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  1. Mark Sanguinetti

    The Myth of Hell

    http://www.christian-universalism.info/myth-of-hell-pg5.html The question of TLC regarding the devil has already been addressed on this page.
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    The Myth of Hell

    It sounds like you do not want to read my post. Perhaps you are here only to argue. Do at least the usages of the Greek words lake and fire make any sense to you? Obviously, the phrase "Lake of Fire" relates to the word "Lake" and the word "Fire". Many people think that this results in the eternal torment of most of mankind? In contrast I see the "Lake of Fire" at least having a goal of the purification of man's sin nature. And this is through the Lord Jesus Christ who even prayed to God right before he was murdered for no crime committed. He asked God to even forgive those people. Should a person that during his lifetime was never even introduced to Jesus Christ and did not know that he even existed. Yet the person did not start any wars and never murdered anyone, nor stole from anyone. The "Lake of Fire" as eternal torment could mean that person also would receive eternal torment.
  3. Mark Sanguinetti

    The Myth of Hell

    Thank you for your comments Twinky. As a reward to me, may I pet your cats? Also hopefully your cats will get along with the dogs that are sometimes around me. A loving union of mankind with the future return of Jesus Christ. While also a union of dogs with cats. Yea!
  4. Mark Sanguinetti

    The Myth of Hell

    I do not have time to write an article now on the “lake of fire”. However, I can give some brief information with the help of my biblical study software. The only usages of the phrase “lake of fire” using the same Greek words are at the end of the often symbolic and figurative book of Revelation. These verses are Revelation 19:20 (one usage), Revelation 20:10 (one usage) and Relevation 20:14-15 (three usages). The context of these verses is the judgement of mankind. The outcome of this judgement is not stated in these verses. The word “lake” was not seen in a negative manner. Instead it was seen with positive imagery. As an example, the “sea of Galilee” was a fresh water lake fed by the Jordan River, which was closely connected to the ministry of Jesus Christ. A fishing industry thrived on the “sea of Galilee”. Jesus called his first disciples Peter, Andrew James and John from that industry. On and around the “sea of Galilee” Jesus performed 18 of His 33 recorded miracles and issued most of teachings to His disciples and the multitudes that followed him. The Greek word "fire" is sometimes only thought of negatively. In reality this word for fire is the Greek word, “puros”. This is the Greek word that we get our English words “purify” and “purification”. In the first century before electrical power was invented and generated to use for lamps and light bulbs to help see. One of the things that fire was used for was to see at night and for warmth at night. Here are some of the other usages of this same Greek word “puros”, translated to English in the New Testament as “fire”. Luke 3:16 16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire (puros): KJV Acts 2:3-4 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire (puros), and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. KJV 1 Cor 3:13-15 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire (puros); and the fire (puros) shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire (puros). KJV
  5. Mark Sanguinetti

    The Myth of Hell

    The Myth of Hell by Mark Sanguinetti Page 2 There should be no reason to learn from Greek and then Roman mythology. And for a warning, the God of this world, Satan, who is a spiritual entity, is very good at deception and promoting myths of falsity. The first and primary example of this is seen in Genesis chapter 3:1-6. Here Satan the spiritual being is symbolically referred to as a serpent, which is a crawling reptile or snake. In Genesis 2:16-17 after creating the world including agriculture, animals and mankind God told Adam that he was “free to eat from any tree in the garden”. However, “you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die”. This commandment by God was given as a test to Adam of his obedience to God the creator with proof that Adam was dependent of or needing God the creator. Later in Genesis 3:4 the serpent says to the newly created woman called Eve that you won’t die when you do something that God said not to do. The woman did not agree with the serpent at first. However, Satan was and is a master of deception and got her to ignore the Word of God, while instead following what the serpent said to do. Then Eve talked Adam into following the same deception. As a result as worded in Genesis 3:17-19 we have some pain in life today that physically ends with decay and deterioration or as the bible says humanity physically returning to dust. Figurative language is used, but a simple explanation of humanity is no eternal life for our physical bodies. Instead working to live and survive with the eventual death of our physical bodies which biblically is seen as being buried in “the grave”. As this relates to this myth of hell being eternal torment, this would also mean that death does not exist. Only a much worse, no death, never ending eternal existence of torture. In contrast, God has warned us that death or the grave does exist. However, God has also provided a means to eternal life through Jesus Christ our loving savior. Genesis 3:17-19 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. KJV There is no reason to promote ancient Greek or Roman mythology as the truthful word of God for either the Old or New Testaments. With regard to actual biblical quotes of the New Testament for the Greek word “hades”. Two of the ten usages are seen in Acts chapter 2, verses 27 and 31. From verse 27 we see that this is a quote from Psalms 16:10. Here are the two verses from both the New International and New King James Versions. Acts 2:27 27 because you will not abandon me to the grave (hades), nor will you let your Holy One see decay. NIV Psalms 16:10 10 because you will not abandon me to the grave (sheowl), nor will you let your Holy One see decay. NIV Acts 2:27 27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. NKJV Psalms 16:10 10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. NKJV The above renders the New Testament Greek word “hades” having the same meaning in the bible as the earlier Hebrew Old Testament word “sheowl” or “sheol”. With the Old Testament word “sheowl” or “sheol” meaning “the grave” or “the state of death”. This means the Greek word “hades” when used in the New Testament should also be viewed as “the grave” or “the state of death”. This is seen with the death of Christ. When He died, the Old Testament from Psalms 16:10 and the New Testament from Acts 2:27 using the New International Version says that Jesus Christ will not be abandoned to the grave. Jesus was placed in the Hebrew “sheowl” or Greek “hades” or grave after his death, but was not left there to decay. Jesus Christ was left in his grave (hades) for three days as stated by scriptures (Matthew 12:40, Matthew 27:40, Matthew 27:63, Mark 8:31, Mark 9:31, Mark 10:34, John 2:20-22). Then as we read in the New Testament, for example 1 Corinthians chapter 15, Christ was raised from the dead not from among the living. A primary myth of hell after death is relating death to fire with torment. There were certainly no fires inside of Christ’s tomb while He lay there dead for three days. His grave clothes were not scorched (John 20:6–7) nor did His body show any evidence of burns. The hades where Christ was, was simply "the grave" (or tomb), and that is what hades or sheowl means in the bible.
  6. Mark Sanguinetti

    Plagiarism and Wierwille: Interview with Ralph Dubofsky

    That makes sense that Victor's Wierwille's weird teaching that masturbation was man's original sin with Adam and Eve was taught in the "Christian Family and Sex" class. I vaguely remember him teaching that, but my memory as to where he taught it is not perfect. If he was alive today I would want to nicely and politely correct him on that weird teaching. I would perhaps simply let him know that we all make mistakes.
  7. Mark Sanguinetti

    Plagiarism and Wierwille: Interview with Ralph Dubofsky

    Sorry, but I currently don't have this article on one of my web sites. However, I do still have this article. It was not addressed to the Way International alone. Instead it was addressed to all who say they believe in Jesus Christ. Here are the last two paragraphs of this article.
  8. Mark Sanguinetti

    Plagiarism and Wierwille: Interview with Ralph Dubofsky

    I agree and in the late 1980s right after I left the Way International, I wrote an article which from scriptures showed the problem with the Way Tree leadership structure. The article was titled, "The Lordship of Jesus Christ, Contrasting the Lordship of Imperfect Man".
  9. Mark Sanguinetti

    Plagiarism and Wierwille: Interview with Ralph Dubofsky

    The main problem with Victor's teachings was that the biblical information that he perhaps or likely came up with himself without learning from other people were his worst and most errant teachings.For example his false teaching of the original sin of mankind with Adam and Eve being masturbation as heard in the PFAL class. In contrast his best teachings he learned from other people. This shows us that Victor was not living with enough godly "fruit of the spirit" I am glad that he at least learned from other people. His best book in my view was "Are the Dead Alive Now". It is written with many quoted scriptures in a simple and easy to understand format. Who did he learn this from? Gal 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. KJV
  10. Mark Sanguinetti

    Actual Errors in Genesis

    is anyone here near a Time Tunnel facility where someone can go back in time to see if Adam and Eve are actual historical people? Adam and Eve do at least represent mankind and the original sin with the decay and death of mankind. Also showing that mankind needs God and the savior Jesus Christ in order to have life and have life after death. Or at least that is mankind's hope. Below is a link to an article to consider that seems neutral on this subject. Please wag your tails on this subject. My own figurative language. I am sorry, but I am not literally a dog. But I at least can get most of them to wag their tails,, perhaps while I wag my tail. https://biologos.org/common-questions/human-origins/were-adam-and-eve-historical-figures
  11. Mark Sanguinetti

    Actual Errors in Genesis

    The bible is not a science book. Nor is it always a historical book. The bible is mostly a spiritual book, which teaches and shares the spiritual realm of existence. And regarding spiritual we now see through a glass dimly or sometimes even darkly. We don't always see all the truth of spirituality. Or as 1 Corinthians 13:9-13 points out, we now know only in part.
  12. Mark Sanguinetti

    The Way "Gift Ministries"

    Ephesians 4:11-16 11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head — Christ — 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. NKJV In verse 11 above it lists five services for the edification of the body of Christ that could perhaps be called gift ministries. However, instead of gift ministries it says "work of ministry".
  13. Mark Sanguinetti

    The Myth of Hell

    You would have to read the biblical article in order to see what is said. Here is the first page. There are many biblical quotes in this article comparing them to Greek and Roman mythology.
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    The Myth of Hell

    The Myth of Hell Here is an article that does not promote ancient Greek or Roman mythology and their pagan gods. Instead this article promotes Jesus Christ as the savior of mankind.
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    Severing Family/Church Ties and ....The Destruction of Self

    If the Way limb leaders are followers of Jesus Christ then they should also follow these scriptures. If they do not follow these scriptures then in practical application regarding marriage they are unbelievers. Hopefully as unbelievers they at least know how to wag their tails and not bark only. Friendly loving dogs know how to wag their tails. They should at least learn from dogs. 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. 12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? NIV