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  2. Can anyone tell me where i can find the post which states that vw did not really believe the word of God? This was why I think he was such a bold faced liar The article records the admissions in bullet form Thanks
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  4. Yes i agree -This is the big mistake that most twi followers made- we should have researched VW and TW1 much earlier and we might have not gone through the heartach of clinging on to this clown. TW is a sinful cult that keeps you in bondage to a false ministry and it keeps you distracted with so many interesting things .e 4 crucified, 3 days and 3 nights etc that "wows" us and furthermore vw gives us scriptures like: Acts 17:11 [Full Chapter] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. We follow the logic that vw is full of integrity and because he is asking us to check the scriptures out. vw is a true wolf in sheep's clothing. He is falsely "attaching" his cleverly disguised falseness and plagiarism to the rock solid scriptures of God's word so we never the question the man who so "bravely" and "fearlessly" asking us to check the scriptures to check if it is true. There is nothing wrong with the scriptures- it's the spiritual idiot hiding behind the scriptures that stinks Matthew 7:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. By the time the rotten fruit of vw was known anywhere from 5-15 years, it would have shattered countless lives and left deep wounds and scars vw is a classic con artist- the devil would be so proud of him He makes steve martin and michael caine in the movie "dirty rotten scoundrels" look like amateurs
  5. I figured that you would probably get the only Marvel role. I didn't get to use Roy Hobbs, or Jeremiah Johnson, or Henry Brubaker, or Waldo Pepper, or Jay Gatsby, or the Sundance Kid. Oh, well. George
  6. I did see it, but I can't remember anything about it except that Lori Petty was in it. George
  7. Yesterday
  8. For a moment, I was thinking "Donald Pierce" and thinking about how I never watched the X-Men movies. But ALEXANDER Pierce is connected with SHIELD. So, this might be ROBERT REDFORD.
  9. That's the movie. If you'd seen it, you might have remembered there was a Cole Porter number in it.
  10. Since it's 2033, instead of "Tank" I'll go with "Tank Girl." George
  11. "Now - everybody throw down your guns or I scrape off all her make up!.....This might take a really long time." "Look, it's been swell, but the swelling's gone down." "Listen up, cause I'm only telling you this once. I'm not bedtime story lady, so pay attention. It's 2033. The world is *screwed* now. You see, a while ago this humongous comet came crashing into the earth. Bam, total devastation. End of the world as we know it. No celebrities, no cable TV, no water. It hasn't rained in 11 years. Now 20 people gotta squeeze inside the same bathtub - so it ain't all bad." "All the king's horses and all the king's men... wish they had the technology I have." "I have two words for you. Brush your teeth! " "What the hell is that?" " Sounds like Cole Porter, sir." "End it!" "Sir!" ]"You gotta think about it like the first time you got laid. You just gotta say: "Daddy, are you sure this is right?" " You're sick." " How come you always do that? How come you always cover your mouth when you smile? You got bad teeth or somethin'?" " Eight, eight, the burning hate. Between Sunday and Monday there lies a day so dark it will devastate. " " Look, if you want to torture me, spank me, lick me, do it. But if this poetry sh* continues, shoot me now, please." "You take the tank!" " Are you sure? " "You see, this tank isn't... isn't..." "What? Just one little adjective and we'll have a *whole* sentence. Isn't, glad, sad... mad... Lonely..." " Isn't... Operational." "How do I know you're not lying?" "Because if, if I was lying, your lungs would be full of cyanide gas." " Cool! So we get a new tank."
  12. IIRC, that's Howard Jones and "Life In A Day." (If I recall poorly, it might be "Life in ONE Day" and I may have the artist wrong.)
  13. A whistleblower is person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity. Since we really don’t have any details of the split or of what Peter W knew or didn’t know at the time – I am very hesitant to lay any “should-have-dones” on him. Back in the early days, having Bullinger’s and Kenyon’s books around the bookstore – it may have given the appearance wierwille had nothing to hide...keep in mind the type of folks in his sphere of influence might not have thought it was even such a big deal like we would think today - it's a matter of perception. And really, how many scholarly or academic-type folks did he attract anyway. Thanks T-Bone for clarifying. i forget that VW although he is a spiritual pig and a idiot, He is cunning like his father diabolos. PW's conduct under the circumstances was admirable and he did what so few if any did in leaving a false ministry. I wonder why VW didnt claim the prophetic ministry but just as a tacher. I guess people would have easily seen that he was lying through his teeth if he brought on any "direct" messages from God Thanks
  14. We can't know for sure. I would say, though, it's a real possibility. The Way always seem to focus its recruitment efforts on exercising a "trophy mentality". In other words, "If we could get such and such a famous person to take PFAL, the world would sit up and take notice." There is currently a certain global, quasi-religious cult that relies heavily on this approach. I'm sure you can guess their name.
  15. One thing to keep in mind in this context......throughout the 1950s and 1960s, wierwille concentrated his efforts on reaching church people and specifically, church leaders and ministers. Having attended E. Stanley Jones' Ashram (retreat) in 1944 with church ministers and elders.....the young 27 year-old wierwille thought that he, too, could do this with his fledgling outreach. Then.....12 years later (1956)......wierwille, wife and kids, go on that India itinerary. Wierwille's narcissism is writing checks that his ministry (cough, cough) couldn't cash. Through contacts with Bishop K.C. Pillai.....a Dr. I. S. Williams becomes their host upon arrival. Interestingly, Mrs. Wierwille's book references this man as "Dr. J. S. Williams (perhaps, the scribbled notes at the time were the reason for this mistake....or something else?). Dr. Williams was a prominent and distinguished man. Dr. I. S. Williams was president of the All-India Federation of Churches and pastor of the St. Paul's Hindustani Church in Byculla, Bombay and devotee of Indian history.....and more. Wierwille, in his narcissistic realm, embellishes this huge storyline in pfal of his India experience. Yet, truth be told......it was Dr. I. S. Williams that was well-respected and highly prominent to religious and political officeholders.....and therefore, doors DID OPEN because Williams was the man that opened them. Not wierwille. And, all that bloviating in pfal of teaching the Word of God at the Jain Convention......when in reality, wierwille spoke for about 20-30 minutes (translated by Williams) in a week-long convention. So.....back to Peter Wade attending summer school in 1965........the guy was from Australia. Not only did Wade have talent and skill sets, he also was from another country. Could it be that this was another reason why wierwille invited him to twi's headquarters? A young church leaders (check). Another country (check). The following links go into more detail. Narcissistic Self-Promotion Ash Heap of TWI-story
  16. A whistleblower is person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity. Since we really don’t have any details of the split or of what Peter W knew or didn’t know at the time – I am very hesitant to lay any “should-have-dones” on him. Back in the early days, having Bullinger’s and Kenyon’s books around the bookstore – it may have given the appearance wierwille had nothing to hide...keep in mind the type of folks in his sphere of influence might not have thought it was even such a big deal like we would think today - it's a matter of perception. And really, how many scholarly or academic-type folks did he attract anyway. Thanks T-Bone for clarifying. i forget that VW although he is a spiritual pig and a idiot, He is cunning like his father diabolos. PW's conduct under the circumstances was admirable and he did what so few if any did in leaving a false ministry. I wonder why VW didnt claim the prophetic ministry but just as a tacher. I guess people would have easily seen that he was lying through his teeth if he brought on any "direct" messages from God Thanks
  17. Twinky

    bad advice

    Very true, "social distancing" is a weird expression. Some people, mostly young adult males, not obviously family groups, are still walking about very close together. Strange how quickly that has become quite indecent.
  18. Last week
  19. Yeah, probably Twinky. I was in London '78-'79, and used to drive to Gartmore every weekend from Aberdeen for the sunday service, did it for years. I was in Birmingham once or twice for something or other, probably stayed in a Holiday Inn, can't remember now.
  20. Nevertheless, keeping physical distance (6 feet) from each other is the MOST important thing we can all do to limit the reach of the virus in this pandemic.
  21. Rocky

    bad advice

    excellent point. We here at GSC are kinda close socially, but not physically.
  22. Hi George. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we've met, long long ago. Gartmore, Birminghamor possibly London?
  23. This made me chuckle.The first 2 years I was in FellowLaborers, we didn't even have telephones or TVs. The only access to a telephone was a public pay phone at the truck stop down the road and the cost of a long distance call was outrageously prohibitive. My third year, I was in a house that had a TV, but they kept us so busy there was little time to actually watch it.
  24. A whistleblower is person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity. Since we really don’t have any details of the split or of what Peter W knew or didn’t know at the time – I am very hesitant to lay any “should-have-dones” on him. Back in the early days, having Bullinger’s and Kenyon’s books around the bookstore – it may have given the appearance wierwille had nothing to hide...keep in mind the type of folks in his sphere of influence might not have thought it was even such a big deal like we would think today - it's a matter of perception. And really, how many scholarly or academic-type folks did he attract anyway. vpw might have been " hiding the truth in plain sight" (which is a trick on one's perception) – sort of like saying “why would I have all these other authors' books on display if I was trying to hide that I plagiarized from them?”...vpw tells a story of Doc Higgins (i think) - who handed him a Bullinger book and said "Bullinger writes like you teach" or something like that - again there's the idea of putting vpw in the same league as Bullinger. " yeah, just fitting the pieces together in the build-an accurate-word-of-god-puzzle." ...and for that matter, as Skyrider mentioned that it wasn't until the later edition of RTHST that vpw had omitted the reference to Stiles in the preface - was that an ever fomenting guilty conscience trying to do a better job of covering his plagiarism tracks? I don't know - just thinking out loud here...In thinking about that “hiding in plain sight” trick – something he said in “The Way Living in Love” comes to mind – basically vpw said something like he never taught anything new – he just pieced together what others have taught so that it was accurate. Odd though - he doesn't specifically mention any names. Some die-hard wierwille fans will argue that is vpw giving those he plagiarized from the proper credit....yeah right - shame on you ....probably some of that "all truth is God's truth" mentality was around back then too - which softens plagiarism / the boundaries of intellectual property to "we're all really just teaching from the same book anyway - God's Word" There was no internet back then with websites like Grease Spot, TransChat or Waydale. Could TWI followers or former followers have contacted Peter W in Australia at some point about things going awry? It’s possible. But I haven’t heard of any – maybe others have…I think by the time TWI was in full-throttle cult mode Peter W was long gone and too far away to be concerned about it all.
  25. Free post if someone has one. Otherwise, I'll come up with something shortly, but don't feel obliged to wait.
  26. Oh hello. Pretend the water is champagne and fill my glass again and again.
  27. Clearly, Wade was strong in his faith, goals and personal boundaries. He did not go into the corps program. Nor did he, it seems, allow wierwille to "set the hook" of joining wierwille's inner circle or yes-men club. If I understand this background correctly........Wade would have been 30 or 31 years old.....35 or 36 years old in 1970 with wife, Vivian, at his side and two children. Peter Wade wasn't some young buck looking to go corps and become a state/region coordinator. Wade was his own man. The above paragraph pretty much nails why Peter Wade very quietly and peacefully left. He must have seen too much of "monkeying around by VW and being a man of godly principles he did the right thing and left from a con artist who was all show- VW was exactly the opposite of what he potrayed in the pfal class. I don't know how someone can be such a shame faced liarr. I remember VW mentioning Peter Wade during the class and also also in writing in one of the books and it surprised me how come Peter Wade wasnt one of the generals in TW like how LCM and the other driver goat who licked VW's boots were being put in front. I thought maybe Peter Wade was instrumental asa one time help in the TW ministry and didnt think much about it. Unlike many of us trapped ones who were onfire conquering the world(this is how VW gets people fired up giving his students that they are going to be the movers and shakers in the world and then indoctrinate them through the pfal, intermediate and advanced class. and for the more ambitious the way corp, PW made the right move right from the start- He saw the religious cr__p and wasnt sucked in like many of us who depended on some goon called VW to "teach" us how to rightly dvide the word of God and do mighty exploits. The one thing that PW should have done when he was out of VW's range should have been to be a whistle blower and prayed to God how he can disrupt the false ministry of VW. We read in the New Testament- how Jesus Christ and Paul when he was converted confronted the false teachers of the day speaking the truth. It's one thing to come out from the lions den to save your skin and remain pure but it's another thing to inform the world about a developing false teacher and cult that is going to trap thousands and thousands of young people and and cause huge physcologial and emtional scars in their lives. PW would have been in a perfect position to be a whilstle blower because he wasnt part of the ruling hierachy and he wasnt jostling for power. I wonder if he tried to- If PW ganged up with the people like Bullinger or Kenyon and took VW to court for plagiarising and Do you think VW would have a grand success in rolling the PFAL indoctrination wagon into town?
  28. This would be Raf's turn, if he wants it... George
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