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  1. Traveling salesman shifting assignments upon a whim, the agreement of a couple in a back room somewhere far away from any rational scrutiny or common knowledge or voting system like the RnR folks who were marked and avoided suggested. Most of the areas I was in had common characteristics. There were good hearted Christian souls. But pretty much it seemed like about half of the people 50% or so to me were those who had previously been through the Way Corps training, were now Inactive and unhappy. They would target active ones and look for any opportunity to complain or not work with them. Not much possible to do in those situations. That is all fallout due to shifting standards for what they called Way Corps, irrational acts by megalomaniac leaders - I mean the damn most ridiculously stupid thing was reason for many of these people to be dropped from Corps with all of the stigma and bad feelings attached. So a largely unhappy group even of the ones that still are there. And many hanging on to nostalgia for good old days. I just have to say reflecting my choice led me into the Way and God knew my heart and led me out of the Way in His time. And He sees my heart and commitment to Him not some fake damn cult.
  2. Yes probably. At an rate why do I care how many followers the Way has? I don’t hopefully God has a warning sign for them. I think those numbers would not be even in the top 1000 churches in the USA little less worldwide which they claim to be. Carry on tiny dancers.
  3. There's my second wave of PFAL. Goodbye PFAL. Goodbye imitation replacement PFAL. Goodbye imitation replacement cult leaders. That is the only wave a rational person is going to make
  4. It was worse than that. We worked secular jobs that we couldn't focus on to earn money to pay for rent for a large enough home to hold church meetings in. Then on top of that we sent in tithes and offerings from those earnings. All so we could have the privilege to work a fulltime non paid job doing all the leg work so jackasses in high towers can act important and make policy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why 95% of their leadership training graduates have fled for more rational endeavors.
  5. Sky it’s funny I was thinking about this and our training. We were trained product salesmen, no different than traveling around hucking vacuum cleaners or encyclopedias. The parts of our training that helped instill any kind of discipline in me I am thankful for. Of course the overall arching idea of being groomed as a pawn for a selfish hedonists pleasures is the part that is the most difficult to acknowledge for many, some would prefer a seared conscience and false narrative. That part makes me sick. I can actually look at most genuine acts I had during that period as a minister to be outside that framework and pattern rather than perpetuating it.
  6. It is interesting discussing PFAL how research as a topic comes up. Regarding research and the Way I absolutely have to recommend Charlene Edges book Undertow: My Escape From the Fundamentalism and Cult Control of The Way International as fundamental to understanding how VPW and research worked in the history of the Way. True research involves evaluating commentary to get an idea of thought patterns in modern Christianity and evaluating ancient artifacts called critical textualism. Posts like T Bones touch on these areas. The Way has a different idea of research, based on laziness and claiming revelation. They have also abandoned research and dissolved the research department. A president claimed research was not necessary as they already have the present truth, I guess referring to VPWs revelation TBone talks about. As Jesus taught, you know people by their fruit, not external facade.
  7. It is interesting discussing PFAL how research as a topic comes up. Regarding research and the Way I absolutely have to recommend Charlene Edges book Undertow: My Escape From the Fundamentalism and Cult Control of The Way International as fundamental to understanding how VPW and research worked in the history of the Way. True research involves evaluating commentary to get an idea of thought patterns in modern Christianity and evaluating ancient artifacts called critical textualism. Posts like T Bones touch on these areas. The Way has a different idea of research, based on laziness and claiming revelation. They have also abandoned research and dissolved the research department. A president claimed research was not necessary as they already have the present truth, I guess referring to VPWs revelation TBone talks about. As Jesus taught, you know people by their fruit, not external facade.
  8. No more of the adv class categorization of the devil spirit and teaching from the Bible on it. I wonder if the name in the Bible is a copy from other writings it seems out of place as a name.
  9. One interesting point to me on the 12 step and alcoholism. The name Leviathan seems to me like it might be a carryover from other stories. There are older poems like the Epic of Gilgamesh that were retold a lot and sung by bards. these were the days well before Zuckerbergs meta verse lol. Fundamentalism assumes a lot. Like some meaning to a name.
  10. I agree Twinky. Currently the way subscriptions to their music on YouTube is 4.7k. I don’t see anyone other than followers subscribing to that particular brand of vanilla High Country type productions with women in demure costume and men with the clean look. so each director represents influence over a thousand. too many.
  11. It’s a cool show. I guess a little tangential but ok. I see Way leaders believing in themselves and forcing plastic smiles. #2 thru #9 they ignore.
  12. Sky thank you and the community here for excellent content. Not mine of course, but I’m tolerated lol. Yes 100% we are telling the truth and standing firm on truth values and dignity. We have nothing to be ashamed of. They should be ashamed, but they are not. I do not see any godly repentance over the putrid fruit in their lives including impact on others lives. When God knows an individual will never give up their personal power for truth, that person is described as having a conscience seared with a hot iron. The top leaders at the way were trained up in the way of the Pharisee. They function in the way of the Pharisee. They gave up 2 decades of their life performing in the way of the Pharisee. They are not going to magically transform into anything else other than Pharisees. Among their peers there is rite of passage unwritten rules formed by the outcomes of power struggles and excommunication. This is the unwritten law that rules the cult. The Bible is secondary or tertiary at best.
  13. Twinky phenomenal post highlighting the potential spiritual power in the 12 steps and the alignment to scripture and all of the delivering content in avoiding addiction. Of course these programs being man made are flawed exploited and twisted like any other truth based lists. People sure love lists that is for sure lol. Numerology and addiction recovery. Who knew the correlation?
  14. Since our isolated friends seem a bit disconnected from the world, struggling with the strategy and morality to continue on giving their lives to perpetuate an organization founded upon plagiarism and adultery, I thought a recent series might help them out to develop a few missing principles.
  15. But but but but it's a worldwide ministry...... Lol
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