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  1. A friend recently sent me this and thought I would place it here in support of the apostles' commitment to Jesus. Have no idea if one or more of these statements are true but if so, could be powerful anecdotal evidence. Please feel free to post any historical inaccuracies of the statements made here: HOW THE APOSTLES DIED. 1. Matthew. Suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia; killed by a sword wound. 2. Mark. Died in Alexandria Egypt, after being dragged by horses through the streets until he was dead. 3. Luke. Was hanged in Greece as a result of his preaching to the lost. 4. John. Faced martyrdom when he was boiled in a huge basin of boiling oil during a wave of persecution in Rome. However, he was miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines on the prison island of Patmos. He wrote the Book of Revelation on Patmos. The apostle John was later freed and returned to serve as Bishop of Edessa in modern Turkey. He died as an old man, the only apostle to die peacefully. 5. Peter. He was crucified upside down on an x shaped cross. According to church tradition it was because he told his tormentors that he felt unworthy to die the same way that Jesus had died. 6. James. Leader of the church in Jerusalem, was thrown over a hundred feet down from the southeast pinnacle of the Temple when he refused to deny his faith in Jesus. When they discovered that he survived the fall, his enemies beat him to death with a fuller's club. This was the same pinnacle where Satan had taken Jesus during the Temptation. 7. James the Son of Zebedee, was a fisherman by trade when Jesus called him. As a strong leader of the church, James was beheaded at Jerusalem. The Roman officer who guarded James watched amazed as James defended his faith at his trial. Later, the officer walked beside James to the place of execution. Overcome by conviction, he declared his new faith to the judge and knelt beside James to accept beheading as a Christian. 8. Bartholomew. Also known as Nathaniel, was a missionary to Asia. He witnessed for Jesus in present day Turkey. Bartholomew was martyred for his preaching in Armenia where he was flayed to death by a whip. 9. Andrew. He was crucified on an x shaped cross in Patras, Greece. After being whipped severely by seven soldiers, they tied his body to the cross with cords. His followers reported that, when he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these words, "I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has been consecrated by the body of Jesus hanging on it". He continued to preach to his tormentors for two days until he expired. 10. Thomas. Stabbed with a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to establish the church in the subcontinent. 11. Jude. He was killed with arrows when he refused to deny his faith in Jesus. 12. Matthias. The apostle chosen to replace Judas. He was stoned and then beheaded. 13. Paul. He was tortured and then beheaded by Emperor Nero in Rome in A.D. 67. Paul endured a lengthy imprisonment, which allowed him to write his many epistles to the churches he had formed throughout the Roman Empire. These letters, which taught many of the foundational doctrines of Christianity, form a large portion of the New Testament.
  2. I am wondering if we can make believe scripture doesn't exist. It has no authority therefore ANY references to it are mere claims, not proof. (in this thread only) LOL
  3. ok fair enough. I will admit that there are learn-ed folks who believe Jesus never existed in the flesh. Guess I'll be a spectator of this thread and see what's up although it's a bit uncomfortable.
  4. Road to Damascus? Imagine having a life-changing experience from the Lord himself?
  5. I could be wrong but I've got the impression that first comes the personal judgment, then Jesus sends you to purgatory to pay for the venial sins. One of the first questions or doubts I had about it was: when Jesus sends you to purgatory for a time, how the hell can the saints pray you out of Jesus's personal sentence for you? LOL. That was when someone told me about the magic of the "community of saints". I'm still batting this around in my head.
  6. All I can say to this is, if the Lord wants to wash my mouth and heart out with His kind of soap for however long he pleases, I will gladly submit myself to all that He desires of me and accept all that He permits to happen to me.
  7. Thought there may be some interest reading about the group "People of Praise" mentioned inside this piece that I never heard of before: New role for Amy Coney Barrett’s father inside Christian sect sparks controversy (aol.com)
  8. Oh one more thing. I was taught in RCIA school that almost everyone goes to purgatory and in fact, it's very rare for someone to go directly to heaven.
  9. I've been praying St. Gertrude's prayer almost every day for a while: Eternal Father, I offer You the most Precious Blood of Your Divine Son, Jesus, in union with the Masses said throughout the world today, for all the Holy Souls in Purgatory, for sinners everywhere, for sinners in the Universal Church, those in my own home, and within my family. Amen. It is said that this prayer releases souls from purgatory. I asked a devout catholic friend how is it that "we" can release souls from purgatory after Jesus's judgment, and he said simply it has to do with the "community of saints." Still working that out in my head. But still praying too.
  10. A couple off the top of my head. First, gifts or manifestations of the Holy Spirit. We know the stuff is not original but came from B.G. Leonard's ministry, and a wonderful blessing to know, believe and practice. Even some Roman Catholics zealously practice it today. Then there's the birth of Christ and that date in history. I don't know from who VPW learned about the date, anyone know? But I've seen VPW's teaching on this topic in various places through the years and here's another one from recently. A little surprised that Craig didn't teach it during Christmas since it's the type of teaching he'd share during the season....
  11. Or was it VPW, DEW and HA?? Memory fart...
  12. If memory serves it was the trustees who picked him-- VPW, HEW AND EO? As to why -- they viewed him as the best to carry it on.
  13. Thx Charlene and Happy New Year! Was wondering if you can answer a question from your research. What do former fundamentalists believe religiously after they are rescued from their cult? Is there a recurring theme or pattern? I am now studying Catholicism but I don't suppose it's a typical alternative. Thx.
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