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  1. Traveling salesman shifting assignments upon a whim, the agreement of a couple in a back room somewhere far away from any rational scrutiny or common knowledge or voting system like the RnR folks who were marked and avoided suggested. Most of the areas I was in had common characteristics. There were good hearted Christian souls. But pretty much it seemed like about half of the people 50% or so to me were those who had previously been through the Way Corps training, were now Inactive and unhappy. They would target active ones and look for any opportunity to complain or not work with them. Not much possible to do in those situations. That is all fallout due to shifting standards for what they called Way Corps, irrational acts by megalomaniac leaders - I mean the damn most ridiculously stupid thing was reason for many of these people to be dropped from Corps with all of the stigma and bad feelings attached. So a largely unhappy group even of the ones that still are there. And many hanging on to nostalgia for good old days. I just have to say reflecting my choice led me into the Way and God knew my heart and led me out of the Way in His time. And He sees my heart and commitment to Him not some fake damn cult.
  2. Yes probably. At an rate why do I care how many followers the Way has? I don’t hopefully God has a warning sign for them. I think those numbers would not be even in the top 1000 churches in the USA little less worldwide which they claim to be. Carry on tiny dancers.
  3. There's my second wave of PFAL. Goodbye PFAL. Goodbye imitation replacement PFAL. Goodbye imitation replacement cult leaders. That is the only wave a rational person is going to make
  4. It was worse than that. We worked secular jobs that we couldn't focus on to earn money to pay for rent for a large enough home to hold church meetings in. Then on top of that we sent in tithes and offerings from those earnings. All so we could have the privilege to work a fulltime non paid job doing all the leg work so jackasses in high towers can act important and make policy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why 95% of their leadership training graduates have fled for more rational endeavors.
  5. Sky it’s funny I was thinking about this and our training. We were trained product salesmen, no different than traveling around hucking vacuum cleaners or encyclopedias. The parts of our training that helped instill any kind of discipline in me I am thankful for. Of course the overall arching idea of being groomed as a pawn for a selfish hedonists pleasures is the part that is the most difficult to acknowledge for many, some would prefer a seared conscience and false narrative. That part makes me sick. I can actually look at most genuine acts I had during that period as a minister to be outside that framework and pattern rather than perpetuating it.
  6. It is interesting discussing PFAL how research as a topic comes up. Regarding research and the Way I absolutely have to recommend Charlene Edges book Undertow: My Escape From the Fundamentalism and Cult Control of The Way International as fundamental to understanding how VPW and research worked in the history of the Way. True research involves evaluating commentary to get an idea of thought patterns in modern Christianity and evaluating ancient artifacts called critical textualism. Posts like T Bones touch on these areas. The Way has a different idea of research, based on laziness and claiming revelation. They have also abandoned research and dissolved the research department. A president claimed research was not necessary as they already have the present truth, I guess referring to VPWs revelation TBone talks about. As Jesus taught, you know people by their fruit, not external facade.
  7. It is interesting discussing PFAL how research as a topic comes up. Regarding research and the Way I absolutely have to recommend Charlene Edges book Undertow: My Escape From the Fundamentalism and Cult Control of The Way International as fundamental to understanding how VPW and research worked in the history of the Way. True research involves evaluating commentary to get an idea of thought patterns in modern Christianity and evaluating ancient artifacts called critical textualism. Posts like T Bones touch on these areas. The Way has a different idea of research, based on laziness and claiming revelation. They have also abandoned research and dissolved the research department. A president claimed research was not necessary as they already have the present truth, I guess referring to VPWs revelation TBone talks about. As Jesus taught, you know people by their fruit, not external facade.
  8. No more of the adv class categorization of the devil spirit and teaching from the Bible on it. I wonder if the name in the Bible is a copy from other writings it seems out of place as a name.
  9. One interesting point to me on the 12 step and alcoholism. The name Leviathan seems to me like it might be a carryover from other stories. There are older poems like the Epic of Gilgamesh that were retold a lot and sung by bards. these were the days well before Zuckerbergs meta verse lol. Fundamentalism assumes a lot. Like some meaning to a name.
  10. I agree Twinky. Currently the way subscriptions to their music on YouTube is 4.7k. I don’t see anyone other than followers subscribing to that particular brand of vanilla High Country type productions with women in demure costume and men with the clean look. so each director represents influence over a thousand. too many.
  11. It’s a cool show. I guess a little tangential but ok. I see Way leaders believing in themselves and forcing plastic smiles. #2 thru #9 they ignore.
  12. Sky thank you and the community here for excellent content. Not mine of course, but I’m tolerated lol. Yes 100% we are telling the truth and standing firm on truth values and dignity. We have nothing to be ashamed of. They should be ashamed, but they are not. I do not see any godly repentance over the putrid fruit in their lives including impact on others lives. When God knows an individual will never give up their personal power for truth, that person is described as having a conscience seared with a hot iron. The top leaders at the way were trained up in the way of the Pharisee. They function in the way of the Pharisee. They gave up 2 decades of their life performing in the way of the Pharisee. They are not going to magically transform into anything else other than Pharisees. Among their peers there is rite of passage unwritten rules formed by the outcomes of power struggles and excommunication. This is the unwritten law that rules the cult. The Bible is secondary or tertiary at best.
  13. Twinky phenomenal post highlighting the potential spiritual power in the 12 steps and the alignment to scripture and all of the delivering content in avoiding addiction. Of course these programs being man made are flawed exploited and twisted like any other truth based lists. People sure love lists that is for sure lol. Numerology and addiction recovery. Who knew the correlation?
  14. Since our isolated friends seem a bit disconnected from the world, struggling with the strategy and morality to continue on giving their lives to perpetuate an organization founded upon plagiarism and adultery, I thought a recent series might help them out to develop a few missing principles.
  15. But but but but it's a worldwide ministry...... Lol
  16. The Way due to its inherent narcissism distilled as culture from the founder has never been known to collaborate with others in the Christian community or secular expert community. 12 step has probably done more genuine good for more people throughout its existence than the Way has. Just look at numbers it is a no brainer.
  17. My take is it is a feeler being put out by the victors of the big cheese wars after they marked and avoided the losers of the big cheese wars. They now need littler subservient cheeses to magnify the greatness of their position, do the grunt work, and get them donuts along with their rise and expansion reports. Cults are self perpetuating. That is why you have to leave them and cannot fix them from within. Jesus spoke of the children of the Pharisees being threefold the child of hell of the parents. This is definitely speaking to cult succession not just genealogy.
  18. And to all those reading who really really like nostalgia to the point they would trade anything in their life for that good old feeling, you can probably get old PFAL books on eBay, read them over and over and beg HQ to take you back unsuccessfully. you, know, like mike is doing, our fearless self appointed leader. reminds me of the definition of insanity.
  19. We are. By telling the truth. But by all means continue to derail that truth by calling me desperate and stupid. And turning the attention of all that could be delivered by reading this thread onto you and your dumbass antics. Jackass.
  20. Wow great thread sky and all. Threads like these tie together the history that the Way desperately wants to hide from its followers. A detailed analysis of the people and components involved from mature minds that are no longer 20 - 25 year’s old. The small bit I have to contribute is from the one time I traveled to the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco and had a look around at all the 1960s hippie counter culture history. There were many attractions during this time period including the Grateful Dead house at 710 Ashbury Jerry Garcia’s house. Free love, psychedelics, the Bible were all a major part of the hippie Jesus counterculture movement of the 60s. I believe Doop hung out at a storefront there called The Living Room, which was a lounge area for kids to get together and talk about God and the Bible. Wierwille being slightly older at that time probably developed his leisure suit Larry look during that time trying to fit in as “The Doctor”. Getting these hippies out to the farm, drying them out, teaching them some etiquette (Dorothy Owens) and propping them up as new respectable ordained ministers was Vics methodology. Then shuffle them around enough they don’t have time to form their own Living Room type influence locally, and come up with a lame excuse to collect all the money centrally. But they were too lazy to be able to do that outside the USA. So international Way is 3x the cluster f. In Africa the Way is 100% cultural appropriation Christianity exactly like the paper Vic wrote criticizing foreign missions in his old denomination. No he didn’t do it better when he was in charge. Other areas were strong personalities and did whatever they wanted and kept the money internationally. The money is why international followers splintered off ahead of the USA body of lemmings. USA has just been under the 2 current VP d bags doing RFRs bidding for a couple decades, growing smaller and more disconnected from the world. Now they are free to do whatever they want with the 10 followers left. Their current campaign of returning to the good old days and inviting the youth to a music festival is about as lame as a retirement community leisure suit, which is what they will be wearing there.
  21. My takeaway from all this is where you see the most twisting of the topics on threads, that is probably where the Way is feeling the heat of the truth the most. And fake white knights are motivated to ride in. Yes the Way is looping a pattern from summer schools decades ago. Be the pied piper to the youth, lead them away with your pipes. Don't let any of those possessed old 35 year old adults with mature minds and support systems in. Then lie some more about the past until nobody cares and ride those positions into the sunset.
  22. So to obviate, if Mike is a fake account of a way leader, then he would already have a manipulated position in the way and the story about calling hq and not being let in would be a lie. They would do that. 100%.
  23. Yes it was usurped. Possibly the intent. To direct attention away from johnj and the 3 generation accurate analysis of the way and to act dumb and encourage people to read old materials and go back to the way.
  24. Mike I'll be honest there is very little self awareness or reflection in all of this. No cult sexual manipulation, plagiarism, and shunning are not marble cake that someone bit into the wrong part of. It's too bad you can't relate to the parts of my post that could be of help. In fact much of your response sounds like I am speaking to a pseudo account of someone pretending to be a character. Which would be consistent with you just not quite getting it online here. It's ok. If you are a fake way leader, you can fool me. It's fine. If you are just kind of a guy bumbling along like you pretend to be I wish you the best. Either way rote repetition reading of old way materials won't save you any more than the rosaries we left in the catholic church. And I got rid of my blue book 10 years ago because who needs that to quote them anyway. Any good way follower could teach most of the blue book from memory, right mike? so what should we do mike? Call headquarters like you and be put on a list to be evaluated whether they will let us back in or not?
  25. So IMO that movement may have influenced the method or worship manifestations or what they teach in the INT class regarding order in those. Branham and related groups do the speaking in tongues along with emotional displays, dancing, cartwheels, running up and down the aisles, and bowl haircuts of all oddities. Oh and the no makeup for ladies and demure flower print dresses. I mean for real everything of the day and time had some influence. The spiritual 40 club or whatever funded traveling speakers to come in and steal their research, practical approach, etc. Never for a dual ministry or collaborative ministry purpose, but to steal Pillais writings, or Glenn Clark’s camps idea which they are still failing at btw.
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