citygirl99

A couple of questions:

Why do Wayfers feel they have to lie rather than tell the truth?

And why does the Way not believe in the Holy Trinity and that Christ is God?

Does the Way generally support Trump, and all his lies and his continued filling the swamp, even now?

Is she still in?

So is the Way an accredited institution of learning giving out legitimate Bachelor of Arts degrees?  Saw this on LinkedIn in Chandler Greene's account:

The obsession with sex still goes on in New Knoxville.

I saw on LinkedIn the other night that the current director of the Way Corps is Chandler Greene, son of Bill and Marcia Greene. He has a PharmD degree, enabling him to be a pharmacist, yet his current post is Way Corps Director. Just how many people are IN the Way Corps these days? How many were in the last graduating class?

What an incredible waste.

Maybe they have so much money now they don't have to ask anymore.

Yup, you're right. According to a recent 990-T tax return (on the web), they had about $65,000,000 (that's million) in assets at the end of '14. They had no business income (sales, etc.)??? But took a $1,000 deduction even though they had $0 for Charitable contributions.

http://pdfs.citizenaudit.org/2015_01_T/34-4440110_990T_201408.pdf

That's the most bizarre (and funny) thing I've heard in a long time.

Here's how it worked when i was "in".

You gave a REQUIRED "donation" to take the PFAL class. That was just the beginning. There were more classes set up the same way. Lots of them. They made money on those classes but it was a short term deal.

You had to "abundantly share" (over and above the typical 10% tithe that most churches hope for) to stay in good standing. Remaining in good standing was ABSOLUTELY required to be accepted into any advanced classes or training programs. In addition, it was taught that if you didn't give at least a 10% tithe, you would be out of fellowship with God. Martindale even once said that, for anything less than 20%, God wouldn't bother to even "spit in your direction" (sic). I suppose you could say they never literally "asked". It was an UNDERSTOOD requirement.

My personal feeling is that the PFAL class was, among other things, simply a way to get people to commit themselves to giving a large percentage of their income to the organization, pay after pay, month after month, and year after year. But, hey, nobody is using the word "ask" so that changes everything. Gimme a break!

Amirite?

So why do they lie?

I was just told by a current/lifetime Wayster that the Way NEVER asks for money from its followers.

Yeah, why don't we just let this one die. Sure, it's a cult. Always has been. No godly deliverance, just bondage. Whatever,

Amen

You can continue to disbelieve it if you choose. No one can force you to accept that it's true. Fact is, though, "date and switch" was actually quite commonplace, especially whenever and wherever there were quotas to be met. (It wasn't called "date and switch" at the time.) You need not look any farther than the pages of GSC to find firsthand testimony to that effect. I, myself, am a product of it. You say you never personally witnessed it being used. I have no reason to disbelieve your experience.

One thing you should take into consideration is that you only saw a very small part of what took place. Yes, I understand that three *tours of duty*, so to speak, may seem like a lot, but it only represents a tiny fraction of what went on.

In regard to the physical violence you experienced, I'm sorry you were treated that way . No one deserves to have that happen to them. Again, I understand you never personally saw it, but there was plenty of physical violence, along with psychological abuse in The Way. In fact, there are even documented cases of murder (yes, murder) that happened on the W.O.W. field. Additionally, there was a lot of domestic violence, child abuse and sexual abuse that, although not directly sanctioned by The Way, was an indirect product of some of the distorted doctrines and lifestyle promoted by the organization. Wierwille , himself, is known to have drugged and then raped many young women at HQ and other locations. Some have come forth to give their testimony here. One has even written a book that you can read about on the front page of this site.

You may not realize it, but VPW had thug-like bodyguards to insure his safety. One top leader even kept a gun in the teaching podium at HQ in case trouble should erupt during Sunday Night Service. You can read about these things on the front page of this site, also, from firsthand witnesses.

Like yourself, many people are overwhelmed, flabbergasted to learn of these things for the first time. Much of it has been swept under the rug for a very long time. It's a lot to take in all at once. The purpose of GSC is to expose these ugly truths to the light of day for all to see.

Click HERE for "Through The Fog".

Click HERE for "Losing The Way".

Thank you for speaking the truth.

I don't come here that often but I'm just curious just how big the way is now? I heard no one attends the Sunday services. Is that true? Is it still "international"?

If you want to "take me on"........then, wierwille will shred you to pieces. Textbook character assassination is awaiting all those who dissent or assemble an insurrection. The trustees will NOT allow it. The security patrol have eyes and ears everywhere. Even if you conspire off-grounds, when you're on twi property they are WATCHING you. They know the beginning signs of dissent are manifested in thoughts, words and then, actions!!

There are reasons why nearly 475 clergy are NO LONGER WITH TWI.

Cowering thru life is --- NO WAY TO LIVE.

What a wonderful organization -- preying on and using the weak. Sure hoping there's a hell for these guys.

Maybe I'm just not getting it, but how do the sheep tolerate its leader's homosexuality ... not that there's anything wrong with homosexuality.

i want to know when donna martindale and rosalie rivenbark are going to stop living in sin and get married

Yeah ...

"Big Love" .....and not that i think polygamy is ok or anything but on the show the main character played by Bill Paxton showed genuine commitment, concern, support and care for his 3 wives.

Uh, excuse me, Bill Hendrickson just wanted sex and the more partners the merrier. He couldn't commit to just one person. He's sick and his commitment, concern, support and care only existed until he met the waitress.

Polygamy is about men who want sex (nothing wrong with that) but want HIS women to wait in line. Thank god for women's liberation!

Yeah, it's still the usual ... "we're believing", etc. etc. It's kind of nauseating after awhile. Never trusted anyone who's always happy.

ANyone else know of anything similar--was this TWi WIde????

TheHighWay, on May 17 2006, 08:35 AM, said:

Nick Maxson (the organ guy) appears to be a nice guy on the surface but has been a twi sellout as long as I've known him (1983)... trading genuine concern for people for pushing the corporate line. Kudos to his organ-playing... that's quite a skill... but to me he is a candy shell filled with twi crap.

From Nato: That's a perfect description of him and his wife. They were long-time friends of my grandma, worked with her on staff for years. Later when she was dying of cancer, Nick kicked her out of their fellowship and hurt her deeply. I can only guess that it was because he was afraid she would die on his watch and he'd be in trouble. They acted sweet and deeply concerned at her funeral though. I truly hope he has trouble sleeping at night. But I doubt it.

So does the Way give the money it receives from its members to outside charities? I know churches and synagogues give money to charities or set up programs to help the less fortunate in this world. Does the Way?

So you're saying that if you receive money from investments, inheritances, lottery winnings, bonuses, gifts, etc ., they expect you to give them at least 30% of the money? That is incredible!

I'm just curious ... How much are you required to give to them?

I remember the case of the NC doctor who sued the Way for insisting he tithe a large amount of money from a windfall source. Can't remember how that case turned out. But do they even go after inheritances, lottery winnings, bonuses, gifts?

And what is their financial circumstances now, considering the recession?

You're missing an option.

The Way believes that the commandment to "lie not to one another" in Collossians is contained in the church epistles and is addressed solely to "the church". Since they claim to be the "one true church" and everyone outside of their organization is outside of the "household"-- they are under no obligation to tell you the truth.

They are wrong on every point, but that's what they choose to believe.

Thanks for the input. I agree that is probably another good reason. As I'm hearing my "friend" lie, I'm astonished that they do it so assuredly (but not very believably). I know the truth about what she's lying about.

But their lying hurts others dramatically: financially, emotionally, and physically. And most unfortuntely you know you can't trust the person who is lying to you. It's both sad and scary.

What do you think?

Sinclair Lewis’s Elmer Gantry (New York, 1927) is a ferocious satire against Protestant fundamentalist religion in the American Midwest. It tells the story of a hypocritical, corrupt, but very successful preacher named Elmer Gantry. Elmer starts his career as a Baptist and then joins up with a charismatic but equally unprincipled female revivalist preacher. After her death, he joins the Methodist Church. Amoral and relentlessly ambitious, Elmer builds a statewide and national reputation as a fiery preacher who never tires of denouncing vice, while at the same time feeling no need to curb his own vices, particularly adultery. source: www.enotes.com/elmer-gantry

History repeats itself ... now doesn't it ...

Crosses are idolatry? Did Weirwille just try to do things differently so he'd be recognized?

That's a perfect description of him and his wife. They were long-time friends of my grandma, worked with her on staff for years. Later when she was dying of cancer, Nick kicked her out of their fellowship and hurt her deeply. I can only guess that it was because he was afraid she would die on his watch and he'd be in trouble. They acted sweet and deeply concerned at her funeral though. I truly hope he has trouble sleeping at night. But I doubt it.

You described Maxson to a "t".