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Grace Valerie Claire

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  1. Grace Valerie Claire

    Severing Family/Church Ties and ....The Destruction of Self

    Shift, you believed God, not the S--t you were taught in the PFAL class.
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    Marketing the Wierwille-Mystique

    Taxi, I heard him teach live several times. Trust me, you didn't miss anything.
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    Moving the Word

    Thomas, LMAO!!
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    Athletes of the Spirit Video (from the '80's)

    T-Bone, I thought the whole production was dark. But perhaps that was why I slept through most of it; it was dark, and drealy.
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    Athletes of the Spirit Video (from the '80's)

    Dog, I couldn't believe what garbage AOTS was; I throught it was a huge waste of time, and money. But LCM was very proud of it; I guess he couldn't see how horrible it really was.
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    Grandfathering your pfal plan

    Sky, if I could get back all the money, I spent in TWI, I would have a great retirement fund for my old age. But, I got old too soon, and smart too late.
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    Up, I think it has a relationship to what comes out of a cow; and I don't mean milk.
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    T-Bone, LMAO!!
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    Moving the Word

    Chock, thank God I am not a Mormon; I wouldn't want to be in a cult for the rest of my life.
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    Moving the Word

    Chock, if you move your Bible, from one room to another room, is that moving The Word??
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    Marketing the Wierwille-Mystique

    Rocky, good point! Most of the ministers I have known personally, are/were meek before God. However, VPW was an exception; he throught he was above us mere mortals. I believe some day God will reward us for our actions in this world, good or bad.
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    Nothing New Under the Sun: The first sin of mankind

    Rocky, I think you are right. I think Craig may have been upset, that he was losing his wife-to another woman.
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    Wierwille: The Indoctrinator

    Sky, you are right; splinter groups often do start out, loving and kind. However, after my involvement with TWI, I want nothing to do with any of any of these groups; 10 years of cult life was enough to last me the rest of my life.
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    Severing Family/Church Ties and ....The Destruction of Self

    Sky, you are so right; expectations for the PFAL class did run high; perhaps that is why the class was such a huge disappointment to me. I expected to be able to read, and understand the Bible on my own, and it never happened. One day I realized that the Bible was a very complex book, and I would probably never understand it. That's the day, I finally understood that much of what we were taught in the class, was Dung.
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    Ephesians 4:14 and Wierwille's psychological deception

    Rocky, good point. However, VPW grew up in a very rural area of the country; having grown up in one myself, I wonder if there is any way to prove, or disprove allegations about what happened to VPW as a child. Many things happened in families that outsiders never knew about. What happened in the home, stayed in the home. I don't think we will ever really know what forces drove VPW to be the man he became. I for one, believe that VPW came from dysfunctional family; to me, it "fits like a hand in a glove." However, I do think that your point is good; it would be wonderful if we had concrete information about VPW's family.