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Advances the illusion that Wierwille/Martindale/Rosie had a valid and legitimate model for advancing godliness but just somehow made a mistake along the way and didn't know how to right the ship. I don't believe that's what happened either in the beginning or at any time in the course of the cult's history. The social accountability was bass-ackward from the start. The model in the book of Acts seems to have been having leaders be servants of and to the followers. TWI, from the start seemed to make the followers believe that they should treat the "leaders" like gods. That's why every

A fantasy ministry, apparently.

Thanks John. I appreciate that insight.

Good job, John. I realized (as many here at GSC have also) long ago that the PFLAP class was all about focusing the student's world view and biblical understanding on what Wierwille said any of it meant.

Sigh... didn't we all.

May I call you "IR-Reverend?"

Stayed too long, This is a discussion of history. Only the context is politics. I figure if it stays civil, it might not get deleted.

Last spring I read Valarie Kaur's memoir and manifesto of revolutionary love, See No Stranger. It's life changing (in a good way), especially for people emerging from fundamentalist cults.

Thanks T-Bone.

You sure got that right.

That depends on what you mean when you say listening. In one sense they probably are, in the other sense, never in a million years.

Indeed. Thanks for reminding anyone who reads this thread that it certainly does no good to blame those who get infected, especially those who die from covid, for whatever transgression they may think caused those people to lose God's protection. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5:44-46&version=NIV 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love y

And a hopefully Merry New Year all through 2021.

Too early in the day for me.