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  1. Mark Sanguinetti

    Severing Family/Church Ties and ....The Destruction of Self

    If the Way limb leaders are followers of Jesus Christ then they should also follow these scriptures. If they do not follow these scriptures then in practical application regarding marriage they are unbelievers. Hopefully as unbelievers they at least know how to wag their tails and not bark only. Friendly loving dogs know how to wag their tails. They should at least learn from dogs. 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. 12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? NIV
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    Severing Family/Church Ties and ....The Destruction of Self

    What are their names, especially their last name or family name? Anyone that knows them should try to get them to change and be more Christ like with God's Love. Is your son a believer in Jesus Christ? The limb leader family should obviously put on the mind of Christ instead of the mind of bias in their religious beliefs. We need to all improve. As a former Wayfer, here is a web site showing my beliefs now. http://christian-universalism.info/
  3. Mark Sanguinetti

    End times viewpoints

    Here are prophetic scriptures that show that during the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ that Life will be prolonged and health improved. It also says that people will live to be over 100 years old. There will still be death, but longer lives. In contrast to today we have cancer and other illnesses shortening people's lives. Isa 33:24 24 No one living in Zion will say, "I am ill"; and the sins of those who dwell there will be forgiven. NIV The city of Zion was used figuratively in Isaiah 60:14 as the city of the Lord or the Holy One of Israel. The spiritual meaning of Zion is continued in the New Testament, where it is given the Christian meaning of God's spiritual kingdom, the city of the living God (Heb 12:22; Rev 14:1) Isa 65:20 20 "Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. NIV
  4. Mark Sanguinetti

    Nothing New Under the Sun: The first sin of mankind

    in addressing the subject of the original poster here. The original sin was not masturbation or homosexuality. Do you believe it was one of these two? From Genesis it is not clear as to what it specifically was. Because it is not clear as to the specifics. Therefore after reading Genesis 2:16-17 my general conclusion is the following. In Genesis 2:16-17 after creating the world including agriculture, animals and mankind God told Adam that he was “free to eat from any tree in the garden”. However, “you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die”. This commandment by God was given as a test to Adam of his obedience to God the creator with proof that Adam was dependent of or needing God the creator. In addition, I agree with Waysider and Bolshevik and their posts here. Painting the spiritual devil as a serpent is symbolic and not literal. Satan is a spiritual being first created as an angel but then this angel turned bad. Instead of being service oriented, this spiritual being is greedy and wants power and authority instead of being service oriented to mankind.
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    Nothing New Under the Sun: The first sin of mankind

    To answer your question please read and learn from 1 Corinthians chapter 15. Perhaps I only mentioned the first part of this which is no eternal life for our physical bodies. Next is being raised with a spiritual body. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15&version=NIV 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
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    Nothing New Under the Sun: The first sin of mankind

    In remembering the PFAL class, I do not remember VPW teaching about homosexuality as the first sin. Instead I remember VPW teaching that the first sin was masturbation. Yes, mixing masturbation with the original sin also relates to sexuality. However, this shows NO sense and was perhaps his most errant teaching. As I recall Wierwille copied his best teachings from other teachers, while coming up with his worst teachings from his own thoughts. Saying that the hated serpent of Genesis relates to having sex with this monster is Crazy. Here is information on the original sin of mankind. Satan, who is a spiritual entity, is very good at deception and promoting myths of falsity. The first and primary example of this is seen in Genesis chapter 3:1-6. Here Satan the spiritual being is symbolically referred to as a serpent, which is a crawling reptile or snake. In Genesis 2:16-17 after creating the world including agriculture, animals and mankind God told Adam that he was “free to eat from any tree in the garden”. However, “you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die”. This commandment by God was given as a test to Adam of his obedience to God the creator with proof that Adam was dependent of or needing God the creator. Later in Genesis 3:4 the serpent says to the newly created woman called Eve that you won’t die when you do something that God said not to do. The woman did not agree with the serpent at first. However, Satan was and is a master of deception and got her to ignore the Word of God, while instead following what the serpent said to do. Then Eve talked Adam into following the same deception. As a result as worded in Genesis 3:17-19 we have some pain in life today that physically ends with decay and deterioration or as the bible says humanity physically returning to dust. Figurative language is used, but a simple explanation of humanity is no eternal life for our physical bodies. Instead working to live and survive with the eventual death of our physical bodies which biblically is seen as being buried in “the grave”.
  7. Mark Sanguinetti

    End times viewpoints

    Isaiah 2:2-4 2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the Lord's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it. 3 Many people shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 He shall judge between the nations, And rebuke many people; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war anymore. NKJV If this is prophetically showing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ then it says that we will not have wars in this future period of time with an obvious decrease in weapons. Instead during the last few centuries weapons have greatly increased. And today we even have nuclear weapons. Have we had wars in the last few years and last centuries? YES!!!
  8. Mark Sanguinetti

    End times viewpoints

    What NON-Christian person are you referring to and what article are you using as a reference? You are ignoring one of my points and questions that I asked you. What is "WAR"? Is this someone writing about a first century war?
  9. Mark Sanguinetti

    End times viewpoints

    Why do you want to learn about the future coming of Christ from a NON-Christian? Perhaps someone with Greek Pagan Mythology. What is that which you are quoting from "War"? I am sorry for you,, but I am not going to learn from someone with a possible Greek Pagan Mind. Regarding spiritual I would rather learn from a very good teacher from the New Testament, named Paul. Or from the person who wrote the book of Acts. Or from Old Testament scriptures that do NOT include a Greek Roman Pagan mindset. The future thousand year period after the coming of Jesus Christ will, among other positive things that are not seen today, result in righteous governments which is the world's greatest need today. Here is a quote from a NON-pagan book Isaiah. Isaiah 32:1-2 32 See, a king will reign in righteousness and rulers will rule with justice. 2 Each man will be like a shelter from the wind and a refuge from the storm, like streams of water in the desert and the shadow of a great rock in a thirsty land. NIV In comparison to rulers who rule with justice, someone like Adolph Hitler before and during World War 2 did not rule with justice. And today in the USA, legalized bribery is not justice either. Instead the bible is against bribery in many scriptures.
  10. Mark Sanguinetti

    End times viewpoints

    Acts 1:4-8 4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, "which," He said, "you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." NKJV The above verses clearly say that with the receiving of the holy spirit, which first occurred on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the next chapter of the book of Acts. What occurred in Acts chapter 1 was only some days from the day of Pentecost as recorded in Acts chapter 2. With this the witnesses of Jesus Christ will spread throughout the world or as the verse says, to the end of the earth. The second coming of Jesus Christ is not required for the witness of Jesus Christ to spread throughout the world. Instead it is the receiving of the holy spirit for individual people as written in Acts 2. And in the next verses the coming or return of Jesus Christ will be seen and watched in the same way that he left the earth for heaven. Has anyone throughout history seen or at least say they have seen Jesus Christ return from heaven to earth? If this occurred in the year 70 AD, with at least some of his original disciples or some of the new disciples brought to Christ still alive during this year, you would think that they would write their own article, letter or book clearly telling about this with this added to today’s bible. And with this writing, unlike the book of Revelation, they would not have to worry as much about the crazy hateful people of the first century who wanted to murder the disciples in part because of their clearly written writings. The reason for less worry is that the devil and his agents get put in prison, where they belong with the second coming of Jesus Christ as seen in the book of Revelation chapter 20. Acts 1:9-11 9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." NKJV
  11. Mark Sanguinetti

    Ephesians 4:14 and Wierwille's psychological deception

    In the 1980s as I was leaving the Way International, I wrote an article titled, THE LORDSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST - Contrasting the Lordship of Imperfect Man. Below is one of the paragraphs from the article that I wrote. The partial sentence, "the denominaiton I used to associate with" refers to the Way Internaitonal. There should not be a single doctrine which magnifies some at the expense of others. Only God the Father and his Son Jesus are to be exalted. Yet today we have false doctrines such as the pope being the Vicar of Christ, or that by our minds renewed to God's word we take the place of the absent Christ, as was taught in the denomination I used to associate with. He is surely not absent nor is anyone, regardless of which denomination he heads, be it big or small, the head of the body of believers. The only head of the body of believers is seated at God’s right hand in the heavenlies, the Lord Jesus Christ. It seems the Church, as made up of all believers in Jesus Christ regardless of denominational affiliation, is continually in jeopardy of making its leaders as lords and even worse, mediators between God and men, when in fact, there is but one God and one mediator, the man Christ Jesus (see 1 Timothy 2:5). 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; KJV
  12. Mark Sanguinetti

    Can salvation be lost?

    WOW, I was expecting those two MAD Spies that Chockfull showed us in the video that Chockfull posted to hug each other in the end. But then maybe that will only be in the new heaven and earth.
  13. Mark Sanguinetti

    Funny Religious Show Clip

    WOW, those two guys on the video are really good at babbling and giggling. They are even better at babbling and giggling than I am. Congratulations!
  14. Mark Sanguinetti

    End times viewpoints

    I don't have time to research and write now because of my heavy work schedule. However, here is something from the Nelson Bible Dictionary that can be related to the period of time (one thousand years as worded in the Rev. 20:2-3) when Satan is put in prison. SECOND COMING Christ's future return to the earth at the end of the present age. Although the Bible explicitly speaks of Christ's appearance as a "second time," the phrase "second coming" occurs nowhere in the New Testament. Many passages, however, speak of His return. In fact, in the New Testament alone it is referred to over 300 times. The night before His crucifixion, Jesus told His apostles that He would return (John 14:3). When Jesus ascended into heaven, two angels appeared to His followers, saying that He would return in the same manner as they had seen Him go (Acts 1:11). The New Testament is filled with expectancy of His coming, even as Christians should be today. Various opinions exist about what is meant by the Second Coming. Some regard it as the coming of the Holy Spirit on the day of PENTECOST. Others regard it as the coming of Christ into the heart at conversion. Christ's coming for the believer at the time of death is still another view. Careful examination of the New Testament, however, makes it clear that the Second Coming will be a climactic historical event. The Lord will return in the same manner in which He left. His coming will be personal, bodily, and visible. The time of the Second Coming is unknown. In fact, Jesus stated that only the Father knew the time. Therefore, the return of the Lord should be a matter of constant expectancy. As He came the first time, in the "fullness of time" (Gal 4:4), so will the Second Coming be. The believer's task is not to try to determine the time of the Second Coming. We should share the gospel message diligently until He returns (Acts 1:8-11). (from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright © 1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
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    End times viewpoints

    History tends to repeat itself over and over again. So if the Roman Empire at the time of the writings of John was considered to be a beast. If someone with the same mindset of John or John himself was alive before and during World War 2, what would he consider Nazi Germany under Adolph Hitler? Would he say that Adolph Hitler was part of the reign of Christ or would he think of Hitler with Nazi Germany as a beast? Using the same figurative language after I thought of Nazi Germany as a beast, hopefully I would not disagree with John, the writer of the book of Revelation. Using common sense and our brains, you would think that under Christ’s reign for the thousand year period of Revelation chapter 20, that deception, hate and evil would lessen and not increase. Since I have a brain, I do see love and peace increasing during this 1000 year reign of Christ. However, over the last number of centuries we have had many wars showing hatred under not service to humanity ruling authorities, which using figurative language could be called beasts. The Greek word for Beast is used 39 times in the book of Revelation and only 7 additional times in any other New Testament verse. Starting with the first verse of the book of Revelation chapter 20 the word beast in only used twice in the last three chapters of this book. These two verses are chapter 20, verse 4 which favors people who did not worship the beast and says they will live and reign with Christ during the 1000 year period and chapter 20 verse, 10 which has the beast in the lake of fire being tormented.