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  2. GeorgeStGeorge

    Name that Tune

    Not a single line of that song is familiar to me. George
  3. Taxidev

    Dianne Maxson

    You can find her on facebook, in case you're still looking.
  4. Human without the bean

    Name that Tune

    Oh I'm sure you've heard of it before WordWolf unless you weren't into listening to music in the 70's.
  5. Apologies to those who grew up in TWI (i.e. Bolshevik and others) who endured noxious fundamentalism and survived. In the spirit of putting perspective to our dysfunctional cult background, I present to you, Educated by Tara Westover. It may be important for me to reiterate that I'm not excusing the oppressiveness and abuse inherent in the social structure of twi, nor am I suggesting it wasn't so bad. I do suggest that there's always worse. More importantly, Ms. Westover shows remarkable determination to overcome her upbringing in an isolated family in Idaho. Most importantly, Tara's story is a memoir of hope. Amazon.com Review An Amazon Best Book of February 2018: Tara Westover wasn’t your garden variety college student. When the Holocaust was mentioned in a history class, she didn’t know what it was (no, really). That’s because she didn’t see the inside of a classroom until the age of seventeen. Public education was one of the many things her religious fanatic father was dubious of, believing it a means for the government to brainwash its gullible citizens, and her mother wasn’t diligent on the homeschooling front. If it wasn’t for a brother who managed to extricate himself from their isolated—and often dangerous--world, Westover might still be in rural Idaho, trying to survive her survivalist upbringing. It’s a miraculous story she tells in her memoir Educated. For those of us who took our educations for granted, who occasionally fell asleep in large lecture halls (and inconveniently small ones), it’s hard to grasp the level of grit—not to mention intellect—required to pull off what Westover did. But eventually earning a PhD from Cambridge University may have been the easy part, at least compared to what she had to sacrifice to attain it. The courage it took to make that sacrifice was the truest indicator of how far she’d come, and how much she’d learned. Educated is an inspiring reminder that knowledge is, indeed, power. --Erin Kodicek, Amazon Book Review
  6. T-Bone

    Twi's spiritual legitimacy is waning

    welcome to Grease Spot, Karin ! "I loved listening to that band" me too "It gave me a love of the Bible" me too
  7. waysider

    Twi's spiritual legitimacy is waning

    Hello, Karin. I see you are new to GSC. Welcome aboard.
  8. Allan

    Twi's spiritual legitimacy is waning

    One of my faves ! The lead singer of this band was once told by his father he would never amount to anything....
  9. GeorgeStGeorge

    Name that Flick

    It is, indeed. George
  10. T-Bone

    Eph 3:20 JOY! - my daughter left the Corp!!

    Aloha Ann, welcome to Grease Spot and I’m so happy for you !!!! I first took PFAL in ’74 and went to Advanced Class ’79 too ! Wow it’s almost like we’re twins ! I can relate to your excitement of when family disentangles themselves from TWI’s web of deceit. My wife and I were Family Corps and we left in the maelstrom generated by G33r’s passing of a turd paper. Our exit wasn’t anything as dramatic as what you described (standing up to leadership); we just slowly drifted away…after resigning our position, putting our relationship with TWI on hold and following up on what we thought were “red flags” in doctrine in practice…kept on drifting ever since…once you get used to it, a self-directed journey is pretty nice…finding Grease Spot was a big boost to our confidence – that other folks saw these red flags too. Family…yes family is a big deal! …took me awhile to get that…in TWI it was pretty much shoved down everyone’s throat that you put God and the ministry first…but that all changed when we left…the way we raised our kids changed – not just a shift in what we thought was important for them to know, encouraging them to think, respecting personhood, etc. but also interpersonal-wise…for example, one of my new lifelong projects became working at being less and less of an a$$hole to my wife and kids…I’ve found a big secret to achieving that is simply following the golden rule – Luke 6:31, treat others the way I would like to be treated. my mindset used to be ensconced in way-dogma – so I had this vague idea that I should treat others the way I saw wierwille and certain other spiritual a$$holes treat people. Their rule was “it’s my way or the highway.” Speaking of dogma - I love when you said “but after I left I experienced how large our heavenly Father is - He is not constricted in a box or by the dogma of The Way International.” I feel the same way…I'm now celebrating life outside the box on a daily basis… Love, peace and best wishes to you and your family T-Bone
  11. dmiller

    Eph 3:20 JOY! - my daughter left the Corp!!

    Congratulations and best wishes to them for their future success (which is assured now that they are out). You're right - - we do know the feeling all to well. Traumatic at first - - but the freedom quickly grows on you.
  12. WordWolf

    Name that Flick

    *rechecks the thread* I remembered the movie, as well. It's "Addams Family Values".
  13. WordWolf

    Eph 3:20 JOY! - my daughter left the Corp!!

    We're all DELIGHTED for all of you! *cues Mariachi band* As you know, their lives will only get better from here- after a short adjustment period something like learning to live in a foreign country.
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  15. I was involved with the Way International Ministry for over 20 years. PFAL class grad 1974, Advanced Class 1979, WOW Vet 1994-1995. I raised my family in the word, according to leadership. Three of my four children are Advanced Class grads. My oldest daughter went WOW after High School graduation, 1991-1992. When she came back home to Ohio, she married a wonderful man who was also raised in the word and involved with The Way International. When the "dang hit the Fan" - Martindale and the leadership doing their "mark and avoid" trip - my family was kicked out for standing up to leadership (NO disagreements allowed or condoned). However, my firstborn and her husband stayed in. So we joined the ranks, like so many other God-Loving families, of being split apart. We had many years of little contact. She moved around the country, and they became ever more active in the new regime headed by Rivenbark and crew. I started constant prayer when she informed me that her husband, herself, and my two grandchildren were committed to becoming Way Corps - #37. I have occasionally read the experiences of former Way Corps leadership who have left, on these forums. To mention I was "troubled" by the course their lives were headed is an understatement. They spent one year in-residence and became graduated Way corps leadership in the Post-Martindale Way international. Once again they moved across the country to serve in various leadership capacities. With the horror stories of experiences endured while living at Headquarters, I was disturbed (heart and soul) when my beautiful daughter told me that her family was moving back to Ohio and living as staff Way Corps at Headquarters. NO-NO-NO-PLEASE GOD NO!!! They were (WERE) on staff for a few years...and this is why I wanted to share the GOOD NEWS OF GOD'S DELIVERANCE--- My daughter and son-in-law have moved away from New Knoxville and they resigned their Way Corps status!!!!! HALLELUJAH!!! i have been praying for them to wake up and it took being on the inside at the Way International Headquarters to finally open their eyes to the corrupt rot that infests that Ministry. They bought a house and have secular jobs now. I just had a long conversation with my daughter and am thankful to know it was a fully-aware and committed joint decision to cut ties to the Way International and "lay low" in order to adjust to the real world. She didn't go into details, but my heart leaped within me for joy when she told me, "Mom, I quit drinking their kool-aid!" Our God Almighty is SO AWESOME!!! And His deliverance is available - in His timing. She's finally free!! Her husband and children are free!! I am so thankful that I learned the truth of God's Word via the classes and teaching of the Way, but after I left I experienced how large our heavenly Father is - He is not constricted in a box or by the dogma of The Way International. Now her family has that freedom to live a truly abundant life together. My prayers have been answered. God bless for allowing me to share the fullness of my heart right now. Above all, I know you all know what this feels like.
  16. Thomas Loy Bumgarner

    Twi's spiritual legitimacy is waning

    My, tastes in Christian music is traditional pipe organ and choral(Lutheran, Episcopalian/Anglican, Russian Orthodox, Catholic, Moravian). Any CCM I listen to is Hillsongs, Paul Baloche, Newsboys, Don Moen, Lincoln Brewster, etc.
  17. GeorgeStGeorge

    Name that Movie

    Yoo-hoo! Huuuumannnnn! George
  18. GeorgeStGeorge

    Name that Flick

    1 "I don't wanna hurt anybody. I don't enjoy hurting anybody. I don't like guns, or bombs, or electric chairs. But sometimes people just won't listen. And so, I have to use persuasion. And slides. My parents, Sharon and Dave. Generous, doting, or *were they*? All I ever wanted was a Ballerina Barbie. In her pretty pink tutu. My birthday. I was 10, and do you know what they got me? *Malibu* Barbie." 2 "Malibu Barbie." 3 "The nightmare." 2 "The nerve." 1 [flicks to the next slide of her throwing a bared-teeth temper tantrum] "That's not what I wanted! That's not who I was. I was a *ballerina*, graceful, delicate! They had to go." "But what if you met the right man, who worshiped and adored you? Who'd do anything for you? Who'd be your devoted slave? Then what would you do?" "I'd pity him." "You'll meet someone. Someone very special. Someone who won't press charges." 1 "And then Mommy kissed Daddy, and the angel told the stork, and the stork flew down from heaven, and left a diamond under a leaf in the cabbage patch, and the diamond turned into a baby!" 2 "Our parents are having a baby, too." 3 "They had sex." "Wait!" "What?" "We cannot break bread with you." "Huh? [aside] Becky, what's going on?" "You have taken the land which is rightfully ours. Years from now my people will be forced to live in mobile homes on reservations. Your people will wear cardigans, and drink highballs. We will sell our bracelets by the road sides, you will play golf, and enjoy hot hors d'oeuvres. My people will have pain and degradation. Your people will have stick shifts. The gods of my tribe have spoken. They have said, "Do not trust the Pilgrims, especially Sarah Miller."" [aside] "Gary, she's changing the words!" "And for all these reasons I have decided to scalp you and burn your village to the ground." "I demand justice! Someone has married my brother!" [sarcastically] "No!" "She took him to Hawaii!" [cynically] "Get outta here!" "They have moved into a large, expensive home, where they make love *constantly*!" "I hate when that happens." "Arrest her at once, without delay!" George
  19. GeorgeStGeorge

    TV Show Mash-Up

    Originally sponsored by the Ford Motor Company, which supplied all of the vehicles used on the show. In the closing credits, the star could always be seen driving off in the current year's Ford Mustang. Of the series that Quinn Martin produced, this series was his longest running of all. It aired nine seasons. Mark Felt, who later unmasked as the infamous Watergate informant "Deep Throat", served as a Technical Advisor for this show. George
  20. Karin

    Twi's spiritual legitimacy is waning

    I loved listening to that band -wish I could find their album. They were very talented. I was n the ministry in the early 70s. It gave me a love of the Bible.
  21. GeorgeStGeorge

    TV Show Mash-Up

    It all came together for me with the "only mostly dead" line. I didn't watch "Soap" all that often, so I had no idea someone was shot at the end. I didn't watch Benson all that often, either. New one, soon. George
  22. I don't know what bible they are using to justify this, but mine says this: "Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Nowhere in that verse does it say "unless they aren't part of the way ministry". They have broken apart a "one flesh" union where they had no authority to do that. If that's not evil I don't know what is.
  23. Raf

    TV Show Mash-Up

    I thought saying the spinoff was "not a serial" was as dead a giveaway as I could come up with.
  24. WordWolf

    Name that Tune

    Or she's really, really a fan of that album. Meanwhile, we have a different song this month, and I've probably never heard it.
  25. WordWolf

    TV Show Mash-Up

    Looks I should have taken one of my wild swings last night. Without one clue to point to, I was suspecting it was "Soap."
  26. Raf

    TV Show Mash-Up

    Jessica Tate is shot by South American guerillas in the series finale of Soap. She later appeared on an episode of Benson as either a ghost (my memory) or some other kind of apparition (imdb's memory) who needed Benson's help to do a good deed to get to heaven (or something). Robert Guillaume won an emmy for playing Benson on Soap. Billy Crystal's big break was on Soap as one of the first openly gay characters on a network tv series.
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