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for getting me out of the f___king Way International , the lying stinking a___holes ... who can even believe that the word of God is the will of God any longer after all the crap... takes a lot of discernment ... of course the leadership help themselves and their rotten kind out after everything broke up ... what did they do for the rest of us peons ... very little, but so many continue to milk many as they were so admirably tought ... you'll answer for this a___holes!!!

Puzzo, try Woodstock,IL ... under John Puzzo, the fathers name, then try Patrick Puzzo the brother ... that should turn them up for you...good luck!!!

and now Hunter has left us without a true guru, the bastard...he was an inspiration...but then it is hard to live through another Bush Administration, you wait...wish he hadn't done it...everyone must have his limits, I'm sure...

is he in hell or was he in hell while here???

for Dave Bedard, you may try and look in New York State or NYC...in People Search ...

I am amazed at what and how people receive,what they received, how they received PFAL...one guy sat through PFAL and said, "Hey,I'd like to start cult like that!"... He had a German background and was in my brother's twig...he never fulfilled his mission, but it's funny what different people get out of it....some wanna know God, some wanna figure out the bible, some wamma make a lot of $$$ ... interesting!!!

Duh! what is Speaking in Tongues good for ??? Will go to heaven and all hell can't stop you??? from going??? .... Ministers are sent to earth to make it hell while here so you know you won't go later cause you been through it here ... expert of the holy spirit field??? Wierwille ... ??? no F___king way....

It's no hard to figure out that passing the plate makes a hell of a lot more $$$$ tax free then working for A.B. Dick as a CEO and a lot more sexual favors too!!! too ...Well, someone had to get those "crazy" hippies in San Francisco in line to be scoffed up by the Religious Right ... Ha Ha

like the rest of us.... a liar and a money grubber ... been wanting to say this for a long time... leave him be, he is in a better place .. in hell....you been had way people and PFAL grads ... evil doctrine has to go wit good doctrine or it would be believed ... don't be gulible ...

yes, it sucks!!! well, someone had to lead those poor aimless "hippies" kids into to Christian fundamentalism...no one else could figure out how so a old guy in a weird shirt and tie went to haight-asbury and got 'em...how better to get 'em then claim to find the true interpretation of a "weird" book like the "bible" which has had many books removed and endless editing jobs done on it...my cousin and I quote said,"beware of the one-book religion"...I agree... what did Wierwille really teach you, but leave you really more aimless then you were before, unless you really think you know now??? do you??? really, tell me what???thanks!!!

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Originally posted by shazdancer:

Dear John,

Welcome to Greasespot!

sky4it has a point, although I wouldn't have stated it quite so harshly. What did we learn from PFAL that hadn't been taught for centuries?

+ The Word of God is the Will of God -- hmm, basic fundamentalist doctrine.+ The Law of Believing -- ruined many lives, and almost wrecked mine+ How the Bible Interprets Itself -- a basic course in how to read ANY book+ Four Crucified -- Bullinger+ For This Purpose Was I Spared -- your group throws that one out+ How to be Born Again -- see any born-again church+ Renew the Mind -- ditto+ Speaking in Tongues -- Oral Roberts had that one packaged as neatly as Wierwille.+ T.I.P. -- Your group completely revamps much of what was taught in the Intermediate Class.+ JC Not God -- oopsie, you guys don't teach that, either -- correction (thanks, Raf), you DO teach JC is Not God, making this probably the most important doctrine you brought with you from TWI

(Now, as far as being a one-stop, package deal, I would also like to mention that B.G.Leonard had his class first and taught it to Wierwille, who re-labelled that package PFAL.)

So if we throw out the parts of PFAL that you do not adhere to, there is not much left that can't be found in any evangelical church with a charismatic renewal element, the type of church that was coming of age at the same time TWI gained its biggest following. And the ministries of Oral Roberts and B.G.Leonard, et al, certainly surfaced before Wierwille, as well as Bullinger, who published in the late 1800's.

There are a couple of other things in your post here that bug me a bit, but perhaps I am just nit-picking. You can respond here, or email me at shazdancer@danceart.net (this email is on my profile). We know each other from your NY days in TWI, and I doubt it would take much prodding to jog your memory.

Regards,

Shaz

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This is Great!!! I couldn't say it better myself!!! cept that those who've been with the Way and Wierwille need a lot of cleansing to get rid of the BS ... Wierwille was a liar, PFAL Donation was a scam like most of christianity ... Salvation from what? witness to what? convince people of what? Jesus Christ was not God? what a bunch of hogwash!! one gets pretty tired and angry witnessing a scam that's been century old making money for multitudes... Christianitys not but a SCAM... there was NO Jesus like they say...and NO shred of evidence to that effect outside of the Bible which was a SCAM too!!! that's been edited and edited and edited to line someones pockets and imprision people to it's doctrines...hear that John, ya bastard!!!

John Lynn, aren't you the spoiled rotten kid of rich parents from Indianapolis? Probably bought your way into the Way and plowed over anyone in the way playing basketball...The Way and V.P. Wierwille, just another road to Religious fundamentalism, did it do any good, very little...I'll bet, like any other Christian group, condemn condemn and condemn any behavior not seemingly spoken well of in the bible...two faced liars, there is no deliverance for homosexuallity, or any other sexually seemingly deviant thing...and no tolerance either, who says the bible is the word of god??? Wierwille, just watch your wallet for gods sake...christianity the ruination of our nation, that gave us George Bush...I was better off before PFAL even with all my faults and failings...PFAL the class of contraditions in every session...Speaking in Tongues, probably due to languages spoken in other lives, hmh!!!PFAL at least I know what it is? and stay away...never helped me get deliverance from crossdressing, cause coulda never discussed it cause think we're in as gays...I have no need for counseling, just need to vent, that's it!!!thanks...

I was the first one in my house to burn all my wierwille books, they were getting pretty boring and lacked a lot of substance,(things didn't fit, like the bible,something was definitely missing) keep reading em to find answers where none were to be found...read the bible, but with Wierwille's interpretation and keys, didn't really help much except for difference between a version and a translation...a version is reworked, how many times though??? how screwed up can it get over the years...tsk, tsk, tsk, the money to be made on Wierwille books, but would I make it if I still had them to sell ????? really??? or is this just wishful thinking... Wierwille will just lead people to the 700 club, is that really where you want to go??? think about it???

I learned that Doctor VPW led us to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and I wouldn't follow those bastards if they were the last people on earth...Ha! Ha! Ha!