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  1. Never heard of it before. So clearly, despite VPW's adulation of Martin Luther, celebrating the nailing of the 95 theses didn't hit VPW's radar. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he'd never heard of Reformation Day (or Reformation Sunday).
  2. Heck, if they were aware, they could use that as justification for plagiarising. All part of the same body, so what belongs to one part belongs to all parts. Therefore, what that person worked out belongs equally to us, and we can pass it off as our own. (I hasten to say I never heard this as an argument by VPW or TWI for plagiarising, but that might be because VPW never acknowledged that he pinched anybody else's work.)
  3. 'Course, all this thread presupposes that A&E existed as individuals and not as types or symbols. And also presupposes that the story is true and not a stylised form of storytelling or moralising.
  4. Actually dispensationalism wasn't Bullinger's baby so much as JN Darby's idea (Darby predates Bullinger by a few decades) - Darby was a cultie too, member of the Exclusive Brethren. And his ideas (including "The Rapture" caught on big time in the USA, not so much in the UK. The UK has an "established church" that didn't give much credence to Darby's ideas, but in newly-growing USA, wow, this new idea gave rise to a lot of fanciful new psalms and doctrines. Anyway, this thread is not about dispensationalism, as WW suggests. It's about ideas of "spiritual death" as taught by TWI. The whole idea seems nonsense to me (it did at the time, but hey, I was trying to take on the "right way of thinking" at the time). God is not some thing that is limited by what we think. God can communicate with human beings (and with other creatures) in whatever way he chooses - by putting ideas into one's heart, mind, by physical signs and wonders, by the awesomeness of the skies around us and by what we see in nature. I don't think that God never communicated with A&E again. Perhaps he could not communicate in the previous way, because by now their minds had become cluttered and doubtful of their own ability to perceive - after all, together they had just made the very first and most monumental f-up. If any one of us had (let's be kind) accidentally or without understanding the consequences done something that had caused the death of hundreds or thousands of people, wouldn't we be a little antsy and confused? Hard to talk to? How much worse for them? Would others still communicate with us? Yes. In the same way? Maybe; maybe not; definitely with a lot more caution, I'd think, and they wouldn't necessarily trust us in another similar situation. We do know that A&E had children after "the fall" and they brought up those children (we know of only two, but likely there would be many more) in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. We know they made offerings to the Lord. One offering was acceptable, the other not - not because of its content but because of the heart behind the giving. How did A&E know how to bring up children? They'd never seen children before, much less know what their special needs were. So who do you suppose taught them, and how?
  5. Twinky

    21st Way Corps

    Ha ha! I score both WC22 and WC21. Was part of both. Probably affiliate more with WC21. Spent all my time at HQ (what a joy) with just the last 8 or 10 weeks at Gunnison (liked that better, children's camps, a lot more freedom and space to breathe).
  6. That's why we should all endeavour to set a good, Christian, example of how to live, both in and out of churchy settings. To "normalise" decent behaviour, as best we can. We cannot model a better way to live, if we are busy condemning someone else's lifestyle or behaviour. In my (voluntary) work as a Street Pastor, I get to hear many stories from people who have had very bad church experiences. Some of the saddest are from the homosexual community. Many of these males have once had a love for God and know much scripture. But they have been exorcised, ostracised, beaten, pummelled with Bible verses, all sorts of stuff, to try to make them renounce their homosexuality. But I have totally shocked some of them by asking, "Did you know that God loves YOU?" This is one message they never heard in church. I don't know or care what you think about homosexuality (and I'm not telling you my views) - the way some of these people have been treated is very far from Christian. All of us can model kind words and attentive listening. Spouses can model a loving and respectful marriage, where each has a voice: who knows how that might impact the abused woman next to you in the line at the supermarket - or even in church? Parents, discipline children in public gently but firmly setting appropriate limits. Who knows, someone who's only beaten their kids into quietness (or more, those beaten kids) might see a better way. Ministers can show that they respect their congregations by being approachable and listening to concerns - and also by being accountable to church governing bodies (in the UK, to the PCC as well as to the bishop). Bosses can treat employees with respect and appreciation for their skills and abilities, and the benefits they bring to the boss's business. That arrogant TWI "I'm the leader so you must do what I say without question" has absolutely NO place in a decent church environment, and even less in daily life.
  7. Is applause in church esp for a sermon a peculiarly American thing? I don't know anybody who would applaud a sermon. Or the music (aka "worship") group. Nor would it be expected. Goodness me, the rest of the congregation would look at you, if you did such a thing. We Brits are very undemonstrative.
  8. Socks, music is a very good way of thinking how something is a "whole," with scope for improvisation and development. Good post!
  9. It's four weeks now and my wrists still haven't hurt. Very thankful. However, my need for healing remains. I have found a new challenge for God (!). On Friday I was working with a very large hedge clipper, big grunty professional model, very long blade, would easily take a finger off. It can also do some lovely delicate shaping. Nice piece of kit. I have had this equipment for a couple of years and have cut many hedges with it. So how come I wasn't paying attention to it on Friday, and somehow managed, in a completely easy section of hedge, to touch this thing against my leg? It's ripped a hole in my jeans leg, and two or three deep gashes in my left leg just over the knee. (First thought: this needs stitches.) I washed it off as best I could under a cold tap, stuck half a dozen bandaids over the wounds, and carried on. Had a shower when I got home and on inspection decided to take myself to Accident & Emergency(great place to be at 10pm on Friday - actually, it was surprisingly quiet, the drunks obviously arrive later). It was inspected, washed again, and bandaged up. My friend who was with me joined me in prayer for healing and no nasty complications. Changed the dressing yesterday. The two biggest wounds are now healing very very well. I feel inclined to leave the dressing off, but that's probably unwise. Dirty jeans, filthy clipper blade, significant risks for introduction of unhealthy bacteria - and I walk away with a bandaid. Very very thankful. Another time, in this same garden, I slipped out of a tree onto the open blade of my long loppers. Stabbed myself in the wrist. The injury is 1" from the tiny veins and nerves in the wrist, again quite deep, but 1" further over could have been catastrophic. Again, big prayers, and now only the slightest silvery scar. I am not a foolish worker, I'm often alone and need to take care of myself. As a former Personal Injury lawyer, I'm perhaps more aware of risks of injury than many might be. But I still make many mistakes, have minor accidents, and need to rest in God's great grace to cover my own stupidity.
  10. I understood your reply, Lifted Up. People have different styles of responding to things they quote. And sometimes the function doesn't work as well as one might expect. It would be fair to say that everyone who gets to, say, 25, has some baggage to "process." Heck, even by 5 years old, some have already waaaay more than their fair share to have to deal with. Unfortunately, TWI burdened anyone with more than a passing acquaintance, with a lot of unnecessary baggage - guilt, fear, intimidation, abandonment by God, sexual mores shot to pieces, family relationships shattered - they took our vulnerabilities and exploited them; they took our strengths and told us we were relying on our own strength not God's (not even on the abilities that God himself may have given us). No wonder many escapees were confused (at best) and terrified (at worst) when getting away from the place. Oh yes. TWI leaders were very good at "confronting" people (what an aggressive term!) and not at all good when it came to being confronted themselves. They thought God was in their every word and action, or so they'd have the minions believe. Most churches would prefer to "come alongside" someone with a difficulty - whether a difficulty caused by lack of knowledge, or a difficulty from their own wilfully inappropriate behaviour of some sort. We are ALL sinners by nature. And we ALL need grace to extinguish our sins. Real grace and loving kindness, I mean. Not pretend grace to match the often pretend anger and the definitely pretend faults.
  11. That's why a lot of us old-timers continue to hang around here - to help newbies. It takes a very long time to fully recover - if one ever does recover - - let's say, till the pain of it becomes less. As time passes, more personal horrors sneak up into the consciousness and have to be dealt with. Stick around - or come back when you're ready, share your latest horror memory. We understand. We know the manipulation and mind-control you were subject to.
  12. We're never going to agree about priestly celibacy or otherwise, Oldies, but I will definitely agree with you about the above. Peace!
  13. Oldies, it's not a variation between RC and Prot interpretations - what I quoted is straight Biblical verses. In English, of course, but I'm afraid I can't show it you in "the original." If one wants to look at traditions and interpretations, then Jewish and rabbinical traditions would be more appropriate. And rabbis are not only expected to be married, but to have lots of children. As were leaders in the early Christian church; re-read Paul's epistles on this topic - expected to be married and have well-raised kids. That's well pre-RC and pre-Prot divisions. In fact, here's the story of Zechariah for you, from Luke 1. It's clear that he and his wife had been trying for years for children and it was only on this occasion that they were successful. In the days of King Herod of Judea, there was a priest of Abijah’s division named Zechariah. His wife was from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 Both were righteous in God’s sight, living without blame† according to all the commands and requirements of the Lord. 7 But they had no children because Elizabeth could not conceive, and both of them were well along in years. 8 When his division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, 9 it happened that he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to enter the sanctuary of the Lord and burn incense. 10 At the hour of incense the whole assembly of the people was praying outside. 11 An angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing to the right of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was terrified and overcome with fear. 13 But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah, because your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will name him John.
  14. Why would "he" have to pay for any abortions? Might he have caused the event requiring the abortion ? Does he mean, he did not want TWI to pay for any more abortions? Would be a first, for TWI to accept responsibility for meeting someone's (?)needs(?). Obviously, from your post, there was no hint of "don't do it because pre-marital sex is not appropriate for unmarried people" or, "God says no, to sex before marriage." (Doubt anyone would have paid him any attention on that, anyway, LOL.) (Not even going to discuss the question of abortion.)
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