or 'Rut Locale' staff application. Our fodder in the Wierd was living the Word by redeeming the time - it's SO much faster to secure the underlings you want to when you know what they might be open to.

Therefore the Dr. was smart then already ...

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Rise up oh men of God was your favorite CFS song. LOL! (Sorry, I'm going back and re-reading these responses, a lot to digest)

VPW Actually taught the original sin was MASTURBATION? Seems to me I heard that, but it seemed to bizarre to believe.

Of course, I never rose above the rank of a leaf in the Way, so I'm sure that knowledge was privy only to the more spiritually mature.

geezus I wonder if these wayfer offshooters still believe that. Why is it so damn hard to believe just what the bible says?

Anyway, going back to reread some more.

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Okay, what does "taking the dirt road" mean?

And WHAT POSITION are you guys talking about?

Dying to know

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Well thanks for being honest fortunate! icon_wink.gif;)-->

BTW Goey excellent post about the subtle teachings of TWI.

I noticed that a few years ago with this offshoot I was attending. When they did a teaching "for women" it was patronizing as hell, at best. But it was also very subtle how they did it.

Anyway, back to the sex!

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