As far as counseling, I never saw any evidence of training in counseling. Some people were more versed in Scripture, more in tune with the teachings of Jesus, and more humble than others. If indeed one came into TWI with counseling training, it was quickly obviated by a need to convince that person that s/he didn't know squat compared to the teachings of TWI.
When we lived in the south, we knew a lovely, smart woman who was working on her master's in psychology, got a Ph.D. in child psychology and was a brilliant, loving concerned person. She went into the WC, married a WC grad, and the last I knew she was working on The Way Magazine. What a stinking waste of talent and education! I haven't heard from her or about her for decades but I hope and pray she's out of that mess and helping adolescent kids somewhere.
Counseling: Your ADHD son doesn't need medications. He needs frequent, prolonged, painful beatings until he learns to submit or die. Even had one (spouse corps) WC grad advise me we should end his life if he didn't straighten up.
JohnIam, thank God you are with people who love and understand.
WG, I know a man who has a degree in Special Education. He told me that it helped him deal with Veterans.
Excie, that's because you're a nice woman. If someone had said that to me, I would have told them to F-off, and left!! How nice that God didn't treat them like that when they were kids!!!! TWI had a lot of ungodly people in it, who didn't know Jack about raising kids.
We'll never have enough to be CONCLUSIVE, but we know a lot about what happened.
lcm HIMSELF gave the account, when he was applauding vpw and lauding him to the
skies in "vp and me."
We had the account in the thread "vp and me in wonderland."
""Dr and LCM always fought for people to stay in the Corps.
There was an incident of a guy in the Corps who all of a sudden went
"gooney-bird". He started to babble and not make sense. LCM worked hard
with the guy to help him but he was incoherent. Dr, when he met him,
confronted him by asking- 'Son, how come you're letting your mind get
all scrambled?' The guy answered unintelligibly and Dr told him that it would
be best for him just to pack his bags and go home. The guy understood
that. He left.
LCM spent many hours and many long distance phone calls trying to make
sure the guy had gotten home from his bus ride home safely. Not being
able to verify his location, he was concerned. Dr told him to move on.
There's nothing you can do, he'll show up at home soon enough. A week
later the guy did show up at home."
Mind you,
lcm had a BA in Psychology, and SHOULD have been able to give
some USEFUL description here, but he did not.
lcm ATTEMPTED to do SOMETHING with the guy.
vpw-whose only background in Psychology was POSSIBLY Jay Adams' book
"Competent to Counsel" (recommended to the corps and advocating
CONFRONTING people)- CONFONTED a man with an obvious physical problem.
He needed a medical evaluation. He could have had a stroke, a critical
vitamin deficiency, or any of a number of other things.
vpw's answer? "Pack your bags and go home."
lcm-like any normal person- worried that he'd get home safely.
After all, it was a frighteningly CALLOUS and USELESS thing to take
him, get NO medical help, NO medical EVALUATION, then dump him on a
series of buses to get home EVENTUALLY.
But we have no way of knowing anything but that he got home, days later.
We don't know the authorities WEREN'T called.
We don't know another passenger didn't take pity on him and talk him through
stops for food and rest for a day or something.
We know he was able to pack, more or less. We don't know what the problem was or
if he was going to drop dead on the bus. (There was no medical evaluation.
Even a school has a nurse on hand to do an evaluation and determine if a hospital
is needed. A paramedic would have been something. But there was no preparation
at the "facility" of any kind.)
We know he was incoherent. We do not know why or if it was a symptom of something
more dangerous. vpw just kicked him off-grounds and said to forget about him.
This was a pretty standard policy with twi. One ex-WOW said they had a horrible
incident on the field, and was traumatized. They were put on a bus and told to
go home. They took several days to get home as well because they were traumatized
and didn't have the clarity of mind to get home safely. They got lost at an early
stop and had a SECOND traumatic experience in trying to get home while being
mentally incapable.
So,
MAYBE the guy was suddenly and mysteriously all better and made a tour of his
rip home.
MAYBE the guy collapsed on a bus and local help was gotten for him.
Either outcome is possible because he was put on a bus right after an acute
psychiatric incident with no medical evaluation.
Any place would be legally liable for placing someone in danger like that.
They had a fiduciary responsibility toward the students in their program.
But vpw saw all the responsibility go ONE WAY-FROM the students.
He never saw all the things HE OWED them-which is why he never offered them.
I believe devils can cause problems, but that doesn't mean medical attention is
dismissed. Some people believe devils can exploit existing medical conditions and
in that case, getting proper medical care would thwart them.
But in twi, it was simple-and LAZY and UNEDUCATED- to blame the supernatural for
every intangible problem. This added the convenience of giving them the excuse
of not offering tangible solutions.
WW, I am not a Medical Professional, but I would have called 911. And then, I would have prayed for him!! Hello, the man obviously had some sort of problem; deal with the problem first, and then pray about it!! That's what I would have done.
Grace M. C., I wish to this day I had smacked that guy in the mouth for saying that we should "take him up into the North Cascades so far no one can hear his screams, and take turns hitting him with a 2x4 until he realizes that if he ever disobeys again, he will be taken back to that place and he will die there!" This piece of offal also told us that he would drag his 3-year-old daughter, the youngest of their four children, down the driveway and kick her into the street before he would ever allow her or one of his children to come between him and his loyalty to "The Ministry."
I wonder if his three sons and his daughter are involved with TWI? I doubt it.
Oh, hey! Since you're retired military, I heard a man say this on TV last night, and I thought it was cool. This person works closely with veterans and he uses the term "PTS" instead of "PTSD." He said it's because the word "disorder" is a label that would make potential employers look at the hiree differently. I thought it was cool, and would also work with others who have, for example, ADH (D).
Grace M. C., I wish to this day I had smacked that guy in the mouth for saying that we should "take him up into the North Cascades so far no one can hear his screams, and take turns hitting him with a 2x4 until he realizes that if he ever disobeys again, he will be taken back to that place and he will die there!" This piece of offal also told us that he would drag his 3-year-old daughter, the youngest of their four children, down the driveway and kick her into the street before he would ever allow her or one of his children to come between him and his loyalty to "The Ministry."
I wonder if his three sons and his daughter are involved with TWI? I doubt it.
Oh, hey! Since you're retired military, I heard a man say this on TV last night, and I thought it was cool. This person works closely with veterans and he uses the term "PTS" instead of "PTSD." He said it's because the word "disorder" is a label that would make potential employers look at the hiree differently. I thought it was cool, and would also work with others who have, for example, ADH (D).
Anyway, thanks for all your posts!
WG, I think the TWI guy was nuts!! How would he like it if someone beat the S--t out of him for not obeying! Also, I met other people who put the ministry above all else; even God! When TWI implored, they had a hard time dealing with it! Nuts!
I was lead astray by these people and it undermined my authority as a Christian leader in my household. I was young, 26 or so. I knew my Bible but not Greek or Hebrew. That’s how they get you really. John Hendricks would quote Greek and spin his attack against Trinity doctrine. Notables Jesus Christ not knowing future events, power not his own and Christ not being omnipresent. 1 John 4: 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. But he says not to look to the Greek in the foundational class contradicting himself. It always stuck in my mind that Jesus was sent. He says before ie prier to Abraham I AM. Jewish leaders wouldn’t take up stones to kill you if you was just saying you was in prier knowledge of God. Later I found out about flesh in fore mentioned text is feminine gendered. Jesus is not female, the Bride is. It’s Jesus Christ’s Spirit in us. That’s what that scripture is saying. Hope this help. A woman(Rochelle Hendricks) is not to be a leader of men. That’s whose running the show after her dad died of a heart attack. So much for faith healing. Might I suggest Anthony Rogers on YouTube, he has been showing the trinity and Jesus Christ as the angel of the Lord in Old Testament. Jesus Christ was a man in flesh tempted as we are. Father God kept certain things from him while he was a man so he could suffer as we do. He went to the Cross fully knowing who He was both God and Man as the Old Testament states. For all of creation to be redeemed it takes a God sized gift. Christ paid for all. Unfortunately not all receive His free gift because they have to obey truth.
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WG, I know a man who has a degree in Special Education. He told me that it helped him deal with Veterans.
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Excie, that's because you're a nice woman. If someone had said that to me, I would have told them to F-off, and left!! How nice that God didn't treat them like that when they were kids!!!! TWI had a lot of ungodly people in it, who didn't know Jack about raising kids.
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WW, I am not a Medical Professional, but I would have called 911. And then, I would have prayed for him!! Hello, the man obviously had some sort of problem; deal with the problem first, and then pray about it!! That's what I would have done.
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Grace M. C., I wish to this day I had smacked that guy in the mouth for saying that we should "take him up into the North Cascades so far no one can hear his screams, and take turns hitting him with a 2x4 until he realizes that if he ever disobeys again, he will be taken back to that place and he will die there!" This piece of offal also told us that he would drag his 3-year-old daughter, the youngest of their four children, down the driveway and kick her into the street before he would ever allow her or one of his children to come between him and his loyalty to "The Ministry."
I wonder if his three sons and his daughter are involved with TWI? I doubt it.
Oh, hey! Since you're retired military, I heard a man say this on TV last night, and I thought it was cool. This person works closely with veterans and he uses the term "PTS" instead of "PTSD." He said it's because the word "disorder" is a label that would make potential employers look at the hiree differently. I thought it was cool, and would also work with others who have, for example, ADH (D).
Anyway, thanks for all your posts!
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WG, I think the TWI guy was nuts!! How would he like it if someone beat the S--t out of him for not obeying! Also, I met other people who put the ministry above all else; even God! When TWI implored, they had a hard time dealing with it! Nuts!
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I was lead astray by these people and it undermined my authority as a Christian leader in my household. I was young, 26 or so. I knew my Bible but not Greek or Hebrew. That’s how they get you really. John Hendricks would quote Greek and spin his attack against Trinity doctrine. Notables Jesus Christ not knowing future events, power not his own and Christ not being omnipresent. 1 John 4: 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. But he says not to look to the Greek in the foundational class contradicting himself. It always stuck in my mind that Jesus was sent. He says before ie prier to Abraham I AM. Jewish leaders wouldn’t take up stones to kill you if you was just saying you was in prier knowledge of God. Later I found out about flesh in fore mentioned text is feminine gendered. Jesus is not female, the Bride is. It’s Jesus Christ’s Spirit in us. That’s what that scripture is saying. Hope this help. A woman(Rochelle Hendricks) is not to be a leader of men. That’s whose running the show after her dad died of a heart attack. So much for faith healing. Might I suggest Anthony Rogers on YouTube, he has been showing the trinity and Jesus Christ as the angel of the Lord in Old Testament. Jesus Christ was a man in flesh tempted as we are. Father God kept certain things from him while he was a man so he could suffer as we do. He went to the Cross fully knowing who He was both God and Man as the Old Testament states. For all of creation to be redeemed it takes a God sized gift. Christ paid for all. Unfortunately not all receive His free gift because they have to obey truth.
God Bless you and hope this helps.
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