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TRAVIS WALTON

On Wednesday, November 5, 1975, seven men in Michael H. Rogers' brush-clearing crew were going home after a day's work in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest near Snowflake, Arizona.

Suddenly they saw a light in the forest that seemed to come from an object hovering close to the ground. They stopped to investigate, and one of the men, 22-year-old Travis Walton, got out of the truck and went on foot to get a closer look.

A bolt of intense blue-green light struck him, and his companions panicked and drove away. After a few minutes, they went back to look for Walton, only to find that he had vanished.

They drove into town and reported the disappearance to the authorities, and a search of the area was undertaken. No trace of Walton was found.

When he awakens, Travis finds himself in a very strange seamless metallic room. He is in great pain, and notices that he is not alone. He tries to fend them off as they apparently attempt to calm him. They finally leave, quietly.

The image of the eyes of the beings became burned into Travis's memory.

An odd silent man with transparent helmet appears in the doorway of the fantastic "planetarium" Travis had discovered as he explored the craft. The man silently escorts Travis down the hall..

After a few minutes, they leave the craft and enter what appears to be a huge mothership (although there was never a chance to see outside). Several other craft were parked inside the room. The shape of the room hints that this might be a cylindrically shaped craft (as is commonly reported by others).

Travis is immediately led down a hall to a room where this couple are found. They never speak, as with the first man. Their skin is strangely wrinkle and blemish free, and their eyes are odd in some way. They don't seem to be human as we know them. The mask held by the woman is used to put Travis into a state of unconsciousness.

The authorities were suspicious that the crew had killed Walton themselves, but Walton reappeared five days later near Heber, Arizona, telling a tale of being abducted by aliens.

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I tried to ad this and my edit button was not there...Mmmmmm Aliens

This was interesting as well...

The Brooklyn Bridge Abduction

The subject of Budd Hopkin's third book Witnessed

I believe these and similar cases that have multiply witnesses - are part of awakening humanity to events beyond the third dimension.

The Brooklyn Bridge Abduction took place in lower Manhattan - just adjacent to the Brooklyn Bridge and East River. The time of the sightings was approximately 3:15 in the morning in November 1989. Hopkins says that the sighting lasted between one and two minutes. During that time cars went dead of the FDR drive - along side the East River. He says that a total of 4 people were abducted that night. Witnesses saw a UFO over her building. It had a red glow. Beams of white light came down from the UFO. Beings were seen moving through her window to the ship.

Linda Cortile [aka Linda Napolitano, her "assumed name for reasons of anonymity" - presumably the time for anonymity has passed - BK], is the "abductee" in this case. Our fourteenth slide is of her apartment building. Linda Cortile came to Hopkins in 1989 after reading his book Intruders in which there was a chapter about a surgical scar. Linda was upset by this because her doctor discovered she had a surgical scar in her nostril yet she had never had a medical operation.

She wrote to Hopkins. She had actually saved the receipt from that doctor's appointment. Why? Hopkins wondered. The fifteenth slide was of the view through her window. During their early meetings Linda had been talking to Hopkins about "early memories" but on the 30th of November 1989 she rang Hopkins after an "incident."

As she was going to sleep she had felt a 'presence' and paralysis creeping over her and she saw a small black-eyed figure. She threw something at him and her arms were paralyzed as a result. Her next memory was of being on an "examination table." Question - what had been "blocked" by/from her memory? She had floated through a closed window and was lifted into a "craft." At the end of the "abduction" she was dropped onto her bed. She got up then and found she could not rouse her children. She thought that they weren't breathing. Her husband and children seemed to be switched off.

Later witness would come forward. Many people reported seeing the same ship including a car with two federal agents and a UN official.

Fifteen months later policemen revealed that they had seen the abduction take place. They had seen a women or small child floating in the fetal position through the window. There were small figures there - one above her and two below (Linda had never seen them). The policemen were Richard and Dan and they exchanged letters with Hopkins and he also received a letter from another witness.

Apparently the lights on the roadway went out and the witness' car stopped on Brooklyn Bridge. The drawing was of a saucer that she saw. Another witness lost one hour on their car clock. Slide number seventeen is an additional drawing of balls coming out the window of the saucer. Number eighteen shows the balls unrolled to reveal three aliens and a woman in the same formation as described by Richard and Dan. Number nineteen is a drawing of another police officer. The saucer is similar apart from a dome on the top of it. Number twenty shows the Richard/Dan drawing showing the same position of Linda and the aliens. Number twenty-one shows that the 'other' police officer's drawing matches -the 'other' cop came forward after Witnessedcame out.

Linda's niece who is a surgeon took an X-Ray of Linda's nostrils. An object was found. It appears to be a shank and two spirals. It is in her right nostril. The night, after the X-Ray had been done, blood came streaming out of Linda's nostril and when she was X-Rayed again the object was no longer there. It had been taken by the aliens during the night!

There was a separate incident of Linda's right nostril bleeding. And this time not only did she bleed, but both her sons and their father and her son's friend, all from the right nostril at the same time on the same night.

There was a procession of cars stopped on the Bridge. Important political figures were there. Pope John Paul II was meeting Mikhail Gorbachev that night and Gorbachev was meeting George Bush the next day. There was a full strike in Czechoslovakia. An important moment in world history. So, on the Bridge were these five cars of political figures. The engines stopped and they all saw Linda's abduction.

Was this staged? Hopkins asks. All previous abductions were covert. As for these political figures, Hopkins says that "one of them was abducted that night" [He means Secretary General of the UN, Peres de Cuellar, I don't know why he didn't say his name during the lecture - maybe he wants us to buy his book in order for us to find out - BK]. Could the explanation for this be that it is a hoax? Hopkins asks.

Like the Travis Walton case where there were roughly ten people involved, in this case there were a great number of people. There were about twenty in this case so there are only two options. Either it happened or it was a hoax made with collaboration.

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Thankyou for taking the time to post all of that info.

THAT is so wierd....I don`t know what to think....all I can say is....at LEAST they seem benevolent.........I mean they let the folks go again.

Kind of reminds me of how our scientist sedate n tag wildlife n then let em go so they can track em.

Whether it is all hoaxes? I don`t know.........wonder if they still have the x rays showing the objects.

I cannot believe that all of those world leaders were there at that time...seems a little far fetched.

I have often wondered if the uniformly reported big eyes, and seamless skin...could be some kind of space suit n helmet.......you know? Think what one of our astronauts would look like to some locals...A giant single eye in the middle of the head....a huge deformity on their backs..... hee hee

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Dot,

You seem to have quite a number of interests in things of a paranormal nature.

For an alternate explanation for just about any paranormal event you've ever heard of maybe you should take a look at:

http://skepdic.com/contents.html#A

Just click on the first letter of whatever event you'd like to read about ("A" for alien abduction, "K" for Kirlian photography, etc.) and then scroll through the list to see if your topic is mentioned.

It's not quite as entertaining as some sites dedictated to paranormal goings-on, but I think a little more grounded in reality.

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G.Aar:

Those are possibilities and probably a little more involved then I used to think. I used to think it was a devil spirits and liars.

But let us get rid of disbelief for a moment.

Suppose it is true? Just suppose these are not liars or devils but real people that have real stories that are so wild the rest of us don't even consider them as true -- but suppose they are?

I mean we SIT and all kinds of churches and Doctors said we didn't.

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Dot,

Re your comment: "But let us get rid of disbelief for a moment."

Whoooooooooa! That's the critical difference, I think, betweeen a skeptic and, well someone who's maybe just a little too credulous.

We shouldn't be out looking for new stuff to immediately believe in. One surely can consider a multitude of things, but keep some sort of filter in place so you don't spend your life chasing rainbows (or auras, or gurus, or psychics, or whatever).

If an idea passes the basic filter (or "sniff" test as some characterize it) i.e. does it conform with the known laws of physics, not totally beyond the realm of possibility, and is there solid, reproducible evidence of it's veracity THEN you could spend some time looking over the evidence.

If the evidence is credible THEN maybe start getting exorcised about the greatness of the idea.

What happens all too often (and accounts for a great many of us spending waaaay too much of our lives in Wayworld) is that we jump to the "believing" part of the exercise way before we have any proof whatsoever.

I don't choose to make that mistake EVER again.

And it is a mistake, of that I AM certain.

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And, oh yeah, I'm not thoroughly convinced that SITing is anything more than a parlor trick (even though I did it for fifteen years). Wasn't I supposed to get all "spiritual" if I did that a lot? THAT never happened.

Another exercise in mental masterbation if you ask me, but then, what do I know?

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George:

I truly am not as serious about all these as perhaps you think I am.

I did see Signs and it did pose the possibility of ET and UFO's. I had not even considered them beyond devil, devil and devil.

So, I asked what people thought. I am not really out looking for new beliefs.

I still do not know how I feel about all this but at least I have the freedom to think about it now.

Therefore, I am thinking about it. Sold to it? No. In hot pursuit of new cults, not at all.

In script writing there is a little thing we do when we wrote fiction it is called "suspension of disbelief" In order to get people into the story you have to get them to suspend their disbelief.

Such as the movie ET, Somewhere in Time, Kate and Leopold, Bill and Ted's Great Adventure and many more. You would not be able to enjoy this type of movie if you did not suspend your disbelief while watching it. Some people can't do that so these types of movies are not for them. But this thread is kinda of that ilk.... What if.....

So, I am not suggesting you open yourself up to insanity. We are kinda playing here. I am suggesting you loosen up a bit, suspend your disbelief for a minute, and look at these things differently. But if you are afraid you may immediately slide down a slippery path to cultism then this thread is probably one you should avoid.

If you are just doing your sniff test, go ahead it is really a stupid notion that there are aliens. (but, could be...) If you are concerned that I am going to start reading tarot cards and plotting my future, FEAR NOT!!! My good man, I have no interest and do believe that is devilish! (but thanks for the concern)

We are just having fun getting outside the TWI box. It feels good to stretch our legs and look around. And yes, to even consider other life forms feels good. (Please do not quote feelings are no guarantee for truth or I will think you are VPW reincarnated and have to do a reincarnation thread -- Just kidding)

Doesn't it feel good to get out of the box? We are just having fun, want to play? If not, the more serious posters are in the other room. They are intelligent and discussing the scientific reasons this can or can not exist. I am sure they will report their findings shortly and we have explained to them not to get upset if we disagree and we will still love them when they post their findings. As your ideas have a great balance.

But what if, George?

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