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  1. But like Raf, I have no problem with that, believe as you like, only when you're trying to convince me do I require some kind of evidence
  2. I've heard this before, not as religion "A" as opposed to "no God(s)", but as Religion "A"is true because "it makes so much more sense" than religions B, C, D...ad infinitum
  3. When Martindale made that announcement that "The Word Was Over the World", even though I was a good, loyal Waybot, my immediate thought was: "How can this be? It isn't even over my home city of Lincoln, let alone nebraska, let alone THE WORLD". At the time the number of active Way people had shrunk in our area to a couple of anemic Twigs that they laughingly called a branch. If I remember correctly, part of the explanation that the Word was over the world was that there was a Way presence in every region of the world.
  4. Is this another "new" advanced class? What have they been running as the advanced class lately? I got out in 2001 and if I remember correctly they were having various people parrot Martindale's WayA&P class since they couldn't run the Martindale version.
  5. If I remember correctly virtually all occurrences of "love" in the NT are translations of agape and it is used in various contexts, not limited to "the love of God". I remember many teachings where the teacher would come across the word "love" and breathlessly announce "and it's the word agape" as if it were soehow unique
  6. The "1942 Promise" wasn't something I thought a lot about back when I was involved. In fact, I signed up and paid for PFAL without knowing anything about Wierwille. I had attended a few twigs with my cousin, who had a crush on the Twig Leader and was impressed with how the people in the twig had (or at least seemed to have) answers based on the Bible. I had been told that a guy named Wierwille, who was from Ohio, would be the class teacher. I was also told that the class instructor was a guy named Jerry and it would be held in Flushing. So I thought that Jerry Wierwille from Ohio would be teac
  7. I'd just be curious if there was still a Way presence here in Nebraska. When I left in 2001 there was one anemic twig composed mainly of two families. It was considered an "outlying fellowship" of the Kansas City Branch. I officiated at a wedding a few years ago and all the old timers from that twig were there (the groom was the son of a Wayfer) but I didn't want to talk to them
  8. I got involved with The Way Corporation in 1978 in NY - at that time there weren't even any BRANCH leaders who were Corps grads and the Area Leader (over all the branches on Long Island - 8 or 9 branches) was interim Corps. Even though we were still selling Wierwille's plagiarized class and suspect theology, there just weren't enough Way Corps to effectively execute top-down control from HQ; the first big Corps graduating class (6th) had just graduated. So there was at least the illusion of autonomy.
  9. In the late nineties it was changed to: Year 1: Candidate Year - same as what had been Apprentice Year Year 2: Apprentice Year - required to be out as a Way Disciple or on staff Years 3 & 4: In residence at the Colorado location
  10. Pretty interesting stuff. Great context from the journalistic and medical folks. While I do not discount out of hand claims of miraculous events, I am a skeptic and my mind usually scans the horizon for mundane explanations. A believer will often scan for supernatural explanations. And the nature of that supernatural explanation will usually depend on the predetermined mindset. A Christian might interpret a certain event as God's intervention, a new-age type might credit Reiki, a guy I once knew would almost certainly point to aliens! That voice that you think you hear, or that feeling you hav
  11. Great example of Wierwille completely misconstruing, misunderstanding or possibly misrepresenting what Bullinger wrote in order to bolster a completely different position. Bullinger wrote that "idios" meant to "unloose" (or loosen) and the other occurrences of similar words confirms this (context, right?). Bullinger used the example of hounds being loosed upon the game, with the emphasis on loosed, where Wierwille emphasized the "upon the game" part, inventing the part about the dogs being somehow frenzied and wild. After a while both Bullinger and what the Bible actually said were ignored and
  12. Oakspear

    Got a Life!

    "Drive-By Posters"...ah, those were the days! Greasespot Cafe is one of the things that helped me to get a post-TWI life. From the early days, when I was still an innie, venting about various nonsensical Way things, to being an almost daily poster and moderator; commiserating with other posters who were getting divorced from hard-core Way cultists to eventually moving on to other things. I've had the privilege to meet 30 or 35 of you over the years at the Jack Daniels Weinie Roasts, a wedding, my Oakspear 2002 North American Tour and some of you stopping in Lincoln for a cup of coff
  13. Just got involved in The Way Corporation in March 1978
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