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the mark and avoid still comes up in my life, I recognize it more these days, it was drilled into me for so long, it's hard to deal with sometimes, hate it

So the idea is that if specific things come together than things happen. And these things that contribute to the outcome, and the outcome itself, are, or can be known. Some kind of scientific or philosophical formula that is supposed to work. Here this idea is being applied to the human mind. This is the premise of PFAL. And this is why it fails. The defining of free will, and emphasis, is overstated for one. That you can present ideas, factors, thoughts, scripture, truth, lies or other things and get a specific outcome every time. Oh! but wait! if the outcome does not happen than yo

Interesting take on free will or on an attempt to define it. Since it is limited by the comparison.

Well hey mike, I see you are developing? Still the talk twisted walk riddle. If you look in the mirror, left is still left and right is still right. Up is up and down is down. I do hope you could keep a premise for more than a moment.

There are a lot of ideas about Genesis, Adam, Eve, the Serpent, the Tree and trees, the garden and more. I've heard a few and don't and won't jump on any one idea as the one and only. I believe there is more than the traditional Christian ideas. Understandings can change, and not to negating the former but expanding in the present. Anyway, Adam is the Serpent? To apply this with the standard black and white analytical story-line approach, then so is the second Adam. And I've heard that Jesus is the serpent as well. To say something "is" (or was) this or that is too final and limiting for

Yo Wray! You missed the part where John the B baptized everyone, even Jesus. Everyone was all cleaned up! :)

Or maybe another Monty Python movie in the making.

A bit of abstract thought and thinking with some seemingly obscure notes being put together. Not heard much with anything related to the bible. Still, there is plenty of room to play like an artist or musician. If you just started or been at it a while, I say bravo! Wraysed2.

I asked a couple of rhetorical questions, that's all. Doesn't matter anyway. I don't do surveys. If an answer comes out in a post, that is okay, but I could change my mind.

Wow.....and you think you are the one to say anything about anything

Without some kind of threat of some kind of hell, most doctrines will fall apart. The sign on a church billboard down the road from my house says that "Jesus is coming back". Just another threat in my opinion. Based on the destructive non-loving doctrines that teach that Jesus Christ is not here and present, but will come back at some future time. Love, yeah love is one of those concepts that some think that people need to be taught and defined. I don't think so. And what is it to love God? Please don't try to answer that for me or tell me what and how to get it done. Is it love for me to

Scripture is a bottomless pit of hell by itself. The further it's taken the worse it gets. Time after time this has proven to be true. I've proven it to myself after more than 20 years of practicing the bible. As well as others here who have done the same. Clear thinking was replaced by words in a book. We took what we called spirit and demanded it to do our will and called it walking by the spirit. The spirit, Christ, is not a tool to be used, never will be.

no one here is without the spirit to understand, but I'm sure that grammar school battles don't contribute tossing around ideas is encouraging though

Some things are not found in the scriptures till they are found in life. Spiritual things I suppose. There are a lot of "myths" about many subjects, which can add to knowledge about the subjects. I don't know how to change a topic name, I think it can't be done after the first few posts.

The fire of hell, and the fire of love, same fire I think. I do applaud your effort Mark. It could be the myths, plural, of hell.