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  2. Here’s another mashup version Aaand one more Can’t leave out Ye! I mean it’s like re-search
  3. You mean reading the same thing over and over again still says the same thing? Whoda thunk!
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  5. Oops - I obviously wasn't paying attention. I watched 20 seconds of the second video and saw it was the same dreaded song with different dancers. Without checking the titles, I ignored the other three because the same creepy dude was front and center. Anyway, I realized my mistake after reading OldSkool's post. Poker Face has the best music - even made the dancing a bit more tolerable.
  6. Hi Charity - here's my 2 cents... First off let me say what the renewed mind is NOT: When I was in the Family Corps at the Rome City Campus wierwille showed us a pornographic video of women having sex with a dog. Bear in mind this was the Family corps, so besides adults there were teens present! In the set up beforehand, wierwille’s preliminary remarks foisted this $hit on us under the pretext of training us to become competent counselors in a supposedly Christian ministry - so that when people come to you with their problems you shouldn’t be shocked by anything. As a group I think most of us were shocked, unnerved and flustered by wierwille’s flagrant disregard for anyone’s feelings, social mores or the inappropriateness of what he did. And to add insult to injury, after the video was over – wierwille sat there all smug in a comfortable chair drinking his Drambuie, looks over the stunned audience and casually says, “I’ve so renewed my mind that stuff like this doesn’t bother me.” ...wierwille used “renew your mind” like a trump card to cause feelings of guilt in those who were offended by his behavior – like they’re the ones with a problem and are being unchristian-like. By the way, it’s not like wierwille showing this porn video to our Family Corps was an isolated incident. Over the years he had shown it to many other Way Corps during their in-residence training – as well as taking that as the opportune time to launch into other salacious and titillating topics (as he did with our Family Corps that night). Soooooooo, that’s NOT the renewed mind! That’s a perverted harmful and controlling cult-leader’s method of indoctrination – desensitize and move boundaries. ~ ~ ~ ~ Now look at Romans 12: 1 & 2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will… Romans 12 NIV - A Living Sacrifice - Bible Gateway The Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible notes of Romans 12:1,2 that Paul’s wording of “living sacrifice” is figurative and would have been relevant to those familiar with Old Testament like in Psalms 51:17 and Proverbs 21:3 as an expression of devotion to God . Because most animal sacrifices were slaughtered, Paul’s addition of “living” might strike hearers as a oxymoron, while stretching the image to cover continued devotion. End of referencing Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible ~ ~ ~ ~ There are several dramatic differences from wierwille’s teaching / modeling the renewed mind and what is obvious in the biblical text: wierwille: I can conduct myself toward others anyway I full well please. Romans 12:1: pledge that you will conduct yourself toward others in a way that honors God - which will please Him. wierwille: I speak in tongues – that is true worship. Romans 12:1: honoring God in everything you do is true and proper worship. wierwille: enjoy all the pleasures and evils of this world by not giving it a second thought. Romans 12:2: do not adapt to this world. wierwille: change the way you think about your bad behavior. Romans 12:2: renovate your mind – by cleansing and repairing it. ( the how-to I leave up to a Christian’s study and application of the Bible working in tandem with The Holy Spirit). wierwille: so you can deceive yourself, and think you are doing God a favor. Romans 12:2: walk the talk to demonstrate to yourself what is right…this alludes to Scripture being self-authenticating – see Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own…John 7:17 ~ ~ ~ ~ Well, that’s my 2 cents anyway – I’ll shut up and let others chime in
  7. There's no doubt the internal reward system appears hijacked. Being motivated in abnormal ways. I assume that's dopamine. And if you're not engaged in normal pursuits and achieving worthwhile goals the heaviness of some of the meetings, like face melting, rants, witness absolute BS to complete strangers, . . . . adrenaline The Twig face, the cult smile . . . something is misfiring.
  8. It's an insatiable yearning for stretched coffee.
  9. I wonder if it's from dopamine or adrenaline.
  10. Poker Face is my favorite, hands down! I like the song, which you wouldnt think I would if you knew me in person being a rather burly individual. But the work on the video edit took some skill and the comments....creepy guy, not gonna happen, and sassy...Im literally belly laughing... I was in residence with dancing monkey boy and all I gotta say is this couldnt have happened to a better person. The guy had an ego the size of Texas and really thought he could dance with the stars. I think he basically learned to dance watching cheesy MTV type dance instructional videos. Back then he was a complete putz. Don't know about now, so hes likely grown up a bit.
  11. "authority of scripture" "what the Bible actually teaches" Your belief has no bearing on what it teaches? Is this a vote that scripture interprets itself? I tend to the reader interprets what they read. Unless they don't. The Roman Catholic church claims authority over what the Bible teaches, this makes sense since they assembled it . . . unless they didn't.
  12. Yeah, that kind of makes me run out the door and never want to hear those words again. Not the strength and power I was picturing in my mind.
  13. How about "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind????"
  14. That was Rush's "the Spirit of Radio." FREE POST!
  15. No dang? I'd vaguely heard of the third movie as a story where they play ghosts, but that was a long time ago.
  16. I heard the phrase "putting it all together" while at HQ. Sorry I meant it somewhat rhetorical. . . . When TWI says "putting it all together" . . . put what together? . . . . . . I swear people get a literal high off of this nonsense
  17. The renewed mind is still the key. Widely imitated, never duplicated.
  18. So VP didn’t write the scripture he just copy pasta the other secret sources who wrote about the scripture?
  19. Hi T-Bone, I know the practice of the “renewed mind” was seriously distorted in twi, but I wanted to bring it up since I recently saw a connection between the mind and the holy spirit while reading Ephesians. Eph 1:17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people, Eph 3:16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Usually when I think of being strong, I interpreted it as physical strength. However, Paul is connecting all of them together - strength, power, spirit, inner being and Christ dwelling in our hearts. Since each of them have to do with the mind (i.e., our cerebrum), it all comes back to the "renewed mind." After the mind games played in twi (especially in the corps) and the absent Christ fiasco, what do you and others think and feel about the renewed mind doctrine?
  20. A brief timeout to answer this question, which I overlooked when it was originally posted. It is correct that I put no credence in scripture as far as its truthfulness. It would be incorrect to say I don't think there is any coherent message to be found in its pages. I believe the Bible teaches what it teaches. Sometimes it's contradictory. Often it's not. But in any event, I think one can look at the Bible fairly and come to a conclusion about what it teaches, even without believing it. I believe in a very real, tangible way that the Bible teaches an absent Christ and that the Word is the only thing that takes the place of the absent Christ in a manner outside the subjective control of someone claiming to experience him. That I believe it's a bunch of hooey is rather besides the point, as OldSkool correctly noted in the remainder of the post I just quoted. To wit: [Emphasis mine] If you can't see my point scripturally, then I have failed to communicate it. If you don't agree with my point, fine by me. I'm not exactly disagreeing with yours. In doctrinal, I tend not to challenge the authority of scripture (now and then, as an aside, but not generally). This forum is trying to get at what the Bible actually teaches. That's what I tried to get at. That I don't believe it anymore has no bearing on what it teaches.
  21. Sounds like something from "Jesus Christ Superstar" to me. But, I haven?t got any other clue.
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